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@RicoS what tVNS device are you using?

nice....really nice!

Funny thing Joe. If I would go out for a night in the club and not wear earplugs it is extremely likely that god wants to "talk" to me for a while. And if I wear earplugs god does not want to "talk" to me. I can do this experiment like a million times and I would bet god would want to talk to me...

Is this topic still active.......:rockingbanana:. Just watch some religious guy get "murder" buy Lawrence Krauss. I can feel the frustration of prof Krauss.

I'm a strong believer in serendipity....so you do not really "need" to know the cause to get a treatment. History is full of inventions/discoveries that where made more or less as an happy accident. Read this artical: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3508154/

You do not listen to white noise in this treatment.....

Well, that is hardly a state that has any real meaning. basically it is a one year old prediction that it could be possible. This is by no means a press release about a commercial release of the product this month. The study is not officially finisched.......just do not jump to...

Any source on that?

Uhm....lets see the results. I support them....about 10 whooping euro's a month....:D. Still would like to see the results.

The sad thing about research, like that of Kilgard with VNS, you might end up being wrong completely. To me that does not equal "money wasted".

No actual results have been released....we have to wait. The resuls from @labrat10687 are dissapointing. But calling the research a bunch of asses that are just filling their pockets is way way over the line.

How do you know that you had the real therapy? This is the bad thing about research....you might just end up being wrong. To bad!

@labrat10687 , that just sucks. I admire you for trying. Any idea when they are going to release the results? Any idea when they are going to tell you if you had the therapy or the sham-therapy?

It has been offline for some reason....it is a shame. Your video seems like a summary of that presentation (I will watch it tonight).

Of course it will influence the MML (or at least we must assume that it will). We know that expensive placebo's are more effective than cheap placebo's. It is safe to assume that sharing results will offset the data. For that reason alone it is wise to not speak about it. So thumbs-up for...

I do....but I think I can't resist asking If you are alive every once in a while....;)

Are you quiet about the study because it is requested of you or is it your own choice?

It is a valid question! But look on the bright side....they show reduction in tinnitus loudness etc etc. They show synchronization changes in parts of the brain related to tinnitus. They show that VNS can drive plastic changes in the brain....all these thins contribute to the statement of Michel...

@snow86 , what is your point? They do not know...! They would like to know.....

Case report April 2015: http://journals.lww.com/otology-neurotology/Fulltext/2015/04000/Placebo_Controlled_Vagus_Nerve_Stimulation_Paired.1.aspx The MML was reduced by 19 dB SL in the right ear (58 to 34 dB SL) and 9 dB SL in the left ear (39 to 30 dB SL) (Fig. 3). Before the sham stimulation...

I would love to hear from them. The trail is ongoing and we must excersize patients....it takes time. I just made a monthly donation. They do not need money because the have treatment. They need money because they are searching for it!

Micheal Kilgard (and his team) is (are) the real deal! I have posted it before: I am considering donating to his research....

They do claim a loudness reduction of 4 dB after 20 day's. To me this does not seem like any other sound therapy with the soul goal to change your attention to tinnitus (or your reaction). I can understand that if you have massive tinnitus you do not like these kind of studies. But....if you...

Very little comment about this study....why?

www.choosemuse.com seems like the same thing (I am wrong, muse is "only" EEG reading, thync seems like some kind of stimulator).

Ok, I misunderstood you there. For me the domino effect is: 15 kHz can only go after 16kHz has gone. 16 can only go if 17 kHz is gone. This is not true for the in normal life. High frequencies just have a higher chance of going first, but it is not required (for a domino effect it is).

High frequency tend to "go" first. But I don't think this is a domino effect. I think those hair cell are prone to damage simply because of their location in the cochlea.

I agree with you. I was trying to say that this is probably why doctors say 8-20 kHz is not important (and they are probably correct if it was only about understanding speech). 1 example. Older people tend to have more difficulty understanding conversations in noisy environments (loss of high...

Evolution is not some kind of road towards lazy mankind (or the perfect human). Nature just try's allot of things and....well, let's see what sticks. Since almost every born child has hearing up to and above 21000 kHz. For that reason allow you could assume that it must have some kind of...

Interesting. One thing I do not like about most tinnitus studies is that they show results in some kind of tinnitus handicap index or something like that. Scientifically probably a nice tool. I would like them to just show minimum masking levels in dB SL (correction, the do in this study, well...

2.5 year is not that old...and the are sill moving along. This old study is the reason this trail is running! A message at one of many tinnitus boards is not really a good benchmark for research results is it...?

http://www.utdallas.edu/~sxv140030/papers/De_Ridder_et_al._2013._Safety_and_efficacy_of_Vagus_Nerve_Stimulation_Paired_with_tones_for_the_treatment_of_tinnitus._A_case_series._Neuromodulation..pdf Actual case studies, with real people and real results! How can you say this is not promising...

How are things?

You are correct. During this thread I have been overstating things to make a point. I will apologize for my rude manners ( I made it personal by calling you a nutcase. I should not have done that). Truly the last thing I will contribute to this topic.

Ofcourse, I forgot. So let's recap: Kind of weird you get send an angel and other people get a gun shot to the head. Seems a little random and harsh....don't you think? These are my last words in this thread. I believe you are a nutcase and need mental help. I truly hope you will be cured of...

For me the fist three months where the most difficult. Hang in there....!

People are know to survive massive trauma's. Like: gunshot wounds to the head, nails in the head, both legs torn of, normally lethal injections, a plane crash, falling from 5 story building etc etc....non of them are jesus.....why?

I am not sure if I want to start laughing or crying. If any of this is true....well were fucked...god must be a very sadistic bitch. just one of many examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidermolysis_bullosa Some christians find my words offensive......you go talk to a kid like that...

We call this proof of: if you make very generic predictions...most of them are bound te be fulfilled sooner or later. btw: there is less war in current days than ever before! Is this the paradox of the bible? I am truly afraid to read this to many time...I might end up in an infinite loop...

And, everybody is free to replicate your experiment and prove or disprove your theory.

We call this proof of: if you make very generic predictions...most of them are bound te be fulfilled sooner or later. btw: there is less war in current days than ever before!

I am overstating of course, but...in a way it is the same....tell a story and only engage those that respond positively. You are almost guaranteed to get a group of people that will do whatever you want. For both situations the final goal is a different, but the mechanism is the same. Story -->...

I am not sure if we should continue our discussion. Maybe to clarify my point. If children are part of some kind of cult we all feel the need to help them. But if they are part of church (equally based upon nothing) we must have respect and let them be. That is not treating people equally...

On the internet we call this practice phishing. Because the people who do not believe do not care if they get criticized by christ. Again, if you do not believe the criticism is meaningless.The end results is: people who criticize christ will move on....and those that do not will keep on...

I am not easily offended...:D My point is: what you define is "IT" in: some people get "IT" can be anything you like it to be. The entire analogie becomes kind of pointless --> it will only reinforce what you already believe.

And what's your point? I think I would take anybody about 10 minutes to rewrite this story so the end conclusion would be: god does not exist. For example: The seeds that fell among the thorns represent those people captured by faith and are scared of/by the dark angles from hell. And...

You need to believe in their ability...otherwise it does not work....:ROFL:

Just a little thought experiment...: just imagine that you were born in a arabic country. Having had the same experience would you be christian or muslim? I would say, probably muslim. So why would you think you are born to the right god? In any religion there are people with an experience like...

Ok, Stanta is about money....God (to me) is about power over people. So is somebody is selling a fake cure for real money, it is normal we get angry. But if fake hope with a fake cure is sold in the name of faith (and not for money, just for power) we should respect the believes of others? How...

Ok, nothing is certain.....but not believing in a god is like not believing in santa clause. We can safely say that it is unlikely that they are real....very unlikely. Just because religion is some kind of socially accepted world wide delusion does not mean I need to treat those poeple any...

Not believing in a god is not also a belief.

Just like fake cures give fake hope. I am not trying to be mean. You are confusing disagreement with "mean" and agreement with "nice". I can understand why this is the case. For those of us with faith it is likely very important in their lives and to those of of that do not it is just plain...

I wish there was a God as well....but from what I see around me and what I experience (or the lack thereof)...It seems very far fetched.

Do you know what the problem is with the discussion of believers and non-believers? spoiler: you think everything you say is about god, faith and the lord important and of some kind of deeper meaning. If I read stuff like the above text I either want: 1. to bang my head against the wall. 2...

I do not think you are trying to get some money of use tinnitus sufferers, but I do think your are "selling" something, and that something is "faith". And if people have faith.....the church has power over them.....slightly more valuable than money. This is not a personal remark, but one...

I'm truly sorry if you think I'm bulling you, that is not my intention! I am als sorry you get bullied allot. If you find strength in your faith, that is perfect! I would say keep on going! I have no problem with people believing in something or anything. Why I decided to react in this topic...

The entire first post is just a snakeoil salesman's talk....just talks about how you can be cured if you believe and just start praying. The entire purpose of that post is to get non believers to believe....and you expect "us non believers" to not speak our mind about this....?! stop using...

A while back an Elf entered my life...I had day long chats with this beautiful creature.....somehow I ended up in a mental institution...how fucked is that. I should have told people it was the lord jesus christ (it was a elf, but I should have lied about it). Instead of being thrown in an...

I think we understand you cannot tell us much about the trail. I would like to see a small sign off life....and give us a bit off an insiders view.....