Calming Down My Subconscious Mind

[Zora]

Hi Guys,

So the thing is, I think that my T is not that bad. I mean its horrible and it sucks, but in comparison to other people I think my T is mild and I should be happy.
But my mind is on constant high alert. and I cannot calm my unconscious mind down. Im always tense bc my s.m.(subconscious mind) Is like:" I have T, I cant do this now, I cant do that...worry worry worry" I tried meditating and craniosacral therapy. Nothing helps

what Im trying to say is that my anxiety is really strong. and thats what I cant calm down, although atm I am laying in my warm bed, being totally relaxed but my subconscious mind is not! I know that because I have Derealization (a disorder where I feel unreal. And as more My subconscious mind is unrelaxed the unrealer I feel)

I have T since end of Dec 2015. so about 1.5 months and it has gone down to maybe 40% from what it was before!! And dont get me wrong I am happy about it and consider myself lucky. But its still there. And probably there is always going to be a little hissing.

Bur my s.m. Is still on high alert like in December ! This is driving me insane.
Like I said, meditating, distracting, craniosacraltherapy, normal therapy.not helping.

Please share ur experiences!

 

[AnxiousJon]

My experience is that I was in your shoes; then I took drugs; then I was no longer in your shoes; and it is still working, so I am still no longer in your shoes. I'll post what I recently wrote on this matter of training the subconscious:

Each of our psychologies is a combination lock on a safe. You gotta be the creative and really take an intelligent look at yourself and learn what it is that you find so disressing about it.
What are the things(plural) that you believe, fear, love, that influence how you respond subconsciously?
Your subconscious is a child that you must train to behave differently; and each child is different. If you have been trying to just say "no, don't notice the T!", you will have to take a more forensic look at things. Don't just slap your subconscious around and say "habituate d@mnit!". Woo it, entice it, encourage it, rebuke it rationally.
You'll find the code to unlock the safe-door, and the treasures inside will be worth it.

Put in other words, your efforts to right the ship must be non-manic. If you try too strenuously you aren't going to convince your subconscious that things are okay. Imagine trying to convince a child that something is no big deal by screaming frantically "things are okay!, no really!" You have to be far more clever.

 

[Zora]

Thanks you for your Reply Jon. I understand ur point and I agree. Its like you are saying.
I am trying to stick to the natural way, but what kind of drugs did you take? Zoloft? Do you think those drugs can also help our subconscious mind?
Bc I think I can make it the natural way. But it will take years to do it that way.
As I have Derealization every psychoactive substances need to be avoided.

 

[Artmuzz]

Last year I had a couple of severe panic attacks which gave me derealization, anxiety, dizziness, head pressures, migraines and depression. I also had (and I still do) ultra high pitched tinnitus like a dog whistle in my right ear. I never took any antidepressants or any anti anxiety medication and now a year later my derealization has nearly disappeared. I still have a bit of anxiety and depression and physical symptoms but I have learned to accept them and they will soon go away. Keeping active and distraction as in focusing on other things helps even though just now it's quite painful keeping active as a I have pain running down my leg due to sciatica.

 

[AnxiousJon]

I am trying to stick to the natural way, but what kind of drugs did you take? Zoloft? Do you think those drugs can also help our subconscious mind?

That is what is so powerful about them; you take a pill and your all the sudden(SSRI's take a few weeks) that which seemed HUGE seems like it should: a problem that needs to be either dealt with or ignored.

As I have Derealization every psychoactive substances need to be avoided.

• Medications. While there are no medications specifically approved to treat depersonalization-derealization disorder, certain medications that are used to treat depression and anxiety may help. Examples that have been shown to relieve symptoms include fluoxetine (Prozac), clomipramine (Anafranil) and clonazepam (Klonopin).

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depersonalization-derealization-disorder/basics/treatment/con-20033401

I think you are refering to this:

Even if you don't have depersonalization-derealization disorder, feelings of depersonalization or derealization can be triggered by:

• Having other mental health disorders, such as depression or anxiety
• Using substances, such as hallucinogens or marijuana
• Having physical or medical conditions, such as seizures or a head injury

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ion-disorder/basics/risk-factors/con-20033401

Drugs that treat anxiety are part of the cure, not the cause. Klonopin and other benzodiapines calm the GABAA receptors(works quickly), and SSRI's causes a buildup in your system of serotonin(works gradually). It is best to take the benzo the first couple days to just start one thing at a time so you know what is doing what, then the SSRI and the benzo together, then taper off at the rate your doctor recommends.

 

[Zorro!]

It can take a long time to "reprogram" your subconscious mind. After all, you didn't develop your current subconscious pathology overnight so you can't expect it to immediately change for the better. So, the message here is to be patient. But this doesn't mean you should sit back and expect your subconscious to change itself. You need to get counseling and/or learn techniques that will help you change the way your subconscious mind "thinks". As I understand it cognitive behavioral therapy is one way to change subconscious thoughts.

 

[Zora]

Thank you @Zorro! I am doing cognitive behavioral therapy since 4 months.

 

[AnxiousJon]

Thank you @Zorro! I am doing cognitive behavioral therapy since 4 months.

Treatment of depersonalization-derealization disorder is primarily psychological counseling, also called talk therapy. However, sometimes medications may be added to your treatment plan.
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...zation-disorder/basics/treatment/con-20033401

Also, just as a note:
People with anxiety are often afraid of taking meds, fearing side-effects. This is part of the effect of the distortion of the proportion of reality. The decision does have to be your own, but i would recommend it as the reassonable choice.

 

[just1morething]

So the thing is, I think that my T is not that bad. I mean its horrible and it sucks, but in comparison to other people I think my T is mild and I should be happy

@Zora, Could you post your audiogram?

 

[Zora]

@just1morething I dont have any hearing loss. And I dont have my audiogram. Sorry. Why would that be intresting?

 

[just1morething]

@just1morething I dont have any hearing loss. And I dont have my audiogram. Sorry. Why would that be intresting?

Well, usually hearing loss causes tinnitus according to ENT's. I just wanted to compare mine to yours is all.

 

[linearb]

meditation is useful to me, but, if you have a tendency to disassociate, it can definitely bring that feeling on pretty strongly. (Though, in my experience, anything that starts to tweak my perceptual knobs even slightly, can lead to derealization pretty fast). I guess I'd say that I've made peace with disassociation, so that doesn't bother me any more.

There is definitely a purely chemical edge to all this; after 5-10 minutes of meditation my vision gets weird and my pupils dilate.

My one foray into SSRIs as an adult, led me to believe that they are much, much worse from the DP/DR angle, than meditation is. I hate forced transitions of consciousness; I think meditation is overall a lot safer because whatever emerges is "natural".

If just counting your breath is too harsh for you, you could start with guided body scan meditations from youtube; the whole focus there is to make yourself feel grounded in your body, and having a tape to follow along with can be easier.

 

[AnxiousJon]

@linearb I have abhorred the idea of altering the mind with meds my whole life. I finally had to break down and do it though; such amazing results, though I don't have any experience in DP/DR.
Visualization seems like it could be a powerful tool to break through to realizations. Can you comment more on specific breakthroughs you have had, using visualization exercises in how you process/experience daily life?

 

[Florida John]

@linearb I have abhorred the idea of altering the mind with meds my whole life. I finally had to break down and do it though; such amazing results, though I don't have any experience in DP/DR.
Visualization seems like it could be a powerful tool to break through to realizations. Can you comment more on specific breakthroughs you have had, using visualization exercises in how you process/experience daily life?

which meds worked for you?