Do you have a source pls?
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I don't mean to be any type of killjoy but that trial was not placebo-controlled so a blanket number of 80/66% is not quite right.
@Manny Youre right there. Although we can judge by placebo determined by other experiments like Susan shore, and 19dB reduction on average is nothing to sneeze at, it's still no excuse.
Good point about Shore, although I think hers was an awfully small sample size (20 people in total maybe?).
Where'd you get the 19 db number from?
Where'd you get the 19 db number from?
@Manny they mentioned it in their paper.
@threefirefour I would like to see that. Can you provide a link?
Well nvm. I accidently misinterpreted the data. I thought it said 19 points but it was 9. That sucks but it's still clinically significant. They also gaged a noncompliant group as a substitute for Placebo to some extent, but it's small and definitely no substitute.
https://www.neuromoddevices.com/content/1-company/2-clinical-advancement/phase-i-safety-and-feasibility.pdf
https://www.neuromoddevices.com/content/1-company/2-clinical-advancement/phase-i-safety-and-feasibility.pdf
Basically what this means is it's good and probably works, but it's no SS device or uMinn device.
@threefirefour Gotcha, I see where it says MML reduced by a mean 9.7 db.
By the way considering as that paper's from 2016 they might have improved the device/stimuli since then.
By the way considering as that paper's from 2016 they might have improved the device/stimuli since then.
I presently disagree with your comment about it not being as good as Shore or Uni of MN devices. I don't think we have data that tells us one way or another. I mean, do we have clear data on the efficacy of either the Shore or U of MN devices?
Sorry if this data's all out there, my brain is not working RN
@Manny Yeah. The SS paper said they had a 12dB decrease in 4 weeks. idk about uMinn though, but if Kelpie is any indication it's amazing.
Right, I remember that about the Shore thing. I think I also remember once calculating that that db reduction represented an approximately 50% decrease.
As far as U of MN and Kelpie, yeah! But then there was another dude on here who was in that trial and said it did nothing for him. Those both anecdotal tho anyways ofc.
As far as U of MN and Kelpie, yeah! But then there was another dude on here who was in that trial and said it did nothing for him. Those both anecdotal tho anyways ofc.
Yo, I love that you hang around even though your T is "pretty much gone".
BTW Paulmanlike thanks for the lease, aight TFF let's GTFO before Paulmanlike runs out of storage space LMAO JK