A Car Accident (After HBOT)

[Chris Holland]

@Jiri

I have the high pitch squeal in both ears and still believe I can habituate.
The sound is not the issue, it's the emotional response to the sound. Not saying that the sound is pleasant ... at all.

The Trobalt is interesting but it's a single study conducted on mice and the author of the thread is the only one that has tried it on here and I can't find any other testimonials on it anywhere on the web ... It might be worth trying but it's still pretty much a shot in the dark, can't lie that I considered asking my GP for it when I found that thread though ...

The research by Dr. Shore I'm a bit more skeptical about because it seems very similar to acoustic neuromodulation which has been proven not to work only with additional shock therapy. They also say patients symptoms returned after a few weeks and it is only for somatic Tinnitus, which I don't have ... so yeah, I'm not getting my hopen up for that one.

Man I really wish there was something out there that would just cure it/stop it but there just is not. Only proven method is habituation. I don't want to wait to start that process any longer than nescescary waiting on a miracle drug that might never come ...

 

[Chris Holland]

@Jiri

It's messages like this that give me hope:
http://www.howsyourhearing.org/AudiologyToday/ATWilliamShatner.html

''He, too, has tinnitus, and he joked that he never hears it unless he talks about it, and of course now he talks about it 12 hours a day. Dr. Jasterboff talks a lot about the "cycle of fear," with the fear increasing, like chronic pain. In turn, it increases the awareness sensitivity to the sound, so it sounds like it is getting louder. After three months of hearing a sound that was somewhat louder than my tinnitus, I began to lose my fear of it, and I realized that I wasn't going to go down. I realized that I could still sleep that was another big thing: "will I be able to sleep, will I be able to perform my work?" I began to understand that I would be able to go on and the habituation techniques helped considerably. When I put the aids aside, I gradually became accustomed to the condition over the years. Initially, on that test they give you where it says what percentage does tinnitus affect you, I put down 95 percent it's my whole life. It was at the time, and now it is negligible, I don't hear it unless I'm talking about it.''

This is something I have heard from quite a few people in my surroundings with tinnitus as well.
Obviously most of these people do not hang out on forums like this ...

 

[Chris Holland]

he Trobalt is interesting but it's a single study conducted on mice and the author of the thread is the only one that has tried it on here and I can't find any other testimonials on it anywhere on the web ... It might be worth trying but it's still pretty much a shot in the dark, can't lie that I considered asking my GP for it when I found that thread though ...

Correction on that, I see that a few others have tried as well but have also noted significant side effects and loss of efficacy after discontinuing the drug, @Danny Boy being one of them. The research done on the Autifony drug (which supposedly targets the same potassium channels as the Trobalt) during the phase 1 trial concluded: http://www.evaluategroup.com/Universal/View.aspx?type=Story&id=640956

 

[GregCA]

The research by Dr. Shore I'm a bit more skeptical about because it seems very similar to acoustic neuromodulation which has been proven not to work only with additional shock therapy.

It's quite different from acoustic neuromodulation. The shock therapy and its timing is key to get the appropriate plasticity response. Read her research to understand why (or watch her presentation on YT).

 

[Chris Holland]

It's quite different from acoustic neuromodulation. The shock therapy and its timing is key to get the appropriate plasticity response. Read her research to understand why (or watch her presentation on YT).

I've seen it, just read the research too. Very small study, there can be huge unaccounted factors in play. The mere fact that people are receiving treatment can lower stress levels and thus perceived volume to name one. After a good massage my tinnitus drop in (perceived) loudness too, popping a Temazepam does the same, so does Yoga, being very relaxed and other calming activities for my nerve center. The fact that this doctor in her presentation starts off by saying tinnitus is caused by dead hair cells in the ear seems off seeing as Tinnitus already has been found to be mainly a neurological issue, seems to me once again some medical professional who has no clue what she is actually dealing with but hey, who knows, maybe it works. I can always try it after I habituated, I'm not going to focus on any of these so called miracle treatments in the meanwhile though, it only delays my progress ...

 

[GregCA]

The mere fact that people are receiving treatment can lower stress levels and thus perceived volume to name one.

The study accounted for this: it was a double-blinded, sham-controlled, crossover study. (page 4 of 9)

The fact that this doctor in her presentation starts off by saying tinnitus is caused by dead hair cells in the ear seems off seeing as Tinnitus already has been found to be mainly a neurological issue, seems to me once again some medical professional who has no clue what she is actually dealing with but hey, who knows, maybe it works.

Her explanation makes to total sense to me and is in line with the hypothesis that the genesis of T is - in the subset that she studied - a neurological issue. I don't understand why you feel there is a contradiction there.

 

[Chris Holland]

it was a double-blinded, sham-controlled, crossover

Sure, and I'm not saying it did not work (briefly), I'm just saying a good massage does the same for a lot of people.

Her explanation makes to total sense to me and is in line with the hypothesis that the genesis of T is - in the subset that she studied - a neurological issue. I don't understand why you feel there is a contradiction there.

@ 0:50 she repeats the same old regurgitated story about hearing damage and tinnitus.
If this is true than why do not all deaf/hearing impaired people have tinnitus?

Then they go on about somatic tinnitus, again if this is a thing how come chiropractic work does not cure tinnitus?
Because it is a neurological issue, I have not seen one single sentence in this video or the research that actually goes into how exactly they work the neurons involved or even which ones they target in the first place ... They target the nerve, not the neurons ...

How can you target something you don't even know is responsible in the first place?
I believe tinnitus can be caused by TMJ, loud noise, stress etc. Once it's there it is a neurological issue however, this is proven already by CT scans. Stimulation of nerves I think will always only give temporary relieve. It's almost like the Reddit cure with electrodes and acoustic neuromodulation.

 

[GregCA]

Sure, and I'm not saying it did not work (briefly), I'm just saying a good massage does the same for a lot of people.

I don't think so. It's OK - we don't have to agree!

@ 0:50 she repeats the same old regurgitated story about hearing damage and tinnitus.
If this is true than why do not all deaf/hearing impaired people have tinnitus?

Because there's a difference between a necessary condition and sufficient condition.
We already do know our shortcomings in understanding why some people with hearing loss don't have T and some do. I wish we knew the answer, but we don't.

Then they go on about somatic tinnitus, again if this is a thing how come chiropractic work does not cure tinnitus?

If you read/watch how the device is supposed to work and how the somatic component is used, you'll understand how chiropractic work differs.

Because it is a neurological issue, I have not seen one single sentence in this video or the research that actually goes into how exactly they work the neurons involved or even which ones they target in the first place ... They target the nerve, not the neurons ...

You are missing a lot of information/knowledge. You should really watch this. Note the title: "The Neural Bases and Neuroengineering of Tinnitus". I know it's long, but you don't have much of a choice if you want to be enlightened. It's very interesting:

 

[Chris Holland]

You are missing a lot of information/knowledge. You should really watch this. I know it's long, but you don't have much of a choice if you want to be enlightened. It's very interesting:

I'll watch it, seems interesting, thanks!