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@MisterD Oh and also you may want to join the "UltraQuiet Theraphy" thread, is on this same page of the forum and there are several users talking about doing a DIY approach to it, as the company is a bit in stand by at the moment. That therapy would use an approach similar to Dichonics...

@MisterD As I understand it, I think that is very different from neuromonics as they don't mix the music with the exact, steady tinnitus frequency as that guy did. I've read similar experiences but those must work due to neural plasticity of the auditory cortex, not habituation as neuromonics...

@SoulStation Good to know, at least for the moment I'll focus on learning basic skills with Audacity in case I need it, I'll let the pro stuff for people who know more... Any news about the tests, @Steve ? Would it be useful if I, having probably a very different tinnitus than you, buy a bone...

@SoulStation Are these Audacity plugins or other software? Right now I don't know anything about audio editing, but I could learn if there's need for more people to make tests so we can figure out the exact way to replicate the paper protocol.

@MisterD If what you want is a real sound therapy, there's much better options than neuromonics or trt stuff, those don't lower the volume, they just work with your reaction to it. To really lower the volume, look in this same forum for two options: Acoustic Coordinated Reset (ACRN) if your T...

@Steve If I remember it correctly, the paper I read said they used music transposed to the 10-20 khz range. Maybe sine waves are not so good, or including sound less than 10 khz was counterproductive? What about trying classical music with a broad range of frequencies and transposing it to...

@RoyZ Notched white noise is tested up to 13khz and is supposed to be equally effective in all that range. But there is a formula to calculate the notch and based on what you wrote it seems you made it a bit too wide. This is the whole paper with the data on how the notch is created and the...

@RoyZ By what I've read, ACRN is good in that it can even half the volume, but notched white noise could be better, as it gets to 15db reduction. Most people's tinnitus is in the 10-20db volume range (although if it is high frequency it feels louder because normal everyday noises don't mask...

@jazz As I've always read about RI, you're supposed to get it by listening to white noise for at least 60 seconds at a volume just covering the tinnitus. Then, if it works for you, you'd get about 2-3 seconds of suppression. @RoyZ Have you read about Notched White Noise and Dichonics? These in...

@jazz is right about this, I think. Based in what we know about plasticity of the brain, all the treatments that get volume reduction, like ACRN and notched sound, take about 3 months to get good results, and more time to consolidate them. If we read about neuronal rehabilitation for things...

@Robb Maybe it's useful for you to know that eardrum holes are not always that risky. In the recent years I had otitis in both ears, each with a slight perforation of the eardrum. I had some buzzing those days that later dissapeared. My normal T has been slightly worsening lately, but I suspect...

@Steve As I read twice the paper, there's still something confusing to me... I understand what sine waves are, but I wonder why the researchers concluded this was better done with music. Could it be something about the complexity of the patterns in music? I'd find interesting to try both, music...

@earflappin According to the paper, the stimulus for this therapy is music altered to sound in the 10-20khz range, that is, a whole melody translated to the high frequencies, and would be the same for every person, with the exception that it also states that the music must be "well removed from...

When you say pure tones, it means you tried several frequencies with 90bpm? How many hours of RI did you achieved?

@Steve Great! I think it could be important to check the need for customized stimulus in the case of those with very high frequency tones, as the paper seems to state this as important: Muhlnickel et al. [23] explored the reorganization of the auditory cortex in tinnitus, using...

@Steve Then would you say is still worthy to try to DIY this treatment? I'm quite interested in trying cheap stuff first. If you or other tech-wise people here is not interested, what would you think I'd need to know to do this? Would it be enough with some audio editting basic skills or is this...

Any new answer? As I read is still possible (or was at some point) to get a CD from them, but I wonder if it's possible to replicate the treatment with what we already know, in case there are no CD's left? What would it take?

@object16 I think that, although notched music is a big part of the treatment (it remaps auditory cortex), you're getting results from non-notched music because of another reason. I've read that Enya (and other new age stuff) has a 60 bpm rhythm, and that stimulates alpha brain waves. We...

Interesting, I'll get one of those. Nasal steroids use in my case is because I have a kind of rhinitis which is aggravated by all the usual OTC decongestants (except steroid sprays or oral acetylcistein) so I use that steroid spray instead. My rhinitis doesn't seem to affect my T, but with colds...

@jazz I borrow the idea of steam, I already did it but I guess not that often as you, and I usually started only when mucus make breathing difficult, I'll do it sooner from now on. I don't use potis nor something like that, only regular droplets or those sterilised sea water sprays they sell...

@Savin Abram Magnesium can't hurt, but if your tinnitus is caused by ototoxicity, you'll better want to take NAC supplement, at least 600 day, better if you do 1200mg. It has been used toprotect ears from chemo drugs and others. If you T is recent, what you need is anything that can clear...

I'm all for it! As I understand from the paper, this is another form of lasting RI that works through neuronal plasticity. They say it clearly in the discussion paragraph, that it may over time lead to a "new" neuronal network. Any treatment that can sustain cortical inhibition for long times...

@nima The biggest danger with T and flu (and ALSO colds), besides the chance the virus could attack inner ear, is precisely that mucus can cause otitis. Most of the time antibiotics are unnecesary, as this is caused by virus, and there is a bigger risk of ototoxicity than docs and...

For me they bother my T and also they do an strange "echo": the electronic noise keeps "playing" in my head as if it were a new T sound, and it makes this AFTER the device has been turned off. Luckily, this seems to always go away, and the same happens to others and it goes away too. Also...

The treatment explained in the first part by Dr.Dalton is Dichonics, by what it says it seems that the duration of tinnitus supression does indeed grow thanks to neural plasticity. If I understand it well, it means that the more one uses the treatment, the more time of supression one can...

I've received another reply today. It seems it could help people with "fluctuating" T or more than one sound as they say, and it also seems like they are a bit elusive about the protocols followed.

Any recent news about this? It sounds good, I'm interested in trying Dichonics or something like this till there is a better treatment in the future...

@Steve I've just sent them another mail. I'm more worried to find out if it can be used with "buzzing" sounds (if some kind of matching can be done) and if it can help people with more than one kind of sound, but I also asked about their trial and if it has been done by them or also by...

I had another reply today, it seems that a frequency match is needed for the treatment to work. This seems to complicate things for those of us with different sounds, although I hope something can be done...

I'd say if you don't absolutely need them, is better if you slowly stop them. I know about that for experience, some years ago (while I was already a T sufferer) I took benzos for little more than a month to help with anxiety (for reasons other than T.) Two days after stopping, I got the...

@Street Spirit Alcohol has kind of rebound effect, first it increases GABA, then when the GABA effect starts to fade, there is an increase in the amount of glutamate (which is also what causes hungovers and the reason why symptoms of hungovers are similar to migrains.) Also, take care with...

Well, at least the fact that it doesn't create new permanent tones is good to know, thanks... I'll also ask some audiologist anyway.

@Hattukoira has it happened for a long time? Does the "echo" subsides after a nigh of sleep at most?

I have kind of the same thing, waking up most days in "almost silence", then it growing to electrical buzz later to high pitched electrical noises. Noisy places seem to exacerbate the severity of it, but it happens also if I stay all day at home with low levels of ambient sound. It also has a...

Yep, till now it has always died down, in the worst case sometimes it has stucked for hours after being exposed to a tone for longer periods (as when doing ultrasonic teeth cleaning, even with plugs), but sleep seems to reset it too. Logically I'm searchig for the answer to know if longer...

It's not anxiey, it has happened reliably with everytime I've been exposed to pure tones in certain frequencies, even if I'm relaxed and not worrying. It happens when I try to match my T, or when I used a hearing test app some days ago. There was frequencies that stucked for seconds or minutes...

Based on what I've read in that study, I'd say no. By logic, the RDA is the amount needed in average situations for basic functioning of the body. This is not an average daily situation and you need an excepcionally high antioxidant effect. An RDA dose would just got distributed on all your...

There's a study that explains hearing damage after noise trauma is due to the prolonged action of oxidative damage in the ear in the 7-10 days following said noise trauma, then it explains how the right combination of vitamins A, C, E and magnesium are synergistic to prevent this hearing loss...

No one knows? Should I ask an audiologist maybe?

@Champ that's exactly what I think too! That kind of "habituation" I call it resignation and not only that's not for me, I think that shouldn't be an aim for anyone. Even in the best cases of "real habituation" both neuronal pathways and hearing are screwed and VERY vulnerable. Then tinnitus...

I've just received a mail from them saying Mutebutton will be launched this September in Ireland/UK and soon after in the rest of Europe. They didn't answer my questions about the need for matching frecuency (then being useful just for single tone T) and if duration of improvent increases with...

As I see it, the main obstacle in the funding, public or private, for a cure is precisely the very idea that almost everyone "habituates", so most of tinnitus community settle for that idea and regards it as the best they can ever have. If more people decided that's not good enough and started...

Since about last year or so, I have an issue in my left ear, the "worse" one. I mentioned it in a thread but nobody said anything, so I ask here. Whenever I hear a pure tone in certain frequencies (mostly in the high frequencies), like the tones used for hearing test or to match tinnitus, that...

If I read correctly, you started your therapy after suffering with tinnitus for several years, so it was chronic by then? Did you wear the earplugs for "normal" noise, such as walking on the street? Also, was your tinnitus loud or more of the kind that is heard mostly at home with closed...

I posted this article that explains niacin plays a role in helping to sweep glutamate excess on the brain, maybe that plus the extra gaba it's what explains the effect of Picamilon. Still, from all my research about gaba, the main problem is the long term use of anything that increases it...

Hi, I wanted to try notched white noise and I have some doubts (I made a new thread but posted it at "Support" by mistake, so my apologies to mods and you can delete it.) Has someone tried to notch more than one tinnitus frequency? Is it possible in theory that it could work? Another doubt is...

Looking for sound therapies I found one called "Sound Therapy International", the creator says precisely something among that lines, that auditory tinnitus is related to bent hair cells that are in an "in between" state, and supposedly that therapy "massages" the hair cells with the right...

No, although I'm trying to do conscious jaw relaxation during the day, is more easily achieved if you put the tip of the tongue just behind the upper front teeth, that position leads the articulation to neutral position. But in my case massaging that zone with more than slight pressure seems to...

I have TMJ, recently diagnosed, mostly affecting muscles more than articulation. And also I'm having tinnitus that seems related to trigger points in masticatory and neck muscles (I'm not sure if one of the sounds could be that or hearing loss related, though). I've got to eliminate one of the...

@object16, I'm glad you're improving! I'm having periodontal treatment done, so I told them I have hyperacusis to get them to use the ultrasound cleaner with plenty of rest time, like 20-30 secs on, rest, and so on, and I used earplugs to block some of it. I also made them research for...

That's interesting and I've also read about that study, but the low freq. worked because of residual inhibition and then seems to be temporary (it doesn't reorganise the neuronal pathways in a permanent way.) I think that maybe that guy got his t suppressed because the damage to his hearing...

I'm developing a theory of the reasons behind most kinds of tinnitus, basically is like I'm "connecting the dots", and as I'm not a doctor or a scientist, I'd like to share it just as "food for though" in case some of you could find this interesting. What I'm connecting is the known causes and...

I was the one who was trying this (from generalfuzz site) for one of my tinnitus tones. Well, I was doing it for about 10-15 days, and the reduction (almost supression) didn't sustained over the day, even after more than a week. In the mean time, I've been looking for other causes for that...

Well, I think I got confused about the new matching, my tinnitus got worse after one session with that, and the frequency after all seems to continue being about 1650hz, so I returned to that frequency. I did two more days very well, tinnitus quite silent. Today I woke up with louder tinnitus...

I'm following the "do it yourself" ACR treatment with positive results, but these days I'm realising something. I have two main tonal tinnitus frequencies. The one I'm treating (it gets inaudible with ACR) is about 1650hz, the other is a bit lower, it could be around 900-1000hz. With the use...

I'd like to tell all of you how's been going this first week. I'm listening to the tones at least 4 hours each day, a couple of days I've managed to do 6h. The electrical noises that were quite disturbing the first and second day started to fade away on the third day and since then I mostly...

Thanks @Steve, that's good to know. After reading your experience, those of others in the other ACR thread, and the observations about safety in the original scientific report of the trial, I'm more confident that these additional changes are temporary, so for now I'll go on and I'll report here...

So when you say you had different sounds at first, that means those new sounds dissapeared later as you followed the treatment? Do you have still some electric sounds due to the treatment now that you ended the trial?

I've been following the thread and just started to try ACR with the help of the page created by @generalfuzz, and it's working! (Congrats for your great work!) I have two tones that I want to reduce/eliminate, and I'm starting with the most annoying, a 1650hz frequency on the left ear (I think...