Botox 70% Success Rate as a Tinnitus Treatment!?

[EddyLee]

Would you believe this...
http://www.ohrfrei.de/botinnox/indexgb.html

 

[Marlene]

I'm interested in this Botox subject,I had a neck tumour removed last year,surgeon did offer me Botox on the outside of my right ear,if it was needed.I never took that up but now on what I've read I will take another look at Botox,as I've been told that's helped with Migraines,and as I suffer with allergies,namely facial pain,maybe this article I will show my dr. Wish now I'd taken up surgeons offer of the Botox,he did say to go back to him at any time.Thanks Eddy for coming up with it.What gems come up on this forum,never cease to amaze me.

 

[jazz]

A group of physicians in Palo Alto, CA, also conducted a small botox study for tinnitus. After obtaining good results, they are considering a larger one. I'm very excited about this!

http://www.californiaearinstitute.com/

http://www.californiaearinstitute.com/webdocuments/faq-botox.pdf

This is from their website:

 

[Mark McDill]

Botox? Really? If it actually works that would be awesome (indeed); it just seems too good to be true (too easy). Something so simplistic would be a real slap in the face to all the other research endeavors and flies in the face of decades of research conducted by myriad well-intentioned 'brainiacs'.

So, that would mean we have Acoustic CR Neuromodulation, Ultra Quiet Therapy, Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, AUTOFONY, VNS, laser therapy, decades of audiologists/neuro-surgeons/ENTs (bless their hearts), AM-101, and , of course, the big hitter inner-ear hair cell regeneration via stem cell research; then someone comes along and says 'hey, check it out, Botox works...'.

It just gives me pause.

By no means do I intend to come across negative or cynical; I just couldn't stop my right eyebrow from raising in disbelief. Nonetheless, if it works it works (I'm game); but I'll wait for the final analysis and facts.

Mark

 

[Martin69]

His clinic is 30 km away from my home.
But I do not know what botox can do against overactive neurons in the brain.

 

[shenandoah]

There is a study from 2011 regarding TTTS (tensor tympani syndrome-pain, tightness, buzzing of speech and sound coming in, occasional clicking, fluttering, pulsating) and having botox temporarily calm down symptoms for 2-6 months. But TTS symptoms (my guess) are corollary to middle ear issues, not emanating from the brain. And to be sure, there are some case studies where people have said botox did away with their T, if I'm not mistaken it was objective tinnitus.

 

[RichL]

Botox? Really? If it actually works that would be awesome (indeed); it just seems too good to be true (too easy). Something so simplistic would be a real slap in the face to all the other research endeavors and flies in the face of decades of research conducted by myriad well-intentioned 'brainiacs'.

So, that would mean we have Acoustic CR Neuromodulation, Ultra Quiet Therapy, Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, AUTOFONY, VNS, laser therapy, decades of audiologists/neuro-surgeons/ENTs (bless their hearts), AM-101, and , of course, the big hitter inner-ear hair cell regeneration via stem cell research; then someone comes along and says 'hey, check it out, Botox works...'.

It just gives me pause.

By no means do I intend to come across negative or cynical; I just couldn't stop my right eyebrow from raising in disbelief. Nonetheless, if it works it works (I'm game); but I'll wait for the final analysis and facts.

Mark

No not at all for Autifony, My understanding is that they are working off a similar theory that is the communication from the auditory nerve and the brain so makes allot of sense that botox would work if it does indeed calm the activity in the auditory nerve!

Rich

 

[Mark McDill]

No not at all for Autifony, My understanding is that they are working off a similar theory that is the communication from the auditory nerve and the brain so makes allot of sense that botox would work if it does indeed calm the activity in the auditory nerve!

Rich

That would be awesome!

 

[Golly]

A couple of years ago I was explored the possibility that TMJ issues were the cause of my tinnitus. I saw a specialist who gave me trigger point injections. Unfortunately, I derived no appreciable benefit from this treatment. The doctor, who specializes in facial pain, said that if I wanted to explore Botox as an option, he would be happy to go down that road. I never took him up on it, but I have often thought about Botox as a tinnitus treatment since then.

The study cited by @jazz explains that the injections would be into the scalp and directly in the ear canal. I am not sure that this is what my doctor had in mind. However, depending on the outcome of a larger study, I would consider returning to my doctor, at least for the scalp injections.

-Golly

 

[EddyLee]

I just read that botox basically knocks off the connection between the nerves and muscles. I would then guess that those with somatic T will benefit the most with botox? This does not means other type of T will not be effective at all, IMO anything that has effect on our nerves has potential to influence T.

According to the website the treatment cost 386.20 Euro which is quite affordable!

 

[RaZaH]

Awesome, Im getting some ducklips done as well. Free of T and super kissable.

 

[jazz]

I've found a small 2004 study of botox injections for subjective tinnitus. In the study, some people experienced significant improvement, but most people stayed the same and a few worsened. Specifically, six out of 28 improved; 4 out of 28 worsened; and 17 out of 28 remained the same.

Here's the link:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0194599804006527

Of course, I assume the California Ear Institute has a different protocol.

 

[carlover]

I've found a small 2004 study of botox injections for subjective tinnitus. In the study, some people experienced significant improvement, but most people stayed the same and a few worsened. Specifically, six out of 28 improved; 4 out of 28 worsened; and 17 out of 28 remained the same.

Here's the link:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0194599804006527

Of course, I assume the California Ear Institute has a different protocol.

...and 100% said their ears looked as smooth as Simon Cowells forhead

 

[Telis]

If this isn't a new technique and has been around since 04 or later, how promising could this be? Sorry to be pessimistic. The more I search for treatments, the more exhausting this whole thing becomes. And I've only had it for 7 months. Frustrated already, as I'm sure we all are. I don't know if I should just stop looking and try and get on or keep grasping at straws. No idea. I had very light tinnitus at the start and the doctors kept handing me ototoxic drugs to treat this mild tinnitus, it went from a 1 out of 10 to now what I would consider a nine out of ten after trying different things the doctors said might help. Now I'm terrified of any treatment. I think the antibiotic drops really fried my ears, I'm now half deaf. I am 40 and always protected my ears and have always had very accurate hearing until 7 months ago. I wonder how much worse the 4 out of 28 are in the 04 study. And how much better the 6 were.

 

[RaZaH]

Yeah, I am getting more and more convinced that doing nothing at all is the best way to go.

 

[Shambles]

It says 7 percent have stayed trouble free and then 70..which is it? Also does this mean zero tinnitus or what...bit low on data this

 

[Shambles]

i´ve had another look. i think i´m gonna go for this one..i'm sure my t is ear related (after sea-sick ferry ride) and i just have always had a feeling that getting some gloop shot in my ear was the way it was going to get sorted. seems as logical as any of the treatments out there and i'm sick of doing nothing about it. anybody been here? feedback etc?

 

[eman]

I've had Botox shots behind my ears in Germany as a tinnitus treatment, I thought it was going to work according to the small study that was done by California ear institute but unfortunately it didn't do anything.

When I asked the doctor about the concept he told me that it dilates the blood vessels and improves blood flow to the ears...

 

[Brianna]

When I asked the doctor about the concept he told me that it dilates the blood vessels and improves blood flow to the ears...

Okiedokie then I'd like to understand what happens months or a year or so from the injection. I see what was said but I don't trust it.

 

[Zechariah]

I've had Botox shots behind my ears in Germany as a tinnitus treatment, I thought it was going to work according to the small study that was done by California ear institute but unfortunately it didn't do anything.

When I asked the doctor about the concept he told me that it dilates the blood vessels and improves blood flow to the ears...

Well, if improving blood flow is the mechanism behind the "treatment" - I think that I have bad news for chronic sufferers... At most of the cases T has nothing to do with blood flow.

 

[ruben ruiz]

The thing about Chronic sufferers they once were not chronic. They too started with minimal T.

I believe its the anxiety and meds that speed up the decline.

I have been tapering on Venlafaxine which I believe is ototoxic. Im near 50% of what I took for 2.5 years.
I also quite Trazadon cold as per doctors order. I was on 175 mg of Trazadone. I also know Trazadone is ototoxic.
Its beef four nights without Trazadon . Today I woke up with the least amount of Tinnitus I had in 2.5 years. But you know how this monster works. Tomorrow or even tonight is a new day.
In place of Trazadon Ive been given Rozerem, its not addictive. Ill let you know how the tapreing continues. I really believe that Trazadon for me was S _ _ _ ! Hyperacusis and the whole enchalada went way up when I started.

 

[soundmachine]

LOL...improves blood flow to the ears. So does alcohol! I find that booze helps my T. So let's all get hammered until we pass out. I bet you your T will be gone!! I think I'll grab a beer now.

 

[ruben ruiz]

How many people with T taking Niacin or Zinc which accentuates blood flow actually feel relief?
I bet you its not very many! So blood flow may not be a huge issue for Tinnitians as some believe.
I know its important yet is it the heart of the matter? I don't think so.

 

[soundmachine]

Yeah, I am getting more and more convinced that doing nothing at all is the best way to go.

Yea...With all these drugs people are putting into their body...it's a wonder they have any hearing at all. Not to mention other problems.

 

[soundmachine]

Okiedokie then I'd like to understand what happens months or a year or so from the injection. I see what was said but I don't trust it.

Maybe if you try hard enough with botox, you cure your T but look like this!! Happy injections.

 

[Dana]

Maybe if you try hard enough with botox, you cure your T but look like this!! Happy injections.

That is not the result of Botox injections, but more likely of a bad reaction to some substance. Maybe silicone, maybe not, but definitely not Botox. Nobody has Botox injections in lips or chin, it would make no sense.

 

[Dana]

@eman You didn't have a transtympanic injection? Weird. I called them and asked about the injections, and they told me that one of them is in the ear, through the eardrum, information that made me changed my mind, I was determined to go.
So no injection through the ear drum? Really? I don't want to sound like I don't believe you, but I am just stunned by the difference between what they told me and what you told us.
What did you feel after the injections?

 

[soundmachine]

That is not the result of Botox injections, but more likely of a bad reaction to some substance. Maybe silicone, maybe not, but definitely not Botox. Nobody has Botox injections in lips or chin, it would make no sense.

http://www.realself.com/forum/14-knew-before-botox
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1326385/After-18-years-Botox-I-finally-unfroze-smile-.html

https://www.google.ca/search?q=pictures+of+botox+gone+wrong&espv=2&biw=1536&bih=764&tbm=isch&imgil=quS8AfRxyAQrkM%3A%3Bgu-MoBxDaYh6hM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpixshark.com%252Fbotox-gone-wrong.htm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=quS8AfRxyAQrkM%3A%2Cgu-MoBxDaYh6hM%2C_&usg=__EtixUrObX4loSj6q1tCDpmnXMjo=&dpr=1.25&ved=0CDgQyjc&ei=XoFnVbviBISwogTdkIPYDA#imgrc=quS8AfRxyAQrkM%3A;yO0uoCyCep-xUM;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.exposix.com%2Ffiles%2Fexposix%2Fans_attachments%2Fthumbs%2F58403868_Nancy-Pelosi-with-Botox-Gone-Wrong-67320_thumb.png;http%3A%2F%2Fimgsoup.com%2F1%2Fbotox-gone-wrong-men%2F;484;493

Makes sense to stay away...that's what makes sense.

Happy injections...

 

[Dana]

@soundmachine
How rude!

Just because you found a page with botched esthethic interventions, that allegedly are the result of Botox, doesn't mean that those pictures are the result of Botox. I could make a page with any pictures I want and say whatever lies about those pictures and publish it on the Internet, that doesn't make it true.
Does that "make sense" to you?
Everything that is published on the Internet is true for you, since you use some web page with some text as some kind of "proof"?
You've shown a picture of a person with a swollen chin and swollen lips. That person had Botox injection cause she had a "wrinkled chin", and "wrinkled lips"?

 

[soundmachine]

@soundmachine Just because you found a page with botched esthethic interventions, that allegedly are the result of Botox, doesn't mean that those pictures are the result of Botox. I could make a page with any pictures I want and say whatever lies about those pictures and publish it on the Internet, that doesn't make it true.
Does that makes sense to you?
Everything that is published on the Internet is true for you, since you use some web page with some text as some kind of "proof"?

Ok...I'm not sure what is sad, that you can't take a joke or that you actually think that injecting a toxin in your ears or around your ears is somehow safe. Botox is a toxin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin
from Botulinum toxin.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration requires a boxed warning stating that when locally administered the toxin may spread from the injection site to other areas of the body, causing symptoms similar to those of botulism poisoning. The warning was the result of deaths associated with its uses.[4][5] The commercial form is marketed under the brand name Botox,

1. FDA Notifies Public of Adverse Reactions Linked to Botox Use. Fda.gov. Retrieved on May 6, 2012.
2. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f g h FDA Gives Update on Botulinum Toxin Safety Warnings; Established Names of Drugs Changed, FDA Press Announcement, August 3, 2009