After the Initial Ear Protection: How Far Should I Go?

[light rain]

The only problem with the theory of electricity fuelling the triggers: is why doesn't it fuel them under controlled conditions? What's the missing factor? Is stress getting in the way?

Everything listed as a symptom of EHS can also be a symptom of stress. Reliably differentiating things like this is notoriously difficult. Without undeniable proof, you could say air pollutants in the atmosphere cause this condition.

I'm not pro or con - just pointing out how lab results are not necessarily the be all or end all. CFS has alot of vague symptoms too which is why I wasn't impressed with that label and basically had it hoisted on me when I was looking for answers. Doesn't mean that it is fake or not accurate just that it is so nebulous a condition it can cast a wide net. I simply pointed out for that condition which has similar symptoms as efs(?)people have commented they feel better.

Medicine has a long history of dismissing symptoms as imaginary or filing them under anxiety when in fact a real physical process is later discovered. Vertigo after MRI for instance. Also people are adamant they get rash or burns from that machine. Now they know more about some of that too like how not to create a circuit. But in the beginning it was written off as stress. So just because a study hasn't proven anything doesn't mean I give things an all clear. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Ed209]

I'm not pro or con - just pointing out how lab results are not necessarily the be all or end all. CFS has alot of vague symptoms too which is why I wasn't impressed with that label and basically had it hoisted on me when I was looking for answers. Doesn't mean that it is fake or not accurate just that it is so nebulous a condition it can cast a wide net. I simply pointed out for that condition which has similar symptoms as efs(?)people have commented they feel better.

Medicine has a long history of dismissing symptoms as imaginary or filing them under anxiety when in fact a real physical process is later discovered. Vertigo after MRI for instance. Also people are adamant they get rash or burns from that machine. Now they know more about some of that too like how not to create a circuit. But in the beginning it was written off as stress. So just because a study hasn't proven anything doesn't mean I give things an all clear. Your mileage may vary.

Neither am I. Like I said earlier, sometimes things take a while to be understood and then there's a paradigm shift. However, based on what's currently known, if I had to bet on an outcome, I'd bet on it being wrong.

The symptoms are so varied that it's hard to see how it's precisely pinned on electromagnetism. Most cases are self-diagnosed. If the media or google didn't highlight this condition, would people still believe their symptoms were caused by electromagnetism? It's an interesting question. Are they allergic to the sun as well? Or is it specific to wifi and powerlines?

I'd like to see strong research papers drawing conclusions in favour of this hypothesis.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

The ones that I talked too, dismissed my question until I explained exactly the three ways on how Bill received tinnitus/spikes, but I did not mentioned the type of phone that he used to the MIT guy. He was assuming it was a cell phone. He later pointed out that many who have worked at call centers in Australia some time ago were user of electric tooth brushes and/or had their teeth cleaned by battery powered device methods. Some of those have tinnitus. They also were headset telephones. Most others who didn't use electric tooth brushes don't have tinnitus.

According to the MIT guy, vibrations of his tooth brush traveled thru his teeth, then though bones in his teeth/jaw into the inner ear or cochlea. They bypassed the outer and middle ear completely. He talked about brain activity and stress. According to him only 3 people claim to have tinnitus from that alone. So case closed until I mentioned that he has an old landline telephone. He starts rambling all kinds of terms and frequency codes and a lot of math that I did not understand. He said that they have reviewed many of these same cases within their bio labs. Then I mentioned his hearing test, which Bill said that he also got a spike from. He discussed that connection as well. He concluded in saying Bill should be fine soon, once his brain discharges electrical pulses. He said that he will probably need to use some melatonin for sleep. I did make a mistake by saying not to use Zinc and Magnesium. He needs to use both.

 

[light rain]

Then I mentioned his hearing test, which Bill said that he also got a spike from. He discussed that connection as well. He concluded in saying Bill should be fine soon, once his brain discharges electrical pulses. He said that he will probably need to use some melatonin for sleep. I did make a mistake by saying not to use Zinc and Magnesium. He needs to use both.

I mentioned to Bill that I had a spike and didn't feel well right after my audiogram. Even mentioned it to the ent at the time it was that quick. Just curious if you have anymore info on that. I have HF hearing loss and nerve damage behind the cochlea. I have another audiogram Wed.

Thanks.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Let me check to see if I still have that information. If not I sent Bill 2 or 3 good articles on that - hopefully one of us still has that information. I will check now.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

http://www.hyperacusis.net/other-factors/acoustic-shock-disorder/

Scroll down to: ASD assessment


http://www.dineenwestcottmoore.com.au/uploads/ASD_TTTS_guide_medical_professionals.pdf


Scroll down, way down to: Hearing assessment

 

[Tom Cnyc]

Do you have tinnitus in one ear? Just wanted to clarify one plug.

Mine is in one ear, so I only use one ear plug. Except for one time at a recent event that was crazy loud. Then I used both and made a mental note to get ear protection for my kids, too.

No it's central but my left ear is worse.

 

[light rain]

http://www.hyperacusis.net/other-factors/acoustic-shock-disorder/

Scroll down to: ASD assessment


http://www.dineenwestcottmoore.com.au/uploads/ASD_TTTS_guide_medical_professionals.pdf


Scroll down, way down to: Hearing assessment

Thanks this is interesting. I've had problems with hypervigilance before too) I didn't feel well and not just T related after the hearing test. Was completely not expecting to have any issues with it. I am curious about vestibular H too since my balance issues are not following a pattern that I can tell. But ASD also includes balance issues and startle reflex so something more to think about.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

I have a list of 25 highly professional articles that I received from a clinical trail researcher that a group of researchers placed together. Clinical trials are not over discussed as they contain mostly information to cut thru the confusion of what may be one's problem. They cover tinnitus from A to Z.

Clinical researchers don't always agree with the main stream articles on the net. For example, they mention in links such as provided above to be careful with audio testing just after onset of tinnitus. They talk about big business and how they promote 'wrong things to do' at a certain stage of onset, such as using headphones or devices with tone sounds right after an onset of tinnitus. Success rates of drugs in percentage is often much lower. This is why many of these studies never enter clinical trials 3. I have assisted investors with drug and bio tech research since Amgen in 1987. Now there's several hundred public bio tech companies and many are just scams. Many of the best private studies in the USA with tinnitus have financial backing from the Defense Department.

 

[MJv]

Can you please provide a link to one (or more) scientific study, because all that google is returning to me is evidence of the opposite.

I googled Gregs link:
https://wearetheevidence.org/electromagnetic-sensitivity/

Btw: does everything needs stats or studies? Some thing are discussable and can't be proved (yet)
Or have contraversions

 

[GregCA]

I googled Gregs link:
https://wearetheevidence.org/electromagnetic-sensitivity/

I don't see any scientific study in there...

Btw: does everything needs stats or studies?

Only if you require proof before believing a hypothesis.

Some thing are discussable and can't be proved (yet)

Sure, and they should remain in that state, i.e. "unproven". Nothing wrong with that. They may be proven later on (it has happened many times throughout history). Until then, it's just a hypothesis.

 

[MJv]

https://www.emfacts.com/2012/01/electromagnetic-intolerance-elucidated/

 

[MJv]

http://www.es-uk.info/research-studies.html

 

[Bill Bauer]

I am not sure what to make of "dirty electricity".

http://www.es-uk.info/research-studies.html

Somehow up until today I haven't noticed the post above.

Could someone with a background in biology confirm that those studies had been published in respectable journals?

I attempted to find a website that one could trust discussing it. I found
http://www.prevention.com/health/healthy-living/electromagnetic-fields-and-your-health

"Electrical hypersensitivity (EHS) is becoming more widespread.

Symptoms of EHS, a recently identified condition, include fatigue, facial irritation (resembling rosacea), tinnitus, dizziness, and digestive disturbances, which occur after exposure to visual display units, mobile phones, WiFi equipment, and commonplace appliances. Experts say up to 3% of all people are clinically hypersensitive, as many as one-third of us to a lesser degree."

Is Prevention Magazine trustworthy? They certainly seem mainstream to me.

We have posts on this forum about Smart Meters and Dirty Electricity
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/smart-meter.16840/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/dirty-electricity.15818

What are we to make of this?!

 

[Bill Bauer]

And there there is this

 

[Shiwa]

@Bill Bauer

No, he isn't making sense—he comes on like a shill. He doesn't even comprehend that there are no waves giving the false, standard model of light, and including electricity (there is oscillating and linear electricity) in the same spectrum when the context is different. The 'wave' stuff comes from a false model of water waves (thought to be transverse, but really forward rotationous (transverse plus longitudinal) energypattern), being analogized for acoustic energy (hence transverse, when really longitudinal, densitous energypattern), being analogized by Maxwell for light and electricity (hence transverse, when really is a longitudinal, densitous energypattern, exactly the same as acoustic energy is)—Maxwell had the correct analogy but from a wrong model. It's all a cut and paste from Wikipedia, who cut and paste from elsewhere citing references that ultimately are tautologous. Argument from authority.

Not sure about Stetzer (of whom most would never have heard of) being used as an argument against harmonics and "transients" (they're not transient) as these are measurable with an oscilloscope and recognised even mainstream, as then one has an even bigger counter-argument that as there is immense profit in electricity and the things that run off of it, that, as perhaps the majority of folk use electricity, all these profiteers are scammers. His argument is fallacious. And there are always those who try to profit from the misery of others by selling "snake oil", but that doesn't imply that this misery is false, imagined, or not actual. How many can prove as fact as having tinnitus.

There has never been precautionary testing of the effects on life of many technologies and chemicals, profit always comes first, and governments get tax from profit.

All electrical devices and electrical wiring generates sub-infrared light which is much farther in effect, this is what affects one not necessarily the electromagnetic field. This light is measurable, and the effects of it in life are measurable as incoherent oscillating electricity (this is how aerial (antenna) works) cascading. Also, infrasound is generated —one needs special equipment to measure this— and there is a deliberate attempt to diss infrasound and the effects thereof.

The Zeitgeist is of left hemisphere dominance (being psychopathic) and information (here being rote-learnt and ideological) is worshipped, this over experience (with information being a tool and falsifiable), experience being right hemispheric. The Trickster is worshipped yet unseen.

Namaste

 

[Bill Bauer]

profit always comes first

As it should, because prosperity means that we can afford more of all of the things that we like, including clean environment, safe food and gadgets, and a good healthcare system.

All electrical devices and electrical wiring generates sub-infrared light which is much farther in effect, this is what affects one not necessarily the electromagnetic field. This light is measurable, and the effects of it in life are measurable as incoherent oscillating electricity (this is how aerial (antenna) works) cascading. Also, infrasound is generated —one needs special equipment to measure this

Interesting.

The Zeitgeist is of left hemisphere dominance (being psychopathic) and information (here being rote-learnt and ideological) is worshipped, this over experience (with information being a tool and falsifiable), experience being right hemispheric. The Trickster is worshipped yet unseen.

Since emotions are the source of most of our suffering (without emotions - direct effect is less suffering + indirect effect less suffering because fewer mistakes are made), and since rationality is the reason why we live healthier more fulfilled lives (compared to cavemen, people during the Middle Ages, etc.), personally I am glad that the Left Hemisphere has thus far been able to dominate the Right Hemisphere in most modern human societies.