Are Earplugs Safe If You Already Hurt Your Ears Before?

[Kevin397]

So several months ago, I got tinnitus after a loud gig, but it went away after a couple months of on and off ringing and sounds. For the full story, read my Success Story post below.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/my-lesson-about-tinnitus.20682/

Lately, I have been looking for places around my area with much softer music. Recently I went to a restaurant that has a club upstairs. The food was good, but I decided to leave after my meal. Because even from downstairs, the music was so loud that you could hear the sound waves vibrate through the floors! Why do people do this? Anyways, because of stuff like this, I have invested in high quality earplugs for scenes with loud music. The earplugs I bought don't muffle out conversations with others, but they protect from loud sounds.

Now; here is my question. Is this too much of a risk? I had bad hearing damage before. And although I've recovered, I still need to be very careful, because one more incident of very loud music could seal the deal. Granted, I doubt I'll be going back to the places that started it all, but I will probably try to find some place with loud music.

 

[Kevin397]

Bump.

 

[Bobby B]

what exact type of plugs you refer to ?

 

[Ed209]

So several months ago, I got tinnitus after a loud gig, but it went away after a couple months of on and off ringing and sounds. For the full story, read my Success Story post below.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/my-lesson-about-tinnitus.20682/

Lately, I have been looking for places around my area with much softer music. Recently I went to a restaurant that has a club upstairs. The food was good, but I decided to leave after my meal. Because even from downstairs, the music was so loud that you could hear the sound waves vibrate through the floors! Why do people do this? Anyways, because of stuff like this, I have invested in high quality earplugs for scenes with loud music. The earplugs I bought don't muffle out conversations with others, but they protect from loud sounds.

Now; here is my question. Is this too much of a risk? I had bad hearing damage before. And although I've recovered, I still need to be very careful, because one more incident of very loud music could seal the deal. Granted, I doubt I'll be going back to the places that started it all, but I will probably try to find some place with loud music.

You're opening Pandora's box with this one. Many points need to be raised.

• Are they ANSI or ISO compliant?
• Are they correctly inserted?
• what is the SNR or NNR rating?
• How close to the source of sound are you going to be (e.g. speakers)?
• How long are you going to be in the loud environment for?
• How loud is the environment whilst you are there (decibels)?


The answer lies within many variables of those questions. Earplugs don't make your ears invincible, but they do dramatically reduce the risk of damage if you are sensible.

 

[JurgenG]

I guess you already got them, but I would only risk going to any loud place with premolded plugs and a high filter. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Bobby B]

Professional foam plugs like the moldex meteors are rated 33db on the US scale - they would offer the best protection when inserted real deep

 

[JurgenG]

Professional foam plugs like the moldex meteors are rated 33db on the US scale - they would offer the best protection when inserted real deep

Maybe the ones you mention, but every plug I ever compared to my premolds are worse.
I also would like to add that the sound is really distorted and speaking is more difficult which results in you unplugging them.

 

[Bobby B]

I have no issue speaking with them and it's not distorted when people talk loud in a club or bar

The only problem is that they hurt the ear canals when worn for hours at a time

Sound reduction is the best but not comfort

 

[Kevin397]

You're opening Pandora's box with this one. Many points need to be raised.

• Are they ANSI or ISO compliant?
• Are they correctly inserted?
• what is the SNR or NNR rating?
• How close to the source of sound are you going to be (e.g. speakers)?
• How long are you going to be in the loud environment for?
• How loud is the environment whilst you are there (decibels)?


The answer lies within many variables of those questions. Earplugs don't make your ears invincible, but they do dramatically reduce the risk of damage if you are sensible.

What does an ANSI/ISO complaint mean?
Yes, I know how to correctly insert them.
The NNR rating is 20 decibels, and they are ETY plugs.
The environment seems to be around 75-80 decibels? I stood outside the place the other night thinking about whether I should go in or not before heading home (I chose to stay home) and the dance music was vibrating from outside.
I would only be in the environment for an hour or two, and the speakers are close to the dance floor.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Now; here is my question. Is this too much of a risk? I had bad hearing damage before. And although I've recovered, I still need to be very careful, because one more incident of very loud music could seal the deal. Granted, I doubt I'll be going back to the places that started it all, but I will probably try to find some place with loud music.

@Kevin397 The best earplugs (including moulded) won't fully protect you or any person if external sound is loud enough. Sound can travel through the mastoid bone and reach the inner ear. The mastoid bone is a hard piece of bone behind each ear, it is honeycombed with air pockets. Further reading in the link below.
https://www.britannica.com/science/ear/Transmission-of-sound-by-bone-conduction

 

[Kevin397]

@Kevin397 The best earplugs (including moulded) won't fully protect you or any person if external sound is loud enough. Sound can travel through the mastoid bone and reach the inner ear. The mastoid bone is a hard piece of bone behind each ear, it is honeycombed with air pockets. Further reading in the link below.
https://www.britannica.com/science/ear/Transmission-of-sound-by-bone-conduction

Thank you for the interesting read. Since the music at the place I mentioned in the above post vibrates from outside, then I doubt it would be safe even ear plugs . Better safe than sorry. I've been given a second chance to keep my hearing, and I'm not going to ruin it again, because next time, it may not recover.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Thank you for the interesting read. Since the music at the place I mentioned in the above post vibrates from outside, then I doubt it would be safe even ear plugs . Better safe than sorry. I've been given a second chance to keep my hearing, and I'm not going to ruin it again, because next time, it may not recover.

I think you are being very sensible because prevention is better than cure. If others followed your example they could save themselves a lot of misery.
Best of luck
Michael

 

[Kevin397]

I think you are being very sensible because prevention is better than cure. If others followed your example they could save themselves a lot of misery.
Best of luck
Michael

Agreed. And thanks.

 

[Ed209]

What does an ANSI/ISO complaint mean?
Yes, I know how to correctly insert them.
The NNR rating is 20 decibels, and they are ETY plugs.
The environment seems to be around 75-80 decibels? I stood outside the place the other night thinking about whether I should go in or not before heading home (I chose to stay home) and the dance music was vibrating from outside.
I would only be in the environment for an hour or two, and the speakers are close to the dance floor.

(ANSI, ISO) It means they meet a required standard. Otherwise you may end up with a cheap unspecified material (very rare I'll admit).

75-80 is debatable whether you need plugs at all. I tend to wear plugs from 80 onwards, and would usually go for a 10db or 15db filter at this intensity.

If the noise is real noise - above 85db - I use my 25db filters. If it's particularly loud I'll either cap the plugs and go for a solid 33db or just leave depending on how loud we're talking.

It's definitely better to be safe than sorry. If you are uncomfortable, don't stay. The flip side of this is not to fear everyday noises that regularly go between 70db-80db. This zone of noise is largely unavoidable at not worth worrying about. You will only give yourself a phobia to sound (phonophobia), which is generally not good for your mental wellbeing. It will also make you obsessive and may possibly give you a form of OCD.

 

[Michael Leigh]

If you are uncomfortable, don't stay. The flip side of this is not to fear everyday noises that regularly go between 70db-80db. This zone of noise is largely unavoidable at not worth worrying about. You will only give yourself a phobia to sound (phonophobia), which is generally not good for your mental wellbeing. It will also make you obsessive and possibly give you a form of OCD.

I fully agree @Ed209 Far too many people are using ear protection and doing themselves more harm than good. I went into a venue last year where the noise level recorded was 100 decibels on my meter. I used no ear protection although I had them with me. This was a test and don't advise anyone else to try it. I stayed at that venue for 30mins. I had no problems and my tinnitus was silent the next day and no hint of hyperacusis.

Michael

 

[Kevin397]

(ANSI, ISO) It means they meet a required standard. Otherwise you may end up with a cheap unspecified material (very rare I'll admit).

75-80 is debatable whether you need plugs at all. I tend to wear plugs from 80 onwards, and would usually go for a 10db or 15db filter at this intensity.

If the noise is real noise - above 85db - I use my 25db filters. If it's particularly loud I'll either cap the plugs and go for a solid 33db or just leave depending on how loud we're talking.

It's definitely better to be safe than sorry. If you are uncomfortable, don't stay. The flip side of this is not to fear everyday noises that regularly go between 70db-80db. This zone of noise is largely unavoidable at not worth worrying about. You will only give yourself a phobia to sound (phonophobia), which is generally not good for your mental wellbeing. It will also make you obsessive and may possibly give you a form of OCD.

Fortunately, I don't fear loud noises. I'm just uncomfortable putting myself in a position where loud sound is being blasted at me for minutes on end. Also, maybe the music was louder than 85 decibels. How many decibels does music have to be before you can hear it vibrate from outside a venue?

 

[maltese]

(ANSI, ISO) It means they meet a required standard. Otherwise you may end up with a cheap unspecified material (very rare I'll admit).

75-80 is debatable whether you need plugs at all. I tend to wear plugs from 80 onwards, and would usually go for a 10db or 15db filter at this intensity.

If the noise is real noise - above 85db - I use my 25db filters. If it's particularly loud I'll either cap the plugs and go for a solid 33db or just leave depending on how loud we're talking.

It's definitely better to be safe than sorry. If you are uncomfortable, don't stay. The flip side of this is not to fear everyday noises that regularly go between 70db-80db. This zone of noise is largely unavoidable at not worth worrying about. You will only give yourself a phobia to sound (phonophobia), which is generally not good for your mental wellbeing. It will also make you obsessive and may possibly give you a form of OCD.

Ed, how do you decide 'crap, it's too loud, time to go home'? Any rule of thumb?

 

[Ed209]

Ed, how do you decide 'crap, it's too loud, time to go home'? Any rule of thumb?

My gut would tell me. I think we all know deep down when it gets to that point. I'm a musician as well, so I've been dealing with sound and decibels for most of my life.

 

[Jim51042]

@Ed209 that is a very useful skill. I have never play music and have always had a terrible ability to identity notes etc. Also I'm realizing that I have a poor ability discerning when something is dangerously loud. In fact if I had enjoyed seeing bands I would have probably gotten T a long time ago. At 31 I have only been to 4 live band performances and maybe 8 musicals. I've only had the chance to go to a couple clubs in my life too. I got my T stupidly listening to podcasts on the Metro for a couple months unaware that the sound was too loud. They could use a PSA on those things or better yet quieter cars. Actually since I've stopped they are integrating new quieter cars into the fleet.

Anyways maybe try to use a calibrated phone app to check.

 

[Kevin397]

@Ed209

Anyways maybe try to use a calibrated phone app to check.

That I will do. Thanks.

 

[Kevin397]

So this past weekend, I went to one of the dance clubs (my phone app measured about 80 decibels). And I used 20 NR earplugs. My ears were fine after, and I only stayed for about ten minutes to test things.. Still; I find it kind of dumb how they place one of the large speakers that's blasting music, *right by the door*. I see people standing there all the time, and there's even a table there for people to sit. Basically, when you walk in the room or leave, you have to get past the speaker.

 

[ScottK]

I've been sleeping with foam earplugs for the last twenty years, give or take. I can't sleep if I'm able to hear any external noise, including my wife breathing. I can't sleep with sound machines or white noise generators (wife uses one). Part of it is because I've been using earplugs for longer than sound machines have been a thing. It would probably take me weeks to get a good night's sleep without them now.

I've wondered through the years if the earplugs have made my tinnitus worse. Although I'd imagine that I'd have equal whistling in both ears and if I have it in my right ear, I can't hear it because it's being drowned out by the left.

 

[Taylorslay]

Fortunately, I don't fear loud noises. I'm just uncomfortable putting myself in a position where loud sound is being blasted at me for minutes on end. Also, maybe the music was louder than 85 decibels. How many decibels does music have to be before you can hear it vibrate from outside a venue?

It depends. Bass can be heard and felt through vibrations easily. Even at a low volume. I can tell you from experience. I suggest if you have a computer, setting everything through the equalizer on treble. Gets rid of the bass and the possibility of bone conduction through the vibrations. If you don't have an equalizer download one. I use the Dell one for my computer.