Caffeine Spikes Tinnitus?

[Mike34]

Had a cup of coffee the other day and unbeknownst to me, it was made with espresso (150 mg caffeine). I felt awful afterwards. Really shaky and disoriented.

Now my "static" tinnitus is in a huge spike. I almost feel like I did when tinnitus first came on, always thinking about it. I was habituated before this.

Anyone else experience this?

 

[Nucleo]

150 mg of caffeine really isn't that much, Less than 2 cups.

Are you a regular drinker? If not that might be the case. I find no foods/beverages do anything in regards to tinnitus.

 

[Mike34]

150 mg of caffeine really isn't that much, Less than 2 cups.

Are you a regular drinker? If not that might be the case. I find no foods/beverages do anything in regards to tinnitus.

I quit most caffeine when I came down with tinnitus, hyperacusis, and other pain issues. I usually have a small cup of coffee in the morning (<60 mg) and am fine. This cup really knocked me on my ass. I have been diagnosed with central nervous system sensitization so it could have contributed too...

 

[Nucleo]

I have been diagnosed with central nervous system sensitization

Never heard of such a diagnosis before.

 

[Mad maggot]

Sometimes I feel sure coffee is making my tinnitus worse and other times it doesn't seem to affect me so I can't make up my mind if coffee does or not!

 

[Mike34]

Never heard of such a diagnosis before.

Google it, there are many articles and studies on it. It's not so much a "diagnosis" in itself, but a way to explain the pain and problems I'm having. The ultimate cause is unknown, but many different doctors have said I have CNS sensitization (cause of my pain as well as tinnitus).

 

[erik]

I drink probably 2-3 cups a day. Used to affect my tinnitus (with spikes) for the first year but now not at all.

 

[erik]

Never heard of such a diagnosis before.

Yup. If they can give a name to some condition whether there is a treatment or cure or whether they even know what causes it, that's enough for most people. Everything explainable or not seems to need a label.

 

[linearb]

Never heard of such a diagnosis before.

It's one of those things that's hard to pin down; some people's nervous systems just react more strongly to stimuli than others. I don't have this diagnosis, but I had all the symptoms in spades following benzodiazepine discontinuation. It's not a smoke-and-mirrors thing, though, some imaging studies etc have been done.

Central sensitization: Implications for the diagnosis and treatment of pain

In 1983 I published a study indicating that many features of the pain hypersensitivity accompanying peripheral tissue injury or inflammation were the direct result of an augmentation of sensory signaling in the central nervous system. A central amplification during angina pectoris had been postulated exactly 100 years before by W Allen Sturge MD, who in an 1883 paper in Brain envisaged a possible central nervous system "commotion ... passed up from below" that somehow contributed to the clinical features of ischemic cardiac pain.

Yup. If they can give a name to some condition whether there is a treatment or cure or whether they even know what causes it, that's enough for most people. Everything explainable or not seems to need a label.

I'm generally disinclined to appreciate labels in general, but when they can be tied to anatomical reality, then they have utility. Compared to something like BPD, CS is real, in that you can apparently reliably show differences in nerve function using diagnostic tests. However, I do think it's a bit of an umbrella label because it seems to encompass people who have the same reason for organic reasons (genetics, premature birth, etc) along with people who develop the same symptoms following shock or trauma.

There is a correlate between this and the physiological reactions to various drugs. Most drugs build a tolerance, where repeat doses generate a smaller and smaller effect. However, some drugs in some individuals build a reverse tolerance, where subsequent exposure causes an increased response. Amphetamines are known to behave this way, at least in some individuals.

Had a cup of coffee the other day and unbeknownst to me, it was made with espresso (150 mg caffeine). I felt awful afterwards. Really shaky and disoriented.

Now my "static" tinnitus is in a huge spike. I almost feel like I did when tinnitus first came on, always thinking about it. I was habituated before this.

Anyone else experience this?

If I don't consume caffeine for a period of time and then jump back in at my usual dose, I react exactly as you describe -- I can become almost manic for a few hours, and then feel very shaky, anxious and dysphoric.

 

[Richard zurowski]

Caffeine is a no go if you suffer with tinnitus. If you like coffee try de caffeinated coffee.

 

[Damocles]

Today I am quitting any and all food/drink which contains caffeine for good.

The reason being, that I am, as I write this, suffering a 100 dB spike in my left ear, after having drank 2 cups of (caffeinated) tea last night, while I was studying at my desk.

This has been a gradual development, and very much the opposite of @erik's experience, shared below.

I drink probably 2-3 cups a day. Used to affect my tinnitus (with spikes) for the first year but now not at all.

After I first developed tinnitus, tea/coffee (any caffeinated drinks) would make me jittery and hyper (although I hadn't pinned down caffeine as the cause). Chocolate on the other hand had no discernible effect.

Fast forward a couple of years, I noticed chocolate beginning to make me as hyper as the tea/coffee, and if I had them together I'd earn myself a return ticket to Jupiter for any amount of time, up to 12 hours.

Fast forward to this year, and I began to notice my favourite (caffeinated) white and green teas were giving me temporary spikes that lasted up to 48 hours. What has been most alarming is the fact that the spikes appear to be becoming more severe over time. Now of course, just like with the hyperactivity and agitation, chocolate is also spiking me; and so it has all come full circle.

Some of you may remember me demonstrating a very cavalier attitude toward these "caffeine spikes" in my previous posts. But today I've reached a point where I can no longer disregard them so flippantly, because they're honestly beginning to scare me. Every time I get one now, I find myself living in fear of the possibility that it might not go back down. And so I have done the unthinkable, and chucked away the 11 remaining teabags from my packet of silver-tips white tea.

No choice in the matter it seems; so here's to a healthier life in 2022!

 

[Stacken77]

I think you do the right thing by avoiding caffeinated foods, @Damocles.

as I write this, suffering a 100 dB spike in my left ear

Dang! A 100 dB spike. That isn't "tinnitus", that's "TINNITUS!!!!". Hope it goes back completely.

Wish you well,
Stacken

 

[Stacken77]

Caffeine is a no go if you suffer with tinnitus. If you like coffee try de caffeinated coffee.

I mean, my tinnitus is hyper reactive, batshit crazy, but two cups of coffee a day doesn't move the volume one bit. I think it's highly individual how the brain/tinnitus responds to caffeine.

Stacken

 

[Exit]

I remember being in London 2009, had a cozy Starbucks visit and then we left out the door to do some shopping. I ended up buying new pants and underwear...

 

[Wrfortiscue]

I mean, my tinnitus is hyper reactive, batshit crazy, but two cups of coffee a day doesn't move the volume one bit. I think it's highly individual how the brain/tinnitus responds to caffeine.

Stacken

Same. I'm addicted to it.

 

[GeorgeLG]

Caffeine spikes my tinnitus but sugar spikes it more. We are all different so trial and error is needed to confirm for each of us. And it can change as stated here.

George

 

[Stacken77]

I mean, my tinnitus is hyper reactive, batshit crazy, but two cups of coffee a day doesn't move the volume one bit. I think it's highly individual how the brain/tinnitus responds to caffeine.

One thing I realized just now is that a cup of coffee doesn't make me more alert, at all. I just drink it because I think it tastes good with a snack. Maybe caffeine just isn't very potent to my nervous system, hence not impacting my tinnitus? Maybe the tinnitus would spike if I were to down 5 cups in one sitting and get jittery hands? I wouldn't want to try it though lol.

Just my speculation.

 

[GeorgeLG]

Since there is more than one cause for tinnitus there is more than one set of irritants and things that might help. If you have an overactive system contributing to or causing tinnitus, stimulants may not be best.

George

 

[Shelbylynn]

I took a week off of caffeine more so because of my tachycardia incident than because of tinnitus but it didn't really help my tinnitus. Also didn't seem to make a difference on my insomnia. I think it helped my anxiety just a bit though. I had a Matcha tea latte earlier and now I'm just talking a lot. So it does make me more annoying if anything.

 

[BigNick]

Coffee seems to help my tinnitus at times. For some people it can cause anxiety and that could alter your perception of tinnitus temporarily.

 

[Quiet please]

My coffee limit is 2 cups a day. If I attempt more; it spikes. Regular tea (herbal is fine) gives me a huge spike within 15 minutes which can last over 24 hours.

 

[Forever hopeful]

Today I am quitting any and all food/drink which contains caffeine for good.

The reason being, that I am, as I write this, suffering a 100 dB spike in my left ear, after having drank 2 cups of (caffeinated) tea last night, while I was studying at my desk.

This has been a gradual development, and very much the opposite of @erik's experience, shared below.

After I first developed tinnitus, tea/coffee (any caffeinated drinks) would make me jittery and hyper (although I hadn't pinned down caffeine as the cause). Chocolate on the other hand had no discernible effect.

Fast forward a couple of years, I noticed chocolate beginning to make me as hyper as the tea/coffee, and if I had them together I'd earn myself a return ticket to Jupiter for any amount of time, up to 12 hours.

Fast forward to this year, and I began to notice my favourite (caffeinated) white and green teas were giving me temporary spikes that lasted up to 48 hours. What has been most alarming is the fact that the spikes appear to be becoming more severe over time. Now of course, just like with the hyperactivity and agitation, chocolate is also spiking me; and so it has all come full circle.

Some of you may remember me demonstrating a very cavalier attitude toward these "caffeine spikes" in my previous posts. But today I've reached a point where I can no longer disregard them so flippantly, because they're honestly beginning to scare me. Every time I get one now, I find myself living in fear of the possibility that it might not go back down. And so I have done the unthinkable, and chucked away the 11 remaining teabags from my packet of silver-tips white tea.

No choice in the matter it seems; so here's to a healthier life in 2022!

So sorry to hear this is happening. Tinnitus takes so much away from us and then it takes away the little things that you enjoy like a cup of tea while you're studying. It's just heartbreaking. I really hope your spike goes down soon. I get spikes where my tinnitus is like screaming and I can't concentrate on anything.

I believe you had written somewhere that you're from the UK. I can't tell you how much I love English breakfast tea. I have been crushed that tinnitus has forced me to drink decaf, although I am not sure caffeine always sizes my spikes. Mine have no rhyme or reason. Anyway, I feel like the decaf doesn't taste as good as the caffeinated. I don't know if it's all in my head but it just doesn't taste as good. I do long for the days when I travel to England and indulged in afternoon tea by the buckets.

Hang on there.

 

[Damocles]

Hope it goes back completely.

It did thank you mate.

For some people it can cause anxiety and that could alter your perception of tinnitus temporarily.

Don't mean to bring static @BigNick, but that's not it, and I think anxiety as a cause of everything/anything on this site is given far too much credence. Like some sort of reverse panacea we can scapegoat, in order to gaslight ourselves; it reinforces the idea of tinnitus as a psychosomatic disorder, which it most certainly isn't.

In any case, I can assure you, caffeine physically heightens the volume of my tinnitus, tenfold, which I believe, as others here have already suggested, must be to do with caffeine's effect on the nervous system and subsequently, the auditory nervous system.

Where you're correct however, is that there is undoubtedly a correlation between those who suffer anxiety after drinking caffeine, and those who do not's, probability of suffering a tinnitus spike after consuming it; which hints at the former's CNS going crazy when introduced to the stimulant, and also having trouble processing it (which probably determines the length of the spike also).

I believe you had written somewhere that you're from the UK.

I am indeed.

I can't tell you how much I love English breakfast tea.

It's lovely, especially with cake or a scone (although I still prefer white and green, with anything).

Anyway, I feel like the decaf doesn't taste as good as the caffeinated. I don't know if it's all in my head but it just doesn't taste as good.

It's not. It doesn't. Decaf (version of any tea) is horrible.

I do long for the days when I travel to England and indulged in afternoon tea by the buckets.

I'm sure it will happen again.

 

[Fleegle]

I have been without caffeine for two weeks. I guess I have somatic tinnitus.

My experience is that my tinnitus has not been reduced because caffeine has been absent, and today I have had much caffeine and my tinnitus persists (not a spike - just persists) - I don't get spikes and my tinnitus is continuously high.

Previously I also removed dairy and caffeine while on remote location (because there is an opportunity to do so) and there was also no change to my tinnitus.

Again my experience (YMMV).

 

[Ola]

Caffeine seems to reduce the volume of my tinnitus.

 

[Sam Marksmen]

My coffee limit is 2 cups a day. If I attempt more; it spikes. Regular tea (herbal is fine) gives me a huge spike within 15 minutes which can last over 24 hours.

Tea has high levels of salicylates, I suspect that's why tea is giving you more a spike than coffee. Tea has way lower levels of caffeine I believe, 30 mg or so.