14 Years In — Feeling Like Day One & Dark Places Due to Major Spike

frischky

Member
Author
Feb 24, 2015
71
Tinnitus Since
06/2004
Cause of Tinnitus
Acoustic Trauma
Well, not sure what to say... I've had tinnitus for 14 years, for the first 2 years very high pitched and intrusive.... but either it settled or I managed to habituate to it.

My journey since then has been largely positive, not without the occasional bad spike or days of anxiety, but generally okay. I've been on light dosages of Clonazepam and Remeron that whole time... and I can say they have definitely helped me on this journey not of my own choosing. Also I take NAC daily, anywhere from 1200-1800mg, the higher dose when I have spiked.

In those years I became an avid traveler, seeing probably 50 countries... some of them not the quietest of places, but I managed, protecting my hearing as needed.

Last week, I attended the inaugural meeting of my Town Council... whom I had a big part in helping elect (or so they are telling me). Initially I stayed away from the main ceremony as I had just overcome a spike from a previous meeting where there was lots of clapping.

But I attended the "reception" after... and therein lay my mistake. I spent about the better part of an hour or so in a small conference room with about 25-30 people all talking. I had earplugs in my pocket, but for one of the reason or another, they stayed there. I took the occasional 5 minute break from the room but always kept going back to where "the action was". Even my friend, the new Mayor said at one point "is it too loud for you" and I said yes, so we took the conversation outside.

How loud it was, I don't know... 75-85 dB maybe? Had to raise a voice a bit to talk to my neighbour, and there was of course the usual loud "drunken" laughter from a few. No music, just lots of people in a small room.

Needless to say... my tinnitus spiked majorly the next day (the day of the reception it had been very very low), so I dosed myself with some prednisone (20mg the morning after, 20mg the next, 15, 10, 5... now off). The day after the initial spike, my T went really low... but was back with a vengeance the next day and has refused to settle since... seemingly getting worse.

I'm sleeping a lot... 10-12 hours and waking up back to the level of tinnitus where I was 14 years ago is becoming too much. I feel sometimes it is taking me back to those dark places, and my plans of going away at the end of the month (nothing booked) are essentially unreachable... last thing I want to do is ride on a plane for 15 hours and make it even worse, if it does not settle. Even if things did not get worse, if they don't get better... than the quality of doing what I love, will not be there.

Maybe I am spending too much time in quiet places for this to "heal"... but then again, I am feeling everything else is too loud. In some ways, I just feel... this is the end of the road, I've lived a pretty good life up to this point...not that I would think of doing anything drastic, but if I was struck down today... I would feel like I made the best of things as I could.

But really, I just feel like an idiot... I protect my hearing with plugs/muffs when I probably should not have and failed to do so when I should have. I am truly my own worst enemy.
 
Maybe I am spending too much time in quiet places for this to "heal"...
No, spending too much time in quiet places is NOT the cause of your problems.
I protect my hearing with plugs/muffs when I probably should not have and failed to do so when I should have.
The damage is cumulative. It sounds like you have been taking risks for years. When one begins hitting a wall with a hammer, it might take a very long time to get to see the objects on the other side of the wall. I am not sure that it was worth visiting loud places, even if you used hearing protection. Why take the risk, when you don't have to?!

In any case, my longest temporary spike lasted for over three months. You will need to wait months before you can worry about your latest spike being permanent. If it settles, I hope you will learn from your own mistakes - you will stop worrying about overprotecting your ears and begin worrying about underprotecting your ears.
 
The damage is cumulative. It sounds like you have been taking risks for years. When one begins hitting a wall with a hammer, it might take a very long time to get to see the objects on the other side of the wall. I am not sure that it was worth visiting loud places, even if you used hearing protection. Why take the risk, when you don't have to?!

Yeah you are right. Not so much as going to loud venues... but I mean, certain countries/cities are just plain loud. Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. I generally protect myself if going out in the street. Probably why Japan remains my favourite country, by contrast to most countries in the world... it's very quiet.

If it settles, I hope you will learn from your own mistakes - you will stop worrying about overprotecting your ears and begin worrying about underprotecting your ears.

Indeed. Need to think ahead... the "earplugs in pocket" don't do much. If I anticipate a loud situation, maybe I just need to hold my earplug case in my hand, and realize I must do something with them. I'd rather deal with the odd look of what's in my ear than a spike that may or may not go away.
 
Probably why Japan remains my favourite country, by contrast to most countries in the world... it's very quiet.
During my trip to Japan, my camera died and I had to go to their electronics store to buy a camera. It was the loudest/craziest place I had ever been to (I was there years before I got T). In addition to the loud music, there were dozens of salespeople shouting and screaming (I guess they were informing the customers about some promotions). I wasn't paying attention to noise levels back then. So this memory made me think that Japan might be loud. It is good to know that as long as one stays out of their stores, one can find quiet places to enjoy in Japan.
If I anticipate a loud situation, maybe I just need to hold my earplug case in my hand
My policy is to avoid loud situations if I can do so. Otherwise, I wear the maximum ear protection (Peltor muffs + earplugs). I put that ear protection on before it gets loud.
I'd rather deal with the odd look of what's in my ear than a spike that may or may not go away.
I learned the hard way to stop caring about what strangers think about me, and start caring about ensuring that I don't make my body uninhabitable.

When I get these spikes, of course it is natural to worry about having to listen to that sound for the rest of one's life. But given how T normally behaves, it makes sense to assume that the sound one will be stuck with will be different from the sound one hears at the onset of a spike. Tell yourself that you have several difficult months ahead of you, but that eventually you will get to feel better. Focus on riding it out, don't think about the long run.
 
I think 75-80 might be a little high? I was at a christmas banquet last night. My sound meter recorded 60 in a room of 100 people and a christmas band...
 
Sometimes I wonder if a dB number is the only thing we should be concerned about. I think crowds and loud talking in small spaces with bad acoustics bothers me about as bad as anything.

We occasionally end up at this small eatery where it is like this. Sometimes this place gets full, then gets loud, maybe not the 75-85 dB mentioned above, but it makes my T spike badly at least until the next morning. I have left with a headache several times. I wouldn't go back, but its a thing my wife and some friends like to do. I just cross my fingers for no crowd.
 
During my trip to Japan, my camera died and I had to go to their electronics store to buy a camera. It was the loudest/craziest place I had ever been to

You are quite right about the camera stores. Thats why if I have to go I tend to go during off-peak hours, or just bypass that ground floor entirely, unless of course what I need is on that floor.

I learned the hard way to stop caring about what strangers think about me, and start caring about ensuring that I don't make my body uninhabitable.

You are quite right about that. If it is really loud, I tend to double protect myself... not caring what people think. It's strange that I don't care what strangers think, but those I know (who know about my T) and when I am around them I am less inclined to put my plugs in.

Tell yourself that you have several difficult months ahead of you, but that eventually you will get to feel better. Focus on riding it out, don't think about the long run.

Yes, thank you... I am trying. It is difficult but I am trying. I just wish I could travel, while it may not solve my problems... a change of scenery is always welcome. But the Catch-22 is getting there without a loud plane ride.
 
I think 75-80 might be a little high? I was at a christmas banquet last night. My sound meter recorded 60 in a room of 100 people and a christmas band...

You are probably right... it probably was less. Wish I had installed and calibrated my sound level app (compared to my professional SPL meter)... if I had some real numbers, perhaps it could have put my my mind at a better ease.
 
You are probably right... it probably was less. Wish I had installed and calibrated my sound level app (compared to my professional SPL meter)... if I had some real numbers, perhaps it could have put my my mind at a better ease.
If it is under 60...it should be ok, your spike could also be influenced by stress and anxiety as well.
 
the Catch-22 is getting there without a loud plane ride.
Turboprop planes (that have propellers) are loud. Jet planes (and especially Airbus planes) are not bad at all. When I wear earplugs underneath Bose 25 noise cancelling headphones on Boeing planes, the noise level is acceptable, and Airbus planes are even quieter.
 
If it is under 60...it should be ok, your spike could also be influenced by stress and anxiety as well.

Thanks. I have a feeling it definitely was over 60... maybe closer to 70 might be the right number (based on decibel charts). But my anxiety/stress are definitely playing into it... can't think of why Day 1 I was spiking hard, Day 2 it was really quiet, then Day 3 and since it's been spiking hard. But then again if I was taking some low dose of Prednisone, and that can make things go either way.
 
Turboprop planes (that have propellers) are loud. Jet planes (and especially Airbus planes) are not bad at all. When I wear earplugs underneath Bose 25 noise cancelling headphones on Boeing planes, the noise level is acceptable, and Airbus planes are even quieter.

Yes, I always wear protection on planes... even on A380 which is notoriously quiet (esp in the lower back). Have only been on two turbo-props (old Dash 8's in Malaysia) and made sure I sat right at the back (this is where some airlines with these planes have their first class... for a good reason).

But agree 100%... Airbus are always quieter, except maybe A310 or older.

Actually the worst part of air travel for me, is not so much the flight itself (as long as the plane is reasonably quiet)... but if you have to embark/disembark on the tarmac. The whining of the APU and the ground service equipment is 100x worse than any cabin noise (even wearing protection).
 
Have only been on two turbo-props (old Dash 8's in Malaysia) and made sure I sat right at the back (this is where some airlines with these planes have their first class... for a good reason).
I had no idea!!!! I know that the first row on those planes is very close to the propeller, but I read that it is important to be in front of the engine (although this was a general advice, for all planes). I never had a chance to walk around those planes to compare the volume in different parts of the plane. Are you sure that the back rows are quieter than the first row?
 
I had no idea!!!! I know that the first row on those planes is very close to the propeller, but I read that it is important to be in front of the engine (although this was a general advice, for all planes). I never had a chance to walk around those planes to compare the volume in different parts of the plane. Are you sure that the back rows are quieter than the first row?

At least on the Dash 8 (which is the precursor to the current Q400 turboprops), I can remember sitting more or less in line in front of the prop (pre-T days) and remembering how noisy it was. I was hesitant about the Dash 8 (once I had T), but I found the back no problem at all (wearing passive isolation audio beadphones). I think it is this way as the propulsion on a turboprop is pulling (turbulence occurs at front of engine)... whereas in a jet the compression and thrust result in a push, so the exhaust is where the majority of the noise emits from.
 
At least on the Dash 8 (which is the precursor to the current Q400 turboprops), I can remember sitting more or less in line in front of the prop (pre-T days) and remembering how noisy it was. I was hesitant about the Dash 8 (once I had T), but I found the back no problem at all (wearing passive isolation audio beadphones). I think it is this way as the propulsion on a turboprop is pulling (turbulence occurs at front of engine)... whereas in a jet the compression and thrust result in a push, so the exhaust is where the majority of the noise emits from.
Thank you so much for letting me know. I have to fly on Dash 8 relatively frequently, and earlier this year I paid extra to be in row 1. The next time I fly, I will try sitting in the last row.
 

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