Chit Chat and All That...

[MindOverMatter]

@El BUZZ, 24/7 mate. But that won't stop us from living, right?

How is your boxing practice going?

 

[Joe Cuber]

That's really interesting @UKBloke! If you have the stickers handy, I'd like to read up on it. I had suspected my tinnitus is related to inflammation. And my cortisol is haywire. Is your tinnitus somatic? I can modulate it with my jaw and neck.

 

[El BUZZ]

Hi @El BUZZ - Interesting tea info! I drink a lot of tea, not limited to green tea, depending on my mood. Question: Did you mean to be steeping the same wet tea leaves, 2nd, 3rd time after the 1st brew (repeats up to half an hour?)

Japanese teapots are customarily small and we have evolved to the "king-size" American way, due to busy fast-paced lifestyle using large mugs on-the-go, often larger than your Japanese teapots (which is why many end up in 2nd hand-stores).

Any modification tips for larger cups and still get the same quality benefits?

Japanese green tea is all about concentrated flavors. An ideal cup should not exceed 60 ml.

A tiny teapot will ensure many factors being properly achieved. First, control over temperature. The less the air inside the teapot, the more stable the temperature in there. If there were more air inside the teapot, the temperature would cool down faster and what you want is the same temperature along the whole brewing process. Then, aromas and flavors return in an easier more concentrated way when trapped in a small vessel.

Also, teapot should be tiny but not too much, as leaves need to open fully during the brewing in order to release all their properties. A 160/180 ml teapot is perfect if you want to prepare sencha/kabusecha for one or two people.

Then there's the popular belief of clay (when it's a Japanese clay) absorbing flavors with time, making further teas more delicious. My personal opinion is that if this happens, it is in a looong time, but at the same time my advice is to brew just one type of tea in a teapot. Never brew black where you brewed green, etc...

Regarding repeated brewings with the same leaves, don't wait more than half an hour between brewings, otherwise your tea will be too astringent.

And for the modification of the cup, trust me, you will never achieve something similar to the real deal with any other tools. I recognize it may sound snob but unfortunately it's like that, although having to get an original Tokoname teapot is a very enjoyable shopping journey.

 

[El BUZZ]

@El BUZZ, 24/7 mate. But that won't stop us from living, right?

How is your boxing practice going?

Dearest mate, never stop living, we owe it to ourselves. It's not easy but out of the two most precious factors which configure existence, health and time, we're still in full possession of one. The one which is full of unknown turns. We don't know where we will be tomorrow and I want to feel that I've lived a life with the tools I've been given. There's people out there playing this life game with way worse cards. I train even when in the darkest times. Why? Because when I feel better tinnituswise I harvest the fruits of not having given up.

My boxing training is going super fine. Now I'm in another city during summer and there's not any boxing club here but I've reluctantly joined a fitness gym. I'm nicely surprised and I'm training like a lunatic to improve my cardio and stamina. I train 6 days a week. Rowing machine, ski machine, that cycle from hell which has a kind of fan instead of a wheel, weight lifting, LOTS of treadmill and plyometrics. This next September I have to do a lot of boxing sparring with a mate who is going to make his professional debut, so I want to be at the peak of my performance.

 

[ZFire]

I don't hear it in the shower. Is anyone else's masked in the shower?

Most of the time, no.

Been reading a few more articles recently on the inflammation theory that suggest this can happen within various nerve networks around the inner ear and may play a role in the tinnitus percept (and even hyperacusis signalling back through the trigeminal).

Kind of makes sense especially with things like say, changing cortisol levels, that might explain why some days (or even weeks) tinnitus is crazy and non-maskable and other days not.

This would explain why I get erratic fluctuations in tinnitus severity. In the last 1 and half week, tinnitus was extremely intrusive for me. Today has been pretty "decent" now. I notice a significant difference in tinnitus precept and the intrusive reactive tones are not as prevalent (for a while at least). Last month I had almost a week straight of consecutive "good" days. There's definitely something to this inflammation theory.

If you could direct me to these articles, that'd be nice.

 

[MindOverMatter]

I train even when in the darkest times. Why? Because when I feel better tinnituswise I harvest the fruits of not having given up.

100% agree! I'm the same. Not only that, but having a good physique makes life easier to cope with in general as mind and body connects.

Keep up the good work, and make your boxing sparring sweat!

 

[UKBloke]

Most of the time, no.

This would explain why I get erratic fluctuations in tinnitus severity. In the last 1 and half week, tinnitus was extremely intrusive for me. Today has been pretty "decent" now. I notice a significant difference in tinnitus precept and the intrusive reactive tones are not as prevalent (for a while at least). Last month I had almost a week straight of consecutive "good" days. There's definitely something to this inflammation theory.

If you could direct me to these articles, that'd be nice.

@Aaron91 made an interesting post here the other day, referencing Arnaud Norena's work. There's mention too of histamine inflammation in relation to the middle ear, which is interesting.

General articles about cortisol regulation of inflammation can be useful too as well I think because if inflammation around relevant nerve pathways in the face/head (but away from the middle ear) were responsible for varying the tinnitus precept then in some respects this could also feed into the same method of action Susan Shore talks about regarding somatosensory modulation. In other words, modulating tinnitus by applying pressure to a nerve - either through inflammation or gurning!

Norena's, Integrative Model Accounting for the Symptom Cluster Triggered After an Acoustic Shock, paper is a good read where he starts to tie all this stuff together. He also gave a short interview for Tinnitus Hub here tha's a very useful overview of the work he's involved in.

 

[UKBloke]

That's really interesting @UKBloke! If you have the stickers handy, I'd like to read up on it. I had suspected my tinnitus is related to inflammation. And my cortisol is haywire. Is your tinnitus somatic? I can modulate it with my jaw and neck.

Sorry Joe, didn't see the notification for this. Various links in post 6727 above.

My tinnitus is somatic yea. Same as you, can modulate with neck and jaw (but this tends to really whack the volume up so I try and avoid experimenting with that too much!)

 

[Joeseph Stope]

I'd love you not having to choose just because you weren't in this forum and never had heard what tinnitus is, mate.

Fck this sht!!!

There are times shower masks mine but I mainly can hear it there. I'm going through a nightmarish spike for a week now and I can hear it crystal clear even with the shower full force.

Well mine has been continuous since the early nineties. But do I hear it 24/7/365 if I take the action of listening to it. But the game is, or so I thought, to try to get on with the main event and not listen to it.

Things like loud trucks and buses passing by, electric drills, ambulance sirens drive it up... I think this is reactive tinnitus...

What I have to say is that since this COVID-19 appeared my tinnitus appears much louder and more intrusive.

After getting my COVID-19 booster (Moderna this time) it got louder again. But they say everyone is getting COVID-19 now -- C'est la dernier rage! Pardon my French... so as to whether it's the vaccine or the real thing that's driving my tinnitus, I just can't tell.

 

[El BUZZ]

Well mine has been continuous since the early nineties. But do I hear it 24/7/365 if I take the action of listening to it. But the game is, or so I thought, to try to get on with the main event and not listen to it.

Things like loud trucks and buses passing by, electric drills, ambulance sirens drive it up... I think this is reactive tinnitus...

What I have to say is that since this COVID-19 appeared my tinnitus appears much louder and more intrusive.

After getting my COVID-19 booster (Moderna this time) it got louder again. But they say everyone is getting COVID-19 now -- C'est la dernier rage! Pardon my French... so as to whether it's the vaccine or the real thing that's driving my tinnitus, I just can't tell.

What initially triggered your tinnitus?

 

[Joeseph Stope]

What initially triggered your tinnitus?

If I was to give you a short and automatic reply I would say... noise damage. I was in a loud workplace at the time it first appeared. I can recall waking in the early morning around 05:00 or 06:00 and hearing this very faint high-pitched sound. I looked the room and couldn't figure out where it was coming or what was the cause -- so I went back to sleep again. Next morning same time, same thing, but this time curiosity had taken hold of me and I set out systematically to find the source of the noise. The Radio? No -- switched off. The lights? Likewise... Anything electric? No, nothing besides the light and the radio. Ahh! It's the wind playing in the telegraph wires outside! But not that either -- the branches of the trees were absolutely still on a beautiful summer's morning. So I concluded that the sound was coming from inside my head. Tinnitus? What's that! Never heard of it. And I got up and went back to work etc. etc. Towards the end of the week I decided to visit the doctor as it was getting louder -- after all I pay for my insurance. Right? There the doctor told me: "They can put a man on the moon but they can't get rid of a noise in your head." I guess that was the first stop in a long journey which included hospital, ENTs, a jaw doctor, a Kur-Ort, ...

I will mention that TRT was something that gave me some comfort. I realize that it's not for everyone.

But if I was to take a long view I'd say that I think there could be more to the cause. I call to mind one doctor in the United States who was saying a few words about back-pain:

He ventured the opinion that people with back pain might develop the problem through damage inflicted slowly through the years... that the bones or nerves in their back get slowly worn out rather than just one bad incident... and it could be a bit of both.

Well transferring that idea to hearing damage tinnitus I have to say that over the years of loud discos, getting the odd wallop on the ear in some dispute and watching fireworks... it must have all taken a toll. On top of that as a young fellow and a teenager I had to swallow a lot of pills for lung problems. Did that have an effect? One thing for sure is that in my twenties I had very sensitive hearing and used to wear earplugs in the discos. I never understood then what it was all about.

Ah! Another point: About two to three months before the onset of my tinnitus I got this terrible throat infection and the good doctor gave me some strong antibiotic for it. Never had one so bad. I put my fingers down my throat and it felt like there was a bunch of grapes down there. Did that contribute?

Oh and I was having my fair share of negative stress at the time. Holding down a difficult job, filling in tax returns etc. etc.

Ah yes. I also had the bad luck to get my teeth done by this terrible dentist who seemed to be from the backwoods of Romania Upps... Sorry Aura...

It could be one of those things orthe sum of all of them. The confounding thing is that I felt quite healthy and full of energy... except for this obscure high pitched noise... which kept getting louder and louder and louder and louder and...

Of late, COVID-19 or the vaccines may have brought my tinnitus more to the forefront.

I hope this helps. Or maybe misery loves company?

Just to end on a positive note. The doctors have come up with a cure for Sickle Cell Aneamia -- widespread in Africa. Then the story of one doctor who found that two shots of an ordinary common antibiotic cured stomach ulcers. What was the result? The stock price of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals took a nose-dive.

So there is hope for us out there.

 

[El BUZZ]

If I was to give you a short and automatic reply I would say... noise damage. I was in a loud workplace at the time it first appeared. I can recall waking in the early morning around 05:00 or 06:00 and hearing this very faint high-pitched sound. I looked the room and couldn't figure out where it was coming or what was the cause -- so I went back to sleep again. Next morning same time, same thing, but this time curiosity had taken hold of me and I set out systematically to find the source of the noise. The Radio? No -- switched off. The lights? Likewise... Anything electric? No, nothing besides the light and the radio. Ahh! It's the wind playing in the telegraph wires outside! But not that either -- the branches of the trees were absolutely still on a beautiful summer's morning. So I concluded that the sound was coming from inside my head. Tinnitus? What's that! Never heard of it. And I got up and went back to work etc. etc. Towards the end of the week I decided to visit the doctor as it was getting louder -- after all I pay for my insurance. Right? There the doctor told me: "They can put a man on the moon but they can't get rid of a noise in your head." I guess that was the first stop in a long journey which included hospital, ENTs, a jaw doctor, a Kur-Ort, ...

I will mention that TRT was something that gave me some comfort. I realize that it's not for everyone.

But if I was to take a long view I'd say that I think there could be more to the cause. I call to mind one doctor in the United States who was saying a few words about back-pain:

He ventured the opinion that people with back pain might develop the problem through damage inflicted slowly through the years... that the bones or nerves in their back get slowly worn out rather than just one bad incident... and it could be a bit of both.

Well transferring that idea to hearing damage tinnitus I have to say that over the years of loud discos, getting the odd wallop on the ear in some dispute and watching fireworks... it must have all taken a toll. On top of that as a young fellow and a teenager I had to swallow a lot of pills for lung problems. Did that have an effect? One thing for sure is that in my twenties I had very sensitive hearing and used to wear earplugs in the discos. I never understood then what it was all about.

Ah! Another point: About two to three months before the onset of my tinnitus I got this terrible throat infection and the good doctor gave me some strong antibiotic for it. Never had one so bad. I put my fingers down my throat and it felt like there was a bunch of grapes down there. Did that contribute?

Oh and I was having my fair share of negative stress at the time. Holding down a difficult job, filling in tax returns etc. etc.

Ah yes. I also had the bad luck to get my teeth done by this terrible dentist who seemed to be from the backwoods of Romania Upps... Sorry Aura...

It could be one of those things orthe sum of all of them. The confounding thing is that I felt quite healthy and full of energy... except for this obscure high pitched noise... which kept getting louder and louder and louder and louder and...

Of late, COVID-19 or the vaccines may have brought my tinnitus more to the forefront.

I hope this helps. Or maybe misery loves company?

Just to end on a positive note. The doctors have come up with a cure for Sickle Cell Aneamia -- widespread in Africa. Then the story of one doctor who found that two shots of an ordinary common antibiotic cured stomach ulcers. What was the result? The stock price of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals took a nose-dive.

So there is hope for us out there.

So... Has your tinnitus increased in volume over time? Have you been careful about noises around you?

 

[DaveFromChicago]

I do admit that I have been a dick in some posts. However, at that level of suffering being bitter and jealous of anyone better than me was all I could do.

By all means, go ahead and be as much of a dick as you want to be. As we say in the USA, even in your most extreme utterances, "You took the words right out of my own mouth."

Last Sunday I had to drive my wife to a Catholic Meditation / Retreat Center in Wisconsin; for admittance into their program, you have to agree to take a five day Vow of Silence. She has a 30% hearing loss from an ear infection and from having worked around high pitched medical equipment as a Surgical Tech for 32 years. She has often wondered if she also has some sort of "subliminal" tinnitus. I replied, "Sugarbear, if you can avail yourself with total bliss of five days of near-absolute silence, you sure as Hell ain't got what I have."

It's the damndest thing; I felt able to drive her because upon leaving my tinnitus was nearly absent. But it never fails; the velocity and wind noise against the speeding car somehow amplified my tinnitus so that by the time I got there, I was in DEEP CRISIS SURVIVAL MODE.

This Center was in the middle of Rural Nowhere, and I was in such pain from the amplitude that when I left to return home I got lost. I drove around crazily, not even knowing North from South, until by sheer chance I came upon a recognizable Route that would get me to the Main Highway. However, I was so devastated that I had to stop by a McDonalds and ask some Rough-Looking Country Types (with fawning ingratiation) if I should make a left or right to get on the Main Highway.

To rub a further pile of salt into the tinnitus wound, Route 294 was all torn up with construction and congested with Sunday Summer Traffic. I enjoyed nothing more that having a tinnitus loudness that threatened to make me lose consciousness while being in wildly changeable stop-and-go traffic for an hour and a half.

What really pissed me off was that, for such a short time only, our Midsummer Rural Lands are truly gorgeous with the lush, high green corn, the sparkling blue sky, the gargantuan bright white Cumulous Clouds, etc. And tinnitus was equivalent to a Mental Scimitar that tore up all potential for it's enjoyment.

Later, my wife texted me with the rare acknowledgement that she could see just how much veritable physical pain I was in and that perhaps tinnitus had eliminated my capacity to drive even moderately far distances.

So, this is one more thing tinnitus will deprive me of. If there were a Legal VAD Facility in Illinois, I would apply for it. After over 8.5 years, I feel too guilty about having to announce to my wife that nearly all of our former shared experiences will no longer be doable because of this condition.

 

[Joeseph Stope]

So... Has your tinnitus increased in volume over time?

Well you might pose the question as to whether rain is wet? Or ask whether the Pope is catholic? But there is much more involved in your question than at first sight. I mentioned before that I went down the TRT route and it did help me for quite a few years. But their message is to accustom yourself to everyday noises instead of hiding yourself away from the world's sounds. And they are right up to a point. But every so often a car backfires close to you or you pass by a noisy building site and your tinnitus goes way up. And then hope sets in that it will subside over the next week and for a long time it did.

But these past few years, even before COVID-19, I noticed that my tinnitus was getting louder. I even went back to my old doctor in Germany to see could he bring the sound down again but with no success. But since COVID-19 (or was it the COVID-19 jabs I took?) it has got louder. Happily I'm much stronger mentally than back in the 90's when I didn't know what hit me.

Have you been careful about noises around you?

I'm the bloke walking down the street wearing the bright yellow 3M hearing protectors. I think that your strategy is better. Live out in a log cabin out in the woods and enjoy nature.

But in my case I chose a city... I really need the library and being close to the shops and such like... You need your network.... And just to see all the people. Fat people, young people, old people, the odd person that I know.

Your idea of conducting a survey is spot on. It's wise not to be influenced by one person's experience.

But if I was to have a hunch it would be that my tinnitus has got worse due to the accumulation of all the noise damage over the years, and the aging process. And maybe COVID-19 running rampant and/or the side effects of the anti-COVID-19 jabs.

I hope this helps.

 

[El BUZZ]

Well you might pose the question as to whether rain is wet? Or ask whether the Pope is catholic? But there is much more involved in your question than at first sight. I mentioned before that I went down the TRT route and it did help me for quite a few years. But their message is to accustom yourself to everyday noises instead of hiding yourself away from the world's sounds. And they are right up to a point. But every so often a car backfires close to you or you pass by a noisy building site and your tinnitus goes way up. And then hope sets in that it will subside over the next week and for a long time it did.

But these past few years, even before COVID-19, I noticed that my tinnitus was getting louder. I even went back to my old doctor in Germany to see could he bring the sound down again but with no success. But since COVID-19 (or was it the COVID-19 jabs I took?) it has got louder. Happily I'm much stronger mentally than back in the 90's when I didn't know what hit me.

I'm the bloke walking down the street wearing the bright yellow 3M hearing protectors. I think that your strategy is better. Live out in a log cabin out in the woods and enjoy nature.

But in my case I chose a city... I really need the library and being close to the shops and such like... You need your network.... And just to see all the people. Fat people, young people, old people, the odd person that I know.

Your idea of conducting a survey is spot on. It's wise not to be influenced by one person's experience.

But if I was to have a hunch it would be that my tinnitus has got worse due to the accumulation of all the noise damage over the years, and the aging process. And maybe COVID-19 running rampant and/or the side effects of the anti-COVID-19 jabs.

I hope this helps.

It helps lots, Joeseph.

Thanks a lot for taking your time to explain things in such a clear and deep way.

I really hope we make it to a day a well deserved reduction in volume or cure in form of a treatment shows up. I'm sure there are evil people around here but not so bad to deserve having this tinnitus thing.

Life is not easy even without tinnitus, go figure having it as a constant soundtrack.

Tight hug and let's keep brewing Japanese greens!

 

[Elmer B Fuddled]

Another one of those mountain walks.

 

[ThomasF]

I got a caffeine related question. I hope some people here have some similar experiences.

I've noticed coffee messes with my left ear, pain and tinnitus. So does Diet Coke, so I'd assume regular Coke does too.

So I've been doing drink powders like Hawaiian punch and the like, including G Fuel. The type I have is the energy formula and it is supposed to have caffeine in it. However, It does not spike up my tinnitus nor my ear pain. Anyone else got this kind of relationship going on with certain caffeine beverages?

 

[ZFire]

I got a caffeine related question. I hope some people here have some similar experiences.

I've noticed coffee messes with my left ear, pain and tinnitus. So does Diet Coke, so I'd assume regular Coke does too.

So I've been doing drink powders like Hawaiian punch and the like, including G Fuel. The type I have is the energy formula and it is supposed to have caffeine in it. However, It does not spike up my tinnitus nor my ear pain. Anyone else got this kind of relationship going on with certain caffeine beverages?

I guessing the drink powders have much lower caffeine contents where it's not enough to affect your ears. Maybe once your caffeine intake reaches a certain threshold, anything over it will begin to spike your ears. Coffee and coke are really high in caffeine.

Caffeine does literally nothing for me though. I've even tried heavy duty stuff like Red Bull and ZOA energy drinks, nothing, nada. Strange how some people's tinnitus are affected while others' are not.

 

[Elmer B Fuddled]

I guessing the drink powders have much lower caffeine contents where it's not enough to affect your ears. Maybe once your caffeine intake reaches a certain threshold, anything over it will begin to spike your ears. Coffee and coke are really high in caffeine.

Caffeine does literally nothing for me though. I've even tried heavy duty stuff like Red Bull and ZOA energy drinks, nothing, nada. Strange how some people's tinnitus are affected while others' are not.

Although I've never drank coke because it's deadly, coffee has no effect on my tinnitus.

 

[ZFire]

Although I've never drank coke because it's deadly, coffee has no effect on my tinnitus.

Yeah I haven't drank soda in 10 years. Too much additive sugars like high fructose corn syrup. That stuff isn't good for you long term.

 

[Leila]

Anyone else got this kind of relationship going on with certain caffeine beverages?

I'm fine with coffee, but a glass of red wine will put my hyperacusis into overdrive right away.

 

[ThomasF]

I'm fine with coffee, but a glass of red wine will put my hyperacusis into overdrive right away.

I had a beer on July 4th and had a tinnitus spike till the end of the following day. I don't touch caffeine enough to measure the response time anymore.

 

[Leila]

I had a beer on July 4th and had a tinnitus spike till the end of the following day. I don't touch caffeine enough to measure the response time anymore.

It's annoying that oftentimes the things that set us off are so unpredictable. I'm not a big coffee drinker and only have my one cup in the morning, which has been fine so far. Most alcoholic beverages seem to be all right, too, whenever I have a sip or two. But there is something about red wine that causes an instant reaction, half a glass and it feels as if I'm standing next to a ringing church bell. Something inside my ears starts fluttering and all noise becomes so painful that all I can do is go to sleep and hope for a reboot in the morning. I learned very quickly to stay away from glass of red in the evenings

 

[Joeseph Stope]

It's annoying that oftentimes the things that set us off are so unpredictable. I'm not a big coffee drinker and only have my one cup in the morning, which has been fine so far. Most alcoholic beverages seem to be all right, too, whenever I have a sip or two. But there is something about red wine that causes an instant reaction, half a glass and it feels as if I'm standing next to a ringing church bell. Something inside my ears starts fluttering and all noise becomes so painful that all I can do is go to sleep and hope for a reboot in the morning. I learned very quickly to stay away from glass of red in the evenings

Just a note to help you deal with the anxiety that a spike in your tinnitus can bring:

Some people's tinnitus seems to spike when they drink coffee, some people's tinnitus seems to spike when they drink alcohol. I've never heard of someone for whom only red wine is a no-no but I'm only an expert about myself Perhaps it might be the sulphides that they frequently added to red wine? In some cases they add minute quantities of methyl alcohol... or they used to do this. It might show this under the ingredients heading on the label.

But one thing to watch out for is herbs. Basil seems to drive people's tinnitus very high and maybe Rosemary. I believe it's down to the salicylates in the herbs. And then there's noise or a flu infection.

So here we all are discussing what causes an increase in tinnitus and it seems to be different strokes for different folks. Coffee has no effect on me, alcohol yes... but I still drink it.

I've just come from the Research News section where they are discussing substances like the love hormone Oxytocin which for some people lowers rather than highers their tinnitus level.

And here we are discussing what increases the tinnitus.

It could very well be that a big part of some breakthrough is our worthy selves tapping away on the keyboard finding out which works how well, and for who.

 

[UKBloke]

Wish I could've gotten a better snap of this but... one of zillions of honey bees gorging on the garden lavender.

Sat in close proximity to them while they got on with doing their do. Incredible energy these little fellas give out.

 

[kingsfan]

 

[BrOKeN_1]

I don't hear it in the shower. Is anyone else's masked in the shower?

The one place on earth... only with a high pressure head though.

 

[SmallRonnie]

I got a caffeine related question. I hope some people here have some similar experiences.

I've noticed coffee messes with my left ear, pain and tinnitus. So does Diet Coke, so I'd assume regular Coke does too.

So I've been doing drink powders like Hawaiian punch and the like, including G Fuel. The type I have is the energy formula and it is supposed to have caffeine in it. However, It does not spike up my tinnitus nor my ear pain. Anyone else got this kind of relationship going on with certain caffeine beverages?

Caffeine doesn't aggravate my hyperacusis or tinnitus.

 

[Marshall]

I'd love you not having to choose just because you weren't in this forum and never had heard what tinnitus is, mate.

Fck this sht!!!

There are times shower masks mine but I mainly can hear it there. I'm going through a nightmarish spike for a week now and I can hear it crystal clear even with the shower full force.

I'm spiking ever since I went on vacation.

 

[Marshall]

I'm fine with coffee, but a glass of red wine will put my hyperacusis into overdrive right away.

I'm the opposite, but I pay the next day.