Can Earplugs and Earmuffs Cause Harm?

Applejuice

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I was wondering since I noticed my second T (low frequency buzz) after I used my printer and had earplugs (a bit oiled up) plus earmuffs on when using my printer. I'm trying to figure out if that was the cause or not.

I put them in correctly, slowly and pulled them out slowly (buy they were a bit wet of the oil so minor suction when pulling out) and the earmuffs also had a bit of suction when I removed them. Nothing really serious though. I did have any physical discomfort as I remembered but I noticed a buzzing sound almost immediately.

So the thing is, could this have caused trauma (barotrauma for example) causing the second T?

My Eustachian tubes weren't checked so I don't know if they work correctly, sometimes I feel pressure in my ears but that's not often and they are irritated after using plugs. I got custom fit plugs now but now I'm afraid to use them. I figured you know more than my doctor and I want to rule this out as a possible cause.
 
Once I got a spike lasting several hours after I pulled out my 3M earplugs a little too fast...

the earmuffs also had a bit of suction when I removed them
What earmuffs are you using? My 3M Peltor muffs don't do that. It sounds like your muffs offer more protection...
 
I sometimes touch a bit too hard the filter of my premolds which make me peak my ears as well..
 
Just double-checking...when you take the earplugs out (at least if they are foam ones), you do twist them as you pull them out slowly, right? As I take foam earplugs out if I can't get a good twist on them I pause, wait a moment (partly for the foam to expand again after pinching it; and partly to collect myself so I don't rush the process) and try again, ensuring that I only remove them if they are twisting. I would think that if you remove them and don't feel pain as you take them out then no harm was done...that is just my opinion. But there have been times when I wonder, did I do any damage by taking them out a bit too fast or something...but I don't think I ever really have. Also, when removing ear muffs I generally twist those forward or backward as I take them off...this might not be as big of a deal, but I do it anyway. I've never had oil on my earplugs as you say...is that to make them easier to put in and take out? Good luck :)
 
It was advise from my ent (oil) against irritatiom and I think earwax. I used silicone based plugs but did not twist them when I pulled them out but I was really careful.
 
Gotcha. I have no experience with silicone earplugs so you already know more about those than I do. I assume they are the moldable silicone putty style....I do have custom fit earplugs (with changeable filters) which may technically be silicone or a similar material. You mentioned custom fit ones too, yeah, I never had an issue with removing those. I guess I also give them a little twist as I take them out.

I hope you discover what you need for your earplugs and such. Even more so I hope your tinnitus gets more manageable and your ears recover in some way.

Blessings.
 
Thanks. They weren't moldable but have 3 of those cone shaped things so they are a bit more flexible.

I hope that the problem isn't related though and I hope that the hum I'm hearing is s frequency and not bloodflow. I don't know how to spot the difference though.
 
I put them in correctly, slowly and pulled them out slowly (buy they were a bit wet of the oil so minor suction when pulling out) and the earmuffs also had a bit of suction when I removed them. Nothing really serious though. I did have any physical discomfort as I remembered but I noticed a buzzing sound almost immediately.

@Applejuice

When ear protection is used correctly they can be very helpful. However, using earplugs, ear defenders and earmuffs to suppress normal everyday sounds as some of the people on this thread and elsewhere in this forum advise, is just going to exacerbate and prolong your problem of sensitivity to sound. If you want your tinnitus and hyperacusis to improve, I suggest that you get tests carried out on your auditory system and if the tests show no abnormalities. IE no underlying medical problem causing your tinnitus or sensitivity to sound; then get a referral to a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist who's trained in the management of tinnitus. Various treatments are available. Unless your tinnitus and hyperacusis are treated they will always remain a problem and the overuse of ear protection will make your symptoms worse. Sorry to sound so sobering.

Please click on the links below and read my articles that you mind find helpful.
All the best
Michael
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/hyperacusis-as-i-see-it.19174/
 
@Michael Leigh
Thanks for your reply. I was actually using less earplugs and earmuffs and this was the first time I used them together.

I had just been to the ENT 5 days before this low buzz came to me and the normal audio test does not show abnormalities as I don't have hearing loss. I called him last week on the phone but his assistent told me that he did not have time for me and I got redirected to an audiologist, who did not have anything to say about my new sound except for that I need to talk to a psychiatrist.

My doctor was already frowning on my first T and did not even want to send me to an ENT in the first place.

I'm already getting used to this sound but still I would like to know what it is.
 
@Applejuice
You have have had tinnitus for a very short time and as tests have shown there is no underlying medical problem. This is probably the reason your GP and ENT doctor want to leaves this for a while as you are likely to habituate to your tinnitus and it could go away in time. Many ENT doctors prefer seeing a tinnitus patient after they've had tinnitus for 6 months sometimes longer, providing they are not experiencing addtional problems. Please read my post:Tinnitus and Mental Health, it will explain more.
I advise you to follow my suggestions in my above post and the links that I have given you. If you become overly obsessed with tinnitus (I don't mean to be personal) it can become a problem and this is reason you have been advised to talk to a psychiatrist. Unfortunately, unless the psychiatrist has tinnitus or has experience of it the help will be limited. In my opinion, you need to talk with a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist who's trained in tinntus management and the perception of it. These health professionals often have tinnitus. Counselling is what you need in my opinon but it needs to be with a tinntius specialist. Please read my post: Tinnitus and Mental Health. Click on mhy "started threads" or look under "support" in this forum.

All the best
Michael
 
@Michael Leigh
Thanks again. I have called a TRT centre so I have to mail them now. I will read your articles yet again.

I'm already getting used to this new sound but I want to know if the sound I'm hearing is a frequency buzz or vascular sound. The frequence is really low, it wobbles irregulary but all my my sounds are constantly moving or sometimes dipping, the volume is different from time to time and it seems to switch ears (sometimes right, then left, next time in centre) and it has spiked twice.
 
Thanks again. I have called a TRT centre so I have to mail them now. I will read your articles yet again.
I'm already getting used to this new sound but I want to know if the sound I'm hearing is a frequency buzz or vascular sound. The frequence is really low, it wobbles irregulary but all my my sounds are constantly moving or sometimes dipping, the volume is different from time to time and it seems to switch ears (sometimes right, then left, next time in centre) and it has spiked twice.

It is your choice what you want to do @Applejuice but I think you should be careful and not spend too much money at this moment on tinnitus. As I said you're in the very early stages of it and believe me, I know how stressful it can make a person feel. A mild antidepressant or something like St John's Wort can help relieve stress. Just be careful. Tinnitus changes a lot in the early weeks and months of onset and there's not a lot one can do about this. The best treatment for tinnitus in the early stages, is to leave it alone. Read my articles in the link I sent you and the good advice given by members in this forum because it's free of cost.

All the best
Michael
 
It is your choice what you want to do @Applejuice but I think you should be careful and not spend too much money at this moment on tinnitus. As I said you're in the very early stages of it and believe me, I know how stressful it can make a person feel. A mild antidepressant or something like St John's Wort can help relieve stress. Just be careful. Tinnitus changes a lot in the early weeks and months of onset and there's not a lot one can do about this. The best treatment for tinnitus in the early stages, is to leave it alone. Read my articles in the link I sent you and the good advice given by members in this forum because it's free of cost.

All the best
Michael
Thanks for your advice, I have mailed them just to see what my options are but I will keep your advice in mind. But this addition to my T is natural then? How can I figure out that it is not a vascular T but a normal frequency? Any tips?

ps. I'm stressing a lot less now btw. Luckily I got rid of my anxiety. But this new sound, exactly 2 months after the initial T is not really stimulating.

On a positive note, my initial T seems to be less loud now and my initial left ear spike has not returned since this new sound emerged. So I got that going for me.
 
addition to my T is natural then? How can I figure out that it is not a vascular T but a normal frequency? Any tips?
ps. I'm stressing a lot less now btw. Luckily I got rid of my anxiety. But this new sound, exactly 2 months after the initial T is not really stimulating.

Hi @Applejuice

Your concerns regarding your tinnitus are common with people new to this condition and I advise you to try and relax although I know it isn't easy. The tests on your auditory system so far have revealed no abnormalities. Therefore, if I were you I'd try not to concern myself with this new sound being vascular or otherwise but just to go with the flow and in time things will calm down. The onset of my tinnitus 21 years ago, I had a cacophony of sounds to deal with like many others in this forum. Please read my article: Tinnitus, A Personal View, and pay particular attention to the positivity documents within it: Positivity and tinnitus.

I am pasting below my posts: Tinnitus and Mental Health, for anyone on this thread that is new to tinnitus and stressed by it. I am also including: New to tinnitus what to do?

Things will improve Applejuice just give it time. If you are not using sound enrichment at night then I advise you to do so, using a sound machine. Play throughout the night until morning keeping the volume low.

Michael


Tinnitus and mental health.

Type tinnitus into any search engine and you will see links to thousands of websites. They will explain its symptoms, causes and a variety of treatments that are available in the medical field. It seems everyone is catered for, because there is no shortage of information on alternative medicine or natural remedies for anyone wanting to pursue these routes. Those new to tinnitus sometimes feel isolated by it and therefore, it might be comforting to read, that millions of people around the world experience this condition and most learn to live with it.

Reassuring as this seems, learning to live with tinnitus and getting to a point where one accepts it and is not troubled by noise is easier said than done for some people. The reason being, the habituation process can be a mysterious one with many twists and turns along its path. Just when you think you've got a handle on it and a corner has been turned. A spike or the sudden introduction of a new sound can be a stark reminder that you haven't quite reached there yet. This is particularly true for those new to the condition and similarly, for anyone that has been seasoned to it for a while and noticed a resurgence in intensity for one reason or another.

Since the majority of people learn to live with tinnitus it is reasonable to assume the condition stays relatively mild or moderate for them most of the time. Therefore, it might not always be necessary to see the GP. If it does, a consultation will usually allay any fears that there is nothing drastically wrong. Providing no pain is experienced in the ears and there is no problem with balance, dizziness or deafness, patients are usually told it's tinnitus and they will get used to it. However, nothing is for certain as we are all different. It is not uncommon for some people to be feeling stressed or anxious by the noise in the early stages. A light sedation or an antidepressant can often help a person to cope until the tinnitus settles down and one habituates. A referral to ENT for tests might be recommend just to make sure everything is as it should be and there are no signs of hearing loss which can cause tinnitus.

If there are no additional symptoms as mentioned above, when does it become necessary to seek more professional help for tinnitus if habituation is proving to be difficult? There is no definite time frame for this, although someone new to the condition a period of up to six months perhaps a little longer, is considered an acceptable amount of time to habituate. A lot depends on one's personality and emotional makeup. If they find coping with daily life too difficult, this can increase stress and affect their mental well being and this needs to be kept in check. Although an antidepressant can help a person not to become too down, some people are averse to taking them and prefer to go it alone, which isn't always the best choice.

My opinion on this is that tinnitus and a person's mental health are integrated. The more stressed we become the more intrusive the tinnitus will be and vice versa. Anything that helps to relax us will usually have a positive impact on the tinnitus and make it more tolerable. Counselling with Hearing Therapist or Audiologist trained in tinnitus management can be of immense help and should be considered.

The therapist discusses with the patient how the tinnitus makes them feel and how it has impacted on their life. Often people say they have lost interest in the things they once liked doing, which is understandable. Those they are close to particularly loved one's don't understand what they are going through which can put a lot to strain on a relationship. Talk therapy can help a person to look at life differently and with a more positive outlook. Over time the negative thinking that is often associated with tinnitus is gradually dispelled and demystified. The therapist does this in a controlled and precise manner so that the patient feels relaxed and not pressured. In many instances the tinnitus is gradually pushed further into the background making it less prominent. I believe tinnitus counselling with or without medication can go a long way in helping a person to have a better quality of life.

Michael

PS: When someone with tinnitus is referred for counselling, I believe this is best done with a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist who has been trained in the management of tinnitus. Often these people have tinnitus or experienced it at some time in their life. Therefore, they will have a depth of understanding and be able to empathize with a patient rather than someone who is just a counsellor, psychotherapist or psychiatrist with no experience of tinnitus.

People have contacted me who have been referred to the health professionals I have mentioned, and the first thing they have been told: I know nothing about tinnitus.

New to tinnitus what to do?

The onset of loud intrusive tinnitus can be very traumatic for most people. I use the words loud and intrusive, because tinnitus comes in many forms and intensities. When it is mild, moderate or occasionally heard in quiet surroundings it is usually not too bothersome and a person can go about their daily affairs quite happily and unperturbed by this anomaly. This type of tinnitus usually comes on gradually and in some cases it's associated with hearing loss, as we get older and the usual treatment is the wearing of hearing aid/s.

Tinnitus can be caused by other things: an underlining medical problem, build up of ear wax (cerumen). Jaw problems. Some medications and even irregular blood flow through the body causing Pulsatile tinnitus. There are a plethora of other conditions that can be responsible. However, the most common cause is exposure to loud noise or music that has been played at high levels causing some damage to the cochlear in the inner ear.

This type of tinnitus can be loud, intrusive and very debilitating. Often leaving a person at a loss and not knowing which way to turn to escape the nightmare that has suddenly come upon them. Your Dr has probably told you, it's tinnitus and nothing can be done, you'll just have to learn to live with it. I remember those words as if it were yesterday resonating through my mind and thinking, live with this for the rest of my life, impossible. So I fully understand how difficult it can be for someone new to this condition to take this in and believe it to be factual.

If you are having difficulty sleeping you might have been advised to try a night time sedation or an ant-depressant to help cope with the stress and anxiety that often accompanies tinnitus. These medications can be helpful especially in the early stages and they don't have to be taken long term, so it's something to consider. They can act as a safety net so you don't become too down.

A referral to ENT will usually be recommended. In the mean time try to keep occupied with something you like doing, as it helps to distract the brain from focusing on the tinnitus. Avoiding quiet rooms during the day by playing low level non intrusive music such as classical in the background can be helpful.

At night a sound machine placed by the bedside playing nature sounds or listening to favourite mp3 tracks or Cds are good. Keeping the volume just below the tinnitus is ideal and set to play throughout the night until morning. It takes time to get used to sound therapy so please stay with it. Whilst in a deep sleep it supplies the brain and auditory system with sound enrichment. Over time the tinnitus is pushed further into the background helping to make its perception less noticeable during waking hours.

In the early stages of tinnitus, if one chooses not to use sound enrichment sleeping can sometimes be difficult and there's also the chance of the tinnitus becoming more intrusive as sleeping in a quiet room can allow the brain to increase it's own background activity. In doing so it will also increase the tinnitus making it more intrusive during waking hours.

There is a tendency for newbies to try and cure their tinnitus which is quite understandable. There are many remedies, treatments and concoctions out there. Some affordable others quite expensive. I am not adverse to trying to help myself but want to say, there are charlatans and con artists eager to relieve someone in distress of their money so please be careful. Even tried and tested treatments I wouldn't recommend a person try until they have been seen at ENT. Often a person after been seen at ENT is advised to wait a while.

The reason being. Many people habituate to tinnitus within six months sometimes a little longer and it has been known to go away. The ear is a very delicate organ and many Drs prefer to wait before investigating further and then suggesting a treatment. If other problems are experienced such as: pain in the ears, deafness, dizziness or balance problems this is of more concern and a person will usually been seen quicker.

It is best to have a word with your GP if you're feeling stressed or depressed in any way, as previously mentioned there are treatments available. Leaving things alone until ENT advise you of the next step is the best thing to do in my opinion. Don't try to fix anything or throw large sums of money at treatments that you have no way of knowing whether you'll get any relief.

It is not advisable to listen to audio through headphones even at low volume and keep away from loud sounds. By all means go out but anywhere that plays loud music then wear noise reducing earplugs.
Take things slowly and one day at a time. Read some of the positivity threads and ask other members for advice. Many people eventually habituate to their tinnitus and go on to lead a happy and fulfilling life even though it may take a little time.

Michael
 
When you push in or take out earplugs that create a seal, you cause an increase in pressure (or suction/decrease in pressure, respectively) on the eardrum/ossicles attached to the eardrum (which make up your "middle ear"). Basically this action causes very mild barotrauma. For most people this doesn't matter, they can insert/remove sealing earplugs or headphones hundreds or thousands of times and never notice anything. But for some people, like me, and maybe you, this creates a tinnitus which doesn't resolve until the underlying mechanical (of the eardrum or ossicles, or maybe even something of the inner ear, who knows!!) change heals. The tone (for me, 1220hz/1275hz/1340hz/1420hz, that sometimes alternate in a morse-code like fashion) used to last a few minutes for me, but with every subsequent pressure/suction (especially if it occurred before the previous one had fully healed), the duration increases. Currently I'm at about a month for a full heal!

If you have any questions, let me know. If you are experiencing fundamentally the same thing as I am, I'd love to help in any way I can, and I'd love to have any more information of your situation you can provide. I'm continuously trying to build my understanding of this thing/come up with testable theories of how it works/what worsens it/what improves it, so I can live with it better.

The one thing I am quite sure about is it's an objective and/or somatic tinnitus produced by the mechanic damage to... whichever. My tinnitus tones for this particular issue, unlike some other tinnitus I have, interact harmonically (not sure thats the right word) with closely matched tones — I can make it wobble or sometimes negate it entirely if I get the frequency/phase just right.
 

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