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Once they have green lit you for the treatment that's basically it for the near future. So they might make you take the hearing test again if you delayed it by years but beyond that you've got basically as much time as you like to decide.

66% was what was taken from the first trial and it's been the Stat they've thus far officially stuck to. 70% I believe was from the leaked slides of the second trial which was summed up by a poster here at some stage so take that with a grain of salt.

This is a question I asked the fitter Ciara. And while she was sure they'd updated the internals of the device and the timings she didn't really know in detail beyond that. I suspect that's a question only the upper echelons of Neuromod will be able to answer properly. Another question I did...

Just back from device pickup. I tried the device for a few minutes to test it, tinnitus was a little elevated after it but quickly returned to normal, I'm pretty sure it's the white noise component that did that as I've found white noise does affect me that way anyway. I will post over in the...

I'm on the 6th at 10:45 also. Maybe they have more than 1 fitter? They did stress that they're open 5 days a week now. So they are able to offer much faster appointments. I'm not sure about same day. You could always call them and ask in advance guess? Since @Josh1994's user review I don't...

I had my first appointment today and this question was addressed. The answer is it's a very mixed bag. Some people will see results very quickly and still maintain them beyond the year long follow up. Some will relapse and need to use Lenire again. And some find that only a regular treatment...

Even if someone didn't suffer greatly it doesn't mean they wouldn't seek treatment though. Assuming it was relatively inexpensive and had a negligible non-responder rate. Case in point: Here I am a relatively mild sufferer about to try an expensive treatment with a non negligible response rate...

Now you're just being blatantly dishonest. Who in this thread said that he was responding? He's a non responder regrettably. Not only are you making strawmen now Glenn, you are inventing the whole f***ing corn field. Depends on what you expect. If you're expecting life changing dramatic results...

I do prefer to respond as I know from experience there's actually a large silent cohort of unregistered viewing these threads. If rampant unwarranted scaremongering and negativity is allowed to dominate many potential sufferers could be put off a treatment that may provide relief. The balance...

I meant your problem as opposed to Neuromod's... :confused:. Almost every post you make demonstrates an unwillingness to actually take the words being used in the experience thread at face value. It may be their own subjective experience but the words in black and white on a page are not a...

So you disagree with taking Lenire User Experience posters at face value? Good to know. Your entire problem boils down to this. And to be clear , it is your problem. You're expecting too much. How exactly would you like 15 THI points of improvement to be expressed on a person with a baseline of...

I'm struggling to think if there's a way to say this that will make you understand. It doesn't cut the mustard for you. No-one else is obliged to use your standards. How about we just take a users word for it eh? If a Lenire User says they have improved we count them as an improver? And the same...

I mean I don't think there's much in that response to be taken negatively. They say that the researchers are highly regarded and that the approach is likely the best current one. The only thing to do is separate the 40% either from the published stats (whenever they are).

I'm pretty sure they don't exclude people who's tinnitus fluctuates. I haven't seen that mentioned and at least a few of the users currently going through treatment mention their tinnitus fluctuates. Sounds like yours is definitely worse than mine. I'm quite mild. So I always get a good...

Much like @El BUZZ, ever since my appointment confirmation, confusingly, my tinnitus has been extremely well behaved. Almost as if it knows high noon is coming and is sneakily trying to dissuade me from spending my 2k. I'd normally have about a 50/50 split of good/bad days. So having nearly a...

Last September. I'm aware people have registered earlier than that and been given later appointments. Not sure whether that means they're prioritising Irish nationals or if I just rolled lucky on a cancellation or something. I looked at the confirmation text they sent earlier and it seems like...

The call is a bit of a blur for me because I really wasn't expecting it. But I think the lady on the phone mentioned three days a week. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I could be wrong on that. Maybe Tuesday, Thursday, Friday? I'm actually Irish and I live near enough to Lucan which is a cyclable...

Just got a call from Neuromod for an appointment at the start of February. I really didn't think it would be happening this fast honestly.

This is all just you holding Lenire to your own personal standard and nothing more. None of the rest of this forum are obliged to follow this to avoid "comitting crimes" or "being wrong on the internet". And neither are Neuromod in order for their figures to be accurate. This may have been true...

Yeah so as I've said before. Neither I, nor anyone else, is obliged to use Glenn's non placebo certification. Thankfully. (That includes Neuromod). So your entire point is moot. I've already corrected you on this but you chose to ignore it.

I'm sure you mean me but I wouldn't actually say this. So you can keep your famous strawmen to yourself. What I would say is that you were expecting the stats to mean more (lifechanging events) than they actually do. And you've been caught saying as much not but a few posts ago.

Cool cool. I was waiting for you to declare yourself the winner of the Lenire discussion again, seems we're improving eh? The point isn't if it's a pill or not. The point is that it's a medical device. A device that comes at a heavy time and monetary investment. It simply isn't nor should it...

It's the same as any other prescribed medicine. Any doctor worth their salt won't prescribe a medicine they know isn't likely to help just at the whim of a patient, even if the side effects are minimal or benign. Most especially in this case as the monetary and time involvements are heavy.

Dude. I actually think you shouldn't do this treatment if this is the case. You can't be putting your eggs in one basket like this. There's always the chance that the treatment won't work, remember? Or you'll only respond mildly. I really think you should talk to a counselor to get your head...

@Lurius Could you not talk to your general practitioner and ask about lowering your dosage further or tapering off for the duration of Lenire treatment? Yes you could probably fool Neuromod and tell them you're not taking anything. I'd be much more worried about spending 2000 euros and the...

We're perceiving the user reports as the users themselves perceive them. If a user feels like they got some improvement thent that's really all there is to it.

You're contradicting yourself Glenn. Every time someone brings up the point that we think the skeptics were expecting miraculous changes in 60-70% of people you accuse people of building strawmen. Yet here you are plain as day. Written in ink. Clearly expecting miraculous results from the...

I'm fine with you saying whatever you want about my biases. I don't think doesn't correlate to reality at all but so be it. You still have that quote of mine in your back pocket I'm assuming? Maybe have a look at it again? As @threefirefour says we now have a swing in the responder stats. Even...

I was about to type a longer reply but I don't think I need to. Most of the points have been dealt with in this post. Just highlighting this part for particular lols. It takes some kind of cognitive dissonance to dismiss the positive user experiences under their own placebo criteria and in the...

It isn't Neuromod's fault that they don't have the capital to open up 500 clinics worldwide nor the manpower to train people for those locations. Nor is it their fault that people choose to travel for it. Honestly now. Neuromod could have taken a completely different tactic and only accepted...

As someone who also suffers mildly from a sub-type of arthritis I can tell you I'd much rather have my enthesitis in my forearm than in my IT band (I've had both). The level of pain is roughly the same but only one of them bothers me more due to how I sleep and cycle for exercise. We're now in...

At some stage in the recent podcast Ross O'Neill explains they do this for a couple of reasons. For anyone who has had tinnitus a shorter time (weeks/months) it adds more certainty that their condition has become chronic. As the chances that someone will spontaneously remit grow weaker with...

Nothing that you say here in any way contradicts what I wrote? I can think of any number of reasons. The problem only comes when everyone assumes that Neuromod are not submitting it for some nefarious reason under the guise of "asking questions". The simple answer is we don't know. Speculating...

They're a tiny company of a few handfuls of individuals. The very last thing on their minds will be pandering to a vocal minority of message board whiners. Yup this one is explained in the phrase itself. Peer review. Reviews done by Neuromod's peers. Not Neuromod themselves. Neuromod aren't in...

Yes. Thanks for your concern. I do understand what you're saying Glenn. And to a degree I'm in the same boat. In the same vein my mild/moderate comes from my good/bad days. Where a good day is a notch below ambient and a bad one a notch above, with regular random spikes thrown in to boot. But...

THI is a measure of perceived reduction/improvement though. That people on here expect that to be in loudness levels and not THI is not Neuromod's failing. Don't get me wrong. I'm with you. If I use Lenire and my THI improves, I'd obviously prefer that to be expressed in loudness levels. As for...

This is basically it I feel. But the key point to make is that Neuromod only ever claimed their results based on THI. Not on loudness reduction. Sure enough that will be the reason for many peoples THI reduction. But not all. It seems however the general negative vibe here is that unless...

This is most certainly not the case. THI is not linked to loudness. It's a very personal metric. You can see examples of it in real life and on these boards. My friend whose tinnitus is self reportedly louder than the ambience in a nightclub isn't bothered by his tinnitus at all and thinks I...

Lenire's effectiveness in the trials was primarily measured in THI. Tinnitus Handicap Inventory. You're viewing this as though THI is a measure of loudness. It isn't. It's about percentages. You can't really dispute it from that point of view. 10 THI points is a 10% improvement for someone at...

You entire point hinges on your definition of placebo. It simply isn't up to you to decide that level fortunately.

This question is dealt with in the recent Q&A. The community defines the difference between placebo and effective treatment. Neuromod are only going by these guidelines. True. I got that detail wrong, I mistakenly thought it was 150. The point I was making still holds though, my mistake not...

It's not a theory. It's in the numbers. A 15-20 THI improvement is going to feel like a lot to someone in the 30-50 THI range. A 15-20 THI improvement is going to feel like relatively little improvement to someone with a THI above 100. We've known for a while now that Lenire doesn't scale with...

It's the Neuromod shills John. It's a big consipiracy. We're all out to get you! ;)

This poster is not finished his treatment yet. It never ceases to amaze me the level at which people go to find the negatives in these posts. The user is not finished his treatment. He's only halfway through. And in the same breath @TinMan2019 mentions that there was a user whom he met in the...

And a removal of his spikes to boot. Which isn't the first time we've heard this kind of feedback from a Lenire user. But sure, no need to let a little thing like facts get in the way of some good ol fashioned scaremongering.

No. Anything else I can help with? I'm here for you. :)

The company has the exact stats on their website and you can watch the interview. Front and center. The only reason to be hyped is because its the first treatment going that actually affects tinnitus itself. Any expectations beyond that is wishful thinking. Pure guess work and conjecture...

Fine if you didn't say it. But then to the data. The data isn't encouraging, in the same way that a failure in a sample size of 1 isn't encouraging either. But you can't use it to draw any conclusions. Don't assume on my behalf thanks. I said it in my previous post on this. If we get into the...

Rather than presuming what my reaction would be you could try actually make a case? One good case for why we should write something off despite the minuscule sample size. I'm all ears.

Depends on what the hype was and who was creating it. It wasn't Neuromod. They've only ever gone by their statistics. It is too early to tell whether the real world cases bear them out. LOL. Is it really that hard to understand? The sample size so far is negligent. This is exactly why trials...

Goodness almighty. It really doesn't take much for the hysteria to start, does it? Guys WAIT. Have some patience. Wait until we have 30, 40, 50 reviews before throwing in the towel. Less than a handful of reviews past the 12 week mark and people are losing their minds. If we get well into the...

Don't pretend you and your skeptical cohort weren't doing the exact same (in the other direction) with @Redknight and some of the newer sufferers who have seen good results. Double standards if ever I've seen it.

It isn't. I believe they use it as a way to get their products into the featured sections. To be clear I wouldn't have actually complied with their "Give us your thoughts (hint hint) Good review (hint hint)". I normally give bad reviews for stuff that doesn't work well. It's an excellent way of...

Indeed even I received some free Smart Plugs from a company on Amazon in exchange for good reviews on the platform, so I'm aware of the practise. But there hasn't been a single person from any of the trials or anyone on here who has even hinted that this might be the case at Neuromod. So I don't...

Unfortunately due to the nature of tinnitus (it being an invisible condition and no reliable tests existing), anecdotes are all we're going to get. Lots and lots of anecdotes. Which is kind of what we have from the trial data. And what we're currently getting from the user experiences. Oh money...

What he means is there isn't one (that we currently know about). There's a TENT-A1 and a TENT-A2. And it could be argued that Neuromod released Lenire somewhat early and the people who are now using it are engaged in a kind of pseudo TENT-A3. And Neuromod are gathering trial data from the field...

I don't remember it. If it was said it'll be in the interview video. I'd guess just THI because although we can kind of measure volume, different volumes will affect different people more than others. My relatively mild tinnitus (just a notch above ambient noise most times) bothers me more than...

Just to further clarify on this. What they really meant by "clinically significant" was that they could realistically attribute these changes to the Lenire device. Not that these changes were in any way life altering. As I can imagine 7 points on the THI scale wouldn't translate to huge concrete...

I honestly think some people were secretly expecting a tide of Lenire users reporting enormous and life changing improvements. And now we're experiencing that fallout. But it was never going to be that. 66% of people experience some moderate level of improvement, and something like 30-40% are...

Draw some inspirations from your own words Glenn. It is too early to draw ANY conclusions. But half of this forum seems to have made their mind up already. Demonstrably untrue: I mean these words are just a click away in the experience thread. And none of the above users have finished...