Can Drugs or Supplements Help Sound Distortions/Dysacusis?

Just throwing this out there...

Do you have noxacusis? Both NAD+ and CoQ10 are involved in ATP synthesis and cochlear purine (ATP) receptor sensitization of nerve fibers are involved in the pathogenesis of noxacusis. I might not go this route if I had noxacusis.

Loudness hyperacusis without noxacusis shouldn't have this problem. Or you could have a sensitivity to a binder or other common inactive ingredient in the supplements.
Well in my case, I'm pretty certain I have both noxacusis and loudness hyperacusis.

Until a week or so ago I had been taking NAD+ for two months. I didn't have any worsening, but I didn't have much improvement either.

Is it not possible that just because these molecules are involved in ATP synthesis, doesn't mean they necessarily contribute to further ATP leakage?
 
Well in my case, I'm pretty certain I have both noxacusis and loudness hyperacusis.

Until a week or so ago I had been taking NAD+ for two months. I didn't have any worsening, but I didn't have much improvement either.

Is it not possible that just because these molecules are involved in ATP synthesis, doesn't mean they necessarily contribute to further ATP leakage?
I think if you had active ATP leakage (i.e. especially acutely), more ATP produced would mean more available. However, there is nerve sensitization after the acute period. If you were really good at protecting yourself from sound, you'd have a much lower amount released (since it is part of normal hearing anyway) and it would probably make less of a difference. Release depends on loudness of sound (louder sounds need use energy in transmission).

It's all theoretical but it makes intuitive sense to me.
 
Btw, @Aaron91, can you describe your pain?

I have loudness hyperacusis at the moment as well as what i think is more like a TTTS pain. It responds to sound but it's not like (I don't think) intracochlear noxacusis.

I'm "lucky" enough to have had what I think is both. When I first got my ototoxicity, I had a brief few weeks of intense in the ear pain that did not radiate as much. It's deeper and stabbing (but not pulling with it like muscle contraction).
 
I'll look into CoQ10. Not hopeful it'll do anything though. I'm going to wait until I get bloodwork done in a few days before I get on anymore meds/supplements for now. I have other seriously debilitating health problems that may be linked to my tinnitus/hyperacusis so I will wait and see.
 
Decided to guinea pig myself the last three days. I am happy to say that something has definitely improved after starting CoQ10 (maybe 10%), but it could be a complete coincidence or down to the other supplements that I've been taking for the last month (namely Resveratrol with Curcumin and dark cacao). It's like the edge has been taken off a bit. First day I took 200mg, second day I took 400mg and a couple of hours ago I took 600mg. Tomorrow I'll go 800mg to match the dose from the anecdotal story above. Will report back again in a couple of weeks.

In the meantime, I'll be researching potential mechanisms of action just to get a better idea of what might be going on.
I also started CoQ10. I now take CoQ10, CBD, Theracurmin, Nicotinamide Riboside, and Fish Oil. I haven't noticed any obvious improvements. By the way, the following study showed that CoQ10 only helped tinnitus for those low on it -- otherwise, no effect.
 
Wow it's been one month since I started this thread. Sucks to say that I'm in a whole new level of hell now than I was when I started this thread.
 
My tinnitus seems worse since stopping supplements. I was taking Turmeric CoQ10 and Bromelin. I was on them for 2 weeks. It might've helped with my mid tones and beeping and general high pitched rings.

My thudding tinnitus was worse on it. My lightsaber tinnitus and morning drones got worse off it and was noticed after working out a couple days later.

I didn't notice much improvement while on it... might've done more harm than good, who knows.

Certainly nothing magical happened.
 
Btw, @Aaron91, can you describe your pain?

I have loudness hyperacusis at the moment as well as what i think is more like a TTTS pain. It responds to sound but it's not like (I don't think) intracochlear noxacusis.

I'm "lucky" enough to have had what I think is both. When I first got my ototoxicity, I had a brief few weeks of intense in the ear pain that did not radiate as much. It's deeper and stabbing (but not pulling with it like muscle contraction).
I always struggle to answer this question because I find the current terminology (loudness v. pain) to be quite troubling. I've recently been toying with the idea of starting a thread about this, and your question has now prompted me to do it. In that thread I will also attempt to answer your question as best as I can. As always, I would be grateful for your feedback.
 
I just read about a woman on Facebook who had great success with taking large doses of CoQ10 for her hyperacusis. She said her ENT told her to take 800 mg a day, and she said that she now "hardly has hyperacusis anymore." She also stopped taking the large doses once her hyperacusis got better, and she has sustained her improvements.

I sure wish I had had a knowledgeable ENT to recommend this when my hyperacusis was acute. I think I'll still try it anyway to see if it helps at all. Looking online, it's not unheard of to take such large doses for different conditions.
I wonder what her hyperacusis type was, how long she had it, how severe it was, and how long it took to improve. In the interest of being consistent, I think TRT "working" is almost always just time. It's fair to wonder the same thing here.
 
I always struggle to answer this question because I find the current terminology (loudness v. pain) to be quite troubling. I've recently been toying with the idea of starting a thread about this, and your question has now prompted me to do it. In that thread I will also attempt to answer your question as best as I can. As always, I would be grateful for your feedback.
When I think about noxacusis, I picture noises causing like a burning or stabbing sensation. Technically speaking, I have such severe loudness hyperacusis that if I were to (for example) talk in a normal voice for a few seconds, my head would start hurting. I've also gotten facial pain in my cheeks. I don't consider this to be noxacusis though. I think noxacusis is primarily something where it's reasonable to believe that the issue is type II afferent sensitization.

I agree though. There are so many hearing problems that it's confusing.
 
When I think about noxacusis, I picture noises causing like a burning or stabbing sensation. Technically speaking, I have such severe loudness hyperacusis that if I were to (for example) talk in a normal voice for a few seconds, my head would start hurting. I've also gotten facial pain in my cheeks. I don't consider this to be noxacusis though. I think noxacusis is primarily something where it's reasonable to believe that the issue is type II afferent sensitization.

I agree though. There are so many hearing problems that it's confusing.
The interesting question is whether the stabbing and the burning are two different mechanisms. The burning in my case also radiates to the direction of my cheeks, suggesting irritation of the trigeminal nerve (this seems to be common in pain hyperacusis). Interestingly some noises actually slightly trigger the nerves atop my upper teeth (like when you eat something extremely cold), not my ears. But once again, it's an area innervated by the trigeminal nerve. Also when I fiddle with my ears, which I have been doing essentially my whole life (it's a bad habit), there is a sensation of warmness that lingers for some time. So to summarise, the nerves around my ears, mainly the trigeminal nerve is sensitized.

I wonder if, in order to reduce this sensitization, I would also have to stop fiddling with my ear or use earplugs/earmuffs (as they also cause sensation in the area). So not only avoid loud noise, but also physical "irritation".

I do have stabbing too though but the burning is more prominent to me.
 
Well guys, I went to the gym and wore earplugs when I was lifting and my tinnitus instantly spiked. Now my distortions are much worse an hour after. Shit. I am correct, earplugs while lifting heavy is what causes the distortions and hyperacusis for me.

Anybody have any ideas? This sucks. I was kind of habituated, now everything is beeping like crazy.
 
@vermillion, are you still with us? I ask because of how you described your distortions. I am developing the same at the moment, unfortunately.
 

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