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Yes, you’re right. What I, or anyone frequenting this forum, thinks about Dr. Shore’s device however, has no effect on the outcome anyhow.

I have no faith in this TinnTester. Never heard about it, it sounds like another marketing buzzword. The average reduction in tinnitus was as much as 50%? Then we have read different papers. Anyhow, in regards to the efficacy of the Susan Shore device, I believe in it when I see it. This...

1. The same problem as with all tinnitus studies - the self-report levels, what they call TFI. This relies on too many factors, including psychological. The metrics are hard to define “how do you feel with your tinnitus now?” or “on a scale of 1 to 10, how much does the tinnitus bother you?”...

The bimodal project has been going on for 15 years without any evidence for success.

It became my opinion that bimodal stimulation for tinnitus is a failure, after reading the important parts of the results of the study released not long ago. There were a lot of dropouts from the study, the improvements were meagre and highly prone to bias. Same problems as with the Lenire...

I second this. I’ve had the same experience with Neuromod. I understand now that what they do, is using a lot of the same tricks as magicians and scammers use. Lots of pseudoscience talk. A clinic furnished with medical equipment used to do seemingly valid tests like an audiogram and such. I...

@david c, in my learned opinion, everyone who wants to try Lenire should first take your assessment and hang it on the wall. Those three types of outcomes is what we have seen and experienced. My experience on this website is that there is a certain type of tinnitus sufferer or a phase some go...

Actually, I take the delays with the Shore device as a good sign. It means that they are yet not satisfied with the device and see the importance of continuing work on it, because they don’t want to hurt their patients. Unlike Neuromod who released a treatment solution that in any other medical...

I’ve come to terms with the tinnitus I now have so I’m going to wait and see. I don’t find any reason to be very optimistic regarding Dr. Shore’s device. I’m afraid it is just going to be yet another expensive habituation device without any real positive effect. I’d love to be wrong though, but...

Lenire doesn’t work for anything, except if you want more tinnitus.

I can attest to that.

I think it is prudent to be aware of several things going on with Lenire users. For instance, the list of Lenire users and the results is somewhat dubious considering that an individual who is listed as “better” in the “got better?” column just recently posted a suicidal sort of note.

@Toby1972, good effort with the charts. I did actually write in the user experience thread that my tinnitus got drastically worse due to this “treatment”. What I wrote at that time is probably a bit incoherent due to the great stress and life changing effect of the unmaskable tinnitus I got from...

It is both sad and comical to see how people get very excited over very little, especially now that this thread went from silent to silly mode after the trial results were released. Good to see someone pointing that out. Right now the FX-322 thread is dark comedy. Nothing of substance has been...

Lenire is a well-marketed money grabbing scheme, based on shady science. I am surprised you haven’t figured that out, based on your stock market skills. You should study the Lenire User Experiences thread. It is very informative. Just out of curiosity, what price did they offer you?

Tinnitus is a condition that is impossible to measure objectively. At least for the time being. Hence, in the context of the Lenire experiment, you have to trust what others are reporting on the effect of the treatment. What you write here with the confidence of an all knowing scholar is why...

You should consider yourself lucky. Neuromod has gotten cold feet by now due to several adverse outcomes of their treatment. There are no trustworthy stories of people being cured from tinnitus by using Lenire. Most doesn’t see any change at all. The reason why they will not treat...

"When you seed the lawn, stay off the gras" - overdosing "We believe in the technology" "Additional studies" "People lowered their word recognition score to get into the study" - serious bias introduction "Multiple injection created unfavourable environment in the ear" "Minor adverse events"...

This drug was discussed back in 2013. Looks like the side effects were too severe to continue development. Interesting that it shows up again in 2021. Study of BGG492 in Patients With Chronic Subjective Tinnitus

Hi Markku. I really do appreciate the effort you are making by running this board. You are doing a great job. In regards to Neuromod and Lenire, I think Tinnitus Talk should follow up on them. That’s it.

Yes. But I didn’t know what severe tinnitus was before I tried Lenire. And I got badly hurt. It is a scandal that this fake treatment is still being marketed. Given the marketing and hype Lenire has received on this forum, I expect the owners of Tinnitus Talk to hold the entrepreneurs behind...

Protein rich plasma injections? I recollect that this person underwent treatment entailing intratympanic injections of Platalet-rich plasma. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelet-rich_plasma

Yes I should be able to do that. But as I said, I just skimmed through, there is no news there for anyone subscribing to this thread. I did not buy the paper either. I’d still be happy to translate if anyone is in possession of the body text. The ingress says that there is new hope for...

Adding to the hype, Verdens Gang, Norway’s main newspaper, put tinnitus center of the front page today. The article inside basically discusses FX-322 and Lenire. No mention that the latter is a failure. Positive though, regenerative drugs may very well be the solution. I took a picture of the...

I asked you politely, but you evidently could not explain the post you was referring to. Not surprised, I could not understand it. Looks like quasi intellectual word salad to me. You lose any argument by invoking Hitler. It simply means you have no arguments or are too lazy to present any...

Sorry, I'm at a loss here. Please explain "I think you are linking all Hitler comparisons to genocide and dismissing any authoritarian comparisons on the basis of "no genocide" which no one at all has ever claimed". I don't understand what you are trying to say. Nor could I follow the logical...

I've read Donald Trumps magnificent Twitter feed for over 4 years. I can tell you right here and now, I like his style, brash, but succinct, to the point and no bs. We should have more of his type political leaders in the Western World. Leaders who love their people and country unashamed like...

I tend to agree with you, any leader of a democratic nation must tolerate being criticized. However, the last 4 years Trump has been an object to a hatefest never seen before, in addition to an ongoing coup de etat attempt. That is something different.

"Not wrong to compare Trump's America to the Holocaust." Just this headline is telling of far the US media has gone off the rails. Goes to show how right Trump is calling Washington Post et.al. out for for what they are - fake news. - - It's like, journalist telephoning their friend, the Expert...

At any rate, Reductio ad Hitlerum is a logical fallacy. Germany 1938 is nothing like USA 2020. Your line of argumentation is irrelevant and the comparison you make is false. Hitling, to compare something or someone to Hitler, has been around the internet since the days of IRC. There’s been done...

@DebInAustralia, Thanks, at least I didn't contract trigeminal neuralgia. In regards to Susan Shore's device, I don't think I would use it. I am highly skeptical. Anyhow, it looks like that device will never see the light of day. I perceive the bimodal neurostimulatien treatment to be...

Yes, after someone invents a method to objectively measure tinnitus.

So why on earth aren't there any timings on Lenire? I can't get my head around this...

First and foremost, Lenire is not helpful because the treatment is not tailored to each user, i.e. the reference to settings numbered 1 and 2 such. Neuromod is not being truthful on this. Secondly, there is no signal timing. With the latency induced by the Bluetooth headphones and the cascade...

But you will find no one from the earlier Lenire users saying the same, leaving new updates, praising the efficacy. Why do you think that is?

That is a point of uttermost importance. Habituation, "positive thinking", the need to justify an expensive treatment etc. makes for a perceived lowering of the bothersome aspects of tinnitus even tough the loudness and intrusiveness remains unchanged. At least for sufferers with mild tinnitus...

My first impression is that the results are strangely at odds with the reported results from users on this forum. Something like 85% of the participants of this study saw tangible improvement. I find that hard to believe. At first glance I could not see how the study mitigates the placebo...

At my first appointment at Neuromod, I was told that, in fact, Lenire was a tinnitus management device. I find the post above bordering on being fraudulent. It will certainly reinforce "positivity" and confirmation bias here on Tinnitus Talk. I have yet to see one compelling story about...

Yes, several. And no, permanent worsening is a risk. There was massive hype regarding bimodal neuromodulation but it has turned out to be a well marketed nothing burger. Be advised - confirmation bias is rampant on this message board. Considering the topic, I guess that's only natural. Regarding...

Basically that statement is untrue. I and few others have experienced, in Neuromod's parlance, permanent dis-improvement.

It is not. This is however exactly what Neuromod is banking on. Tinnitus Talk members not willing to read through the thread and applying a great deal of confirmation bias in their choice making.

I decided to go for the downpayment plan. So I paid around 700-800 euros. With 2 more downpayments to make. When I decided to return the device, Neuromod told me that they would not give a refund. They would also harass me for the outstanding money. I haven't heard from them since I returned...

I spoke to Anne Harila earlier this year. She told me that Lucky Laser is discontinued. Take a look at Konftec instead...

That's the mindset scammers in the tinnitus space are banking on. Naive sufferers with recent tinnitus onset looking for a quick fix.

Thanks. Good on you not using the device. I unfortunately got lasting adverse effect from using Lenire.

Lenire looks very scientific and all but it is just a gimmick. Stay away.

Yes I can. According to the studies undertaken at the Universities of Minnesota and Michigan, signal timing was the key element to bimodal stimulation. The Lenire treatment is void of such. The device sputters out a cascade of sound and electric stimulation, with no apparent timing and crude...

Your chances are zero. I'm sorry to say.

As they’ve already done. Advising me, from an office in Dublin, that the worsening I experienced was due to stress from COVID-19. A dastardly way to rationalise the real dangers of their “tinnitus management device”. I would therefore not give much credibility to the results if and when they are...

A more detailed report here - https://investors.otonomy.com/static-files/7422fbf3-e07b-4b71-a398-fb578ab858e1

This just came in - Otonomy Reports Positive Top-Line Results from Phase 1/2 Clinical Trial of OTO-313 in Patients with Tinnitus https://investors.otonomy.com/news-releases/news-release-details/otonomy-reports-positive-top-line-results-phase-12-clinical

I was just off the phone with the director of Neuromod/Lenire. When I asked about why the clinical study results were not yet released, she said the results would be made public in the next 14 days. What's interesting is that customers apparently had great success with the device, and Neuromod...

Yes, the one from the Czech Republic that I mentioned.

I have read several thanks. This thread too.

Regarding LLLT for tinnitus, I know of one, in English, I think it is from Prague. For LLLT in general there are plenty of studies. Remember that medical laser technology came from the Soviet Union back in the day. The treatment did apparently not catch on in English speaking countries. I...

Hi Greg. Those two studies you link to are flawed. The first study is using a 5mW laser which is way below therapeutic threshold. The second study employs a 100 mW device, however the duration is too short.

You'll find a good deal of info here on Tinnitus Talk regarding @JohnAdams's PRP treatment. This procedure is done intratympanically. Several injections through the eardrum over many days. This procedure is very cutting edge. SC21 say they are not doing this kind of treatment because of the...

True. Per pop. You apparently need 2. They sent me the price list as well.

Guys. This is the response I got from SC21. I contacted 4 clinics in total. One here in Norway and one in Thailand did not respond. Swiss Stem Cells did respond but has yet to send a reply to my questions. I sent the request in early April. Currently I am researching a treatment. I started...

I’ve skimmed trough one document, but the caveat regarding TFI sample didn’t jump at me. But I’m sure you put it in. My point is that it is problematic measuring a treatment's efficacy solely via questionnaires of subjects' thoughts and feelings. Anyhow, it looks like you did great work on...