Can I Go to a Dancing Show without Earplugs?

[Zinnia]

NO I am totally kidding, I did use the earplugs. So there were 1 hour dance at 1 pm and then a second one at 6 pm. It did not sound too loud, now my T is a little louder but this feels like a normal spike

Haha funny guy That's great that you wore them. I was wondering how it went for you.

 

[Apocalypse77]

I will tell when the spike will go down. Or even if it will, maybe it won't.

 

[Tom Cnyc]

I will tell when the spike will go down. Or even if it will, maybe it won't.

It's highly unlikely you have a spike from sound if you wore plugs.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I will tell when the spike will go down. Or even if it will, maybe it won't.

You would be better off if it were to not go down. It looks like you need a daily reminder that it is a good idea to try to actively reduce the risk you are being exposed to. Until you get that reminder, you will feel compelled to act recklessly increasing your chance of a Serious permanent spike. In any case, I hope that you will keep doing what you have been doing.

 

[Apocalypse77]

You would be better off if it were to not go down

Oh, I would be better without listening to your opinions. I ignored you. Bye!

 

[Bill Bauer]

I hope that if (when?) your T gets louder, you won't be embarrassed and share this with us, to allow others to learn from your mistakes.

Bye!

The next time you are unsure whether or not to do something, please take the risk. This will show me!

Bye.

 

[Apocalypse77]

I am sorry @Bill Bauer I just got mad at your pessimistic ideology.

Let me explain:
I had been training for the dance show for over a month and in my country it is a huge deal, I wanted/had to be a part of it.

Last year I was watching my brothers show and the music did not bother my ears, and this year the music was quieter and I also used esrplugs. I am 60 % sure this spike is temporary. If I had to guess I would say the music was about 85 decibels. Definitely not more than 90 db.

I hope that if (when?) your T gets louder, you won't be embarrassed and share this with us

I am going to share it, but it is unlikely not going to happen. I am not going to attend concerts or any loud places. This dancing show was the only loud event that I have attended this year. And I think it was worth it. I would have hated myself more if I would not have ever attended it.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I just got mad at your pessimistic ideology.

My intention has never been to make anyone mad or upset. I honestly believe that some of your choices carry a lot of risk. My comments reflect this belief.

I had been training for the dance show for over a month

It sounds like you began training for it after you already had T.

I wanted/had to be a part of it.

There are many things that I feel like doing, that I end up not doing as the expected cost is below the expected benefit.

This dancing show was the only loud event that I have attended this year. And I think it was worth it.

You might be right - a one time event is Probably not going to cause a permanent spike. However, it could still happen. Imagine how you would hate yourself if you were to give yourself a permanent spike.

 

[Flamingo1]

@Bill Bauer There were many seasoned T sufferers on this thread who assured him that it would be okay to go with ear plugs. I do not think he made a mistake by going and took proper precautions by wearing earplugs. However, next time @Apocalypse77 measure the sound with a meter and limit your exposure accordingly. If it's over 85 dB, you shouldn't stay.

 

[Bill Bauer]

There were many seasoned T sufferers on this thread who assured him that it would be okay to go with ear plugs. I do not think he made a mistake by going

He has seen me post the links to the stories of people who found out the hard way that ear plugs provide a false sense of security. In case you haven't seen them, below are some of the links, but of course this is just the tip of an iceberg.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/earplugs-muffs-give-very-little-protection.21737/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-much-worse-after-club-despite-wearing-solid-35-db-custom-earplugs-—-im-at-my-wits-end.15744/#post-186018

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/bad-spike-not-subsiding-after-loud-bar-—-despite-wearing-properly-inserted-earplugs.20675/#post-239000

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...t-an-acoustic-trauma-shock.18964/#post-219363

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...le-in-real-life-situations.19067/#post-220314

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/33-decibel-earplug-not-protecting-from-sound.22151/

 

[Bill Bauer]

" iwholovemusic " had a spike for about 2 years after loud event . I remember he had posted this about 2-3 years ago .
He was also wearing ear plugs and ear muffs !
He used to call that spike " mega t" I had similar spike which was super super loud for 3-4 months .

It's been passed 3 month mark and I still have this annoying spike, the ear pain is gone but the spike remained.

My spike was due to going out to a bar/day drinking/brewery/lots of alcohol. Since that day my T has been screaming.

No live loud music, just a restaurant and a lot of people in it. I freaked when I woke up the next morning. I took Prednisone 7 days later and that made my ears hurt and constant ear pain, I then stopped and I felts the pitch was much much higher when taking Prednisone. Stopped Prednisone, waited about a month and pitch is what is is now. Loud. No Change. Now it's passed the three month mark and still with it. FML

 

[Flamingo1]

@Bill Bauer I think some of the people posting are young kids, like the author of this thread. I feel bad for them because they cannot fully enjoy being carefree and young like their peers. I agree that it's important that those with T (and without!!) always protect their ears and I understand what you are trying to convey. I'm just not sure that their reasoning power has fully developed yet

 

[Bill Bauer]

I'm just not sure that their reasoning power has fully developed yet

I try to lead by example and I also make sure I explain why I choose to do what I do...

 

[Flamingo1]

I try to lead by example and I also make sure I explain why I choose to do what I do...

Scaring them seems to tune them out. I don't know what the best approach is. Hopefully some of what you tell them will sink in.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Scaring them seems to tune them out.

If one is provided with all of the information one needs to make the right decision and he or she proceeds to ignore all of that information, then I don't feel sorry for them when their decision to ignore the information backfires. In fact, I confess I feel bad when it doesn't backfire. Just like I would feel bad if someone were to do all of the right things and still get hurt, I would feel bad if someone were to act recklessly and then Not get hurt. I know that I shouldn't feel this way, but I can't help myself.

 

[AZeurotuner]

It's not like

He has seen me post the links to the stories of people who found out the hard way that ear plugs provide a false sense of security. In case you haven't seen them, below are some of the links, but of course this is just the tip of an iceberg.

You know Bill you can find horror stories for literally every single thing we do in life, hell people slip fall and die in their bathrooms every year. You seem to rely heavily on your "horror stories" to leverage your claims on all the various noises and activities tinnitus sufferers should avoid, "a few people had a bad experience doing this so you're fool for doing so yourself". People die every year from car accidents, unknown food allergies, medications, slipping in the bathroom etc... So should we just stop driving, stop eating, not take any more medicine ever again, not shower, refrain from any and everything that could have a negative outcome? No, what you do is access the situation, consider potential risks, and if you decide to proceed you take every precaution necessary to mitigate possible risks. EVERYTHING worth doing in life carries risks, a life without risks is not much of a life.

 

[Bill Bauer]

No, what you do is access the situation, consider potential risks, and if you decide to proceed you take every precaution necessary to mitigate possible risks.

There is a recent thread where most posters agree that T is the Worst thing that had Ever Happened to them in their entire Life. Most risks are about trivial things (e.g., lose some money, get punched in the face, etc). I think that T can be worse than Death (in other words at some volume/pitch level, death becomes clearly a preferable option).

Also, since those horror stories appear on a weekly (and often daily) basis, my guess is that the risk is something like 1-5% (and probably a lot higher in the long run for people who keep taking the risk). Another thing to keep in mind is that we might be talking about hearing silence again vs. having T stay at the present level. It is possible that a larger fraction of people who protect their ears end up hearing silence again, compared to the fraction of brave people who get to hear silence again.

In any case, I doubt that many people would take a risk of being burned alive for a prolonged period of time if the probability of that happening were to be 1-5%. This is what T is to me - being slowly burned alive for the rest of one's life. And this is why I think that it makes sense to not take any chances when it comes to something important (life-changing) like T.

 

[AZeurotuner]

There is a recent thread where most posters agree that T is the Worst thing that had Ever Happened to them in their entire Life. Most risks are about trivial things (e.g., lose some money, get punched in the face, etc). I think that T can be worse than Death (in other words at some volume/pitch level, death becomes clearly a preferable option).

Also, since those horror stories appear on a weekly (and often daily) basis, my guess is that the risk is something like 1-5% (and probably a lot higher in the long run for people who keep taking the risk). Another thing to keep in mind is that we might be talking about hearing silence again vs. having T stay at the present level. It is possible that a larger fraction of people who protect their ears end up hearing silence again, compared to the fraction of brave people who get to hear silence again.

In any case, I doubt that many people would take a risk of being burned alive for a prolonged period of time if the probability of that happening were to be 1-5%. This is what T is to me - being slowly burned alive for the rest of one's life. And this is why I think that it makes sense to not take any chances when it comes to something important (life-changing) like T.

I think it would much more responsible and reasonable to tell newbies something along the lines of "For the first 6 months, avoid all loud noise, if tinnitus has noticeably lowered in volume, try another 6 months". Because if your T is the same after 6 months.... It ain't disappearing. Protecting your ears indefinitely by isolating yourself from the world hoping for some kind of miracle isn't healthy and will lead to all sorts of other problems.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I think it would much more responsible and reasonable to tell newbies something along the lines of "For the first 6 months, avoid all loud noise, if tinnitus has noticeably lowered in volume, try another 6 months". Because if your T is the same after 6 months.... It ain't disappearing. Protecting your ears indefinitely by isolating yourself from the world hoping for some kind of miracle isn't healthy and will lead to all sorts of other problems.

One could make T louder. I think it is a good idea to avoid concerts and other loud places for the rest of one's life. But of course eventually (after a year or two) it is a good idea to gradually reintroduce moderate noises into one's life.

In any case, I agree with many of the things that you wrote above. If it relentlessly stays at the same level for 6-12 months, it is probably not going anywhere.

 

[AZeurotuner]

One could make T louder. I think it is a good idea to avoid concerts and other loud places for the rest of one's life. But of course eventually (after a year or two) it is a good idea to gradually reintroduce moderate noises into one's life.

In any case, I agree with many of the things that you wrote above. If it relentlessly stays at the same level for 6-12 months, it is probably not going anywhere.

Concerts and nightclubs... Definitely, but events such as dance recitals aren't going to be nearly as loud, ear plugs should provide adequate protection in this case. I'm not advocating recklessness, what I'm getting at is that not all loud noises need to be avoided, protect your ears and have fun within reason.

 

[Bill Bauer]

events such as dance recitals aren't going to be nearly as loud

I see what you mean. You are most likely right. It would make sense to stay away from that stuff soon after the onset of T, but eventually one might want to get back to it.