Clapping at Birthday Restaurant and Loud Singing

[jdjd09]

Do you ears hurt, have a tingling sensation, feel full, is your tinnitus louder, and is your hearing muffled?

It's hard to say. My tinnitus is loud as it is. It hard to tell if it increased or not, it's thst loud. I think it may have but I also don't know, because it's that loud.

My ears felt different after the experience. But now i don't think they do. But it's been two days. I felt them do something when I was sleeping.

I already have Hearing loss so I can't say if it is worse or not.

I guess I think tinnitus may possibly be louder but it is hard to tell.

 

[AZeurotuner]

It's hard to say. My tinnitus is loud as it is. It hard to tell if it increased or not, it's thst loud. I think it may have but I also don't know, because it's that loud.

My ears felt different after the experience. But now i don't think they do. But it's been two days. I felt them do something when I was sleeping.

I already have Hearing loss so I can't say if it is worse or not.

I guess I think tinnitus may possibly be louder but it is hard to tell.

Probably not then, I mean every loud noise probably damages our hearing to some extent, but if your ears feel fine now I'd say you're OK are far as not causing any measurable damage.

 

[JurgenG]

Probably not then, I mean every loud noise probably damages our hearing to some extent, but if your ears feel fine now I'd say you're OK are far as not causing any measurable damage.

Every loud noise LONG ENOUGH, damages the hearing. 10 sec of 100 dB is not that.

 

[AZeurotuner]

Every loud noise LONG ENOUGH, damages the hearing. 10 sec of 100 dB is not that.

100 decibels is a guess though... It could have been 10 or even 15 decibels louder than that. It's also quite likely that already damaged ears are more susceptible to loud noise than healthy one's. It's hard to believe that a damaged cochlea would have the same resiliency as a healthy one, genetics, as well as the severity, are probably a better determining factor than the one-size-fits-all decibel thresholds like the OSHA guide.

 

[JurgenG]

100 decibels is a guess though... It could have been 10 or even 15 decibels louder than that. It's also quite likely that already damaged ears are more susceptible to loud noise than healthy one's. It's hard to believe that a damaged cochlea would have the same resiliency as a healthy one, genetics, as well as the severity, are probably a better determining factor than the one-size-fits-all decibel thresholds like the OSHA guide.

Well, I will not say that we should just follow the guidelines for the general public. They are too high anyway.
But it's never proven that "damaged" ears are more suspitble for loud noise than "normal" ones. Fact is that alot of people their ears are damaged, even the ones without T,H or measurable hearing loss. (So do they have to have extra strict guidelines as well?)
What I do believe is that the "credit" we have is slimmer than one who didn't develop any problems "yet", thus it would be a bad idea to go to a concert without plugs or hang near speakers.
But I personally know a lot of people with a form of T, who actually live a normal life, and only plug at concerts. And that's personally where I want to be again, soon.

 

[AZeurotuner]

Well, I will not say that we should just follow the guidelines for the general public. They are too high anyway.
But it's never proven that "damaged" ears are more suspitble for loud noise than "normal" ones. Fact is that alot of people their ears are damaged, even the ones without T,H or measurable hearing loss. (So do they have to have extra strict guidelines as well?)
What I do believe is that the "credit" we have is slimmer than one who didn't develop any problems "yet", thus it would be a bad idea to go to a concert without plugs or hang near speakers.
But I personally know a lot of people with a form of T, who actually live a normal life, and only plug at concerts. And that's personally where I want to be again, soon.

It's never been proven based on previous damage because there's been no studies on it yet, it has however been proven that possessing the Nox3 gene makes one more susceptible to noise induced hearing loss, which in and of itself, illustrates the fallacy of noise exposure guidelines. Do you really believe that it's more likely that an already compromised organ would retain its abilit resist damage the same as a healthy one?

And sure, there's tinnitus suffers who can get by only protecting in extremely loud situations, but once again, you're using a one-size-fits-all methodology. Everyone's different, you can't say with any degree of certainty, that what works for the one will work for the other, especially regarding something as complex as tinnitus, no two cases are ever the same. For example, if your liver is functioning at only 10 percent, you're obviously not going to be able to process toxins with the efficiency of one operating at 100 percent. Why is so hard to fathom that, in all likelihood, the cochlea functions similarly concerning it's ability to withstand sound?

 

[jdjd09]

Probably not then, I mean every loud noise probably damages our hearing to some extent, but if your ears feel fine now I'd say you're OK are far as not causing any measurable damage.

The thing is that I feel like ringing might be louder...but I can't really tell. So I don't know if they are ok :/.

 

[jdjd09]

Is there a timeframe to know if something was just a "spike" situation vs actual damage?

 

[JurgenG]

It's never been proven based on previous damage because there's been no studies on it yet, it has however been proven that possessing the Nox3 gene makes one more susceptible to noise induced hearing loss, which in and of itself, illustrates the fallacy of noise exposure guidelines. Do you really believe that it's more likely that an already compromised organ would retain its abilit resist damage the same as a healthy one?

And sure, there's tinnitus suffers who can get by only protecting in extremely loud situations, but once again, you're using a one-size-fits-all methodology. Everyone's different, you can't say with any degree of certainty, that what works for the one will work for the other, especially regarding something as complex as tinnitus, no two cases are ever the same. For example, if your liver is functioning at only 10 percent, you're obviously not going to be able to process toxins with the efficiency of one operating at 100 percent. Why is so hard to fathom that, in all likelihood, the cochlea functions similarly concerning it's ability to withstand sound?

That's the thing, almost everyone has some form of damage.. I personally know hundreds of people who have some form of damage, that know it. And probably much more who have damage that don't know it yet..

 

[jdjd09]

Can anyone answer my question above?

 

[glynis]

Time is the answer and wait an see but maybe after 4 weeks it might need looking into.
Love glynis x

 

[Luman]

I was feeling bad about something the other night, went for the first time to a 12 step program (not AA) meeting. Big mistake, too much clapping. Never again.

 

[jdjd09]

I'm so frustrated. What am I supposed to do, just shun everyone out of my life to avoid these situations?

I mean, is the general concensous that ten to 20 seconds of clapping right by my head isn't going to damage hearing or would it?

I'm so lost. Is this going to cause permanent damage? I feel like I do have a spike :/. Or is it permanent damage?

 

[AZeurotuner]

That's the thing, almost everyone has some form of damage.. I personally know hundreds of people who have some form of damage, that know it. And probably much more who have damage that don't know it yet..

I'm not really sure what the number of people you personally know with hearing damage has to do the cochleas ability to resist sound pressure in comparison to a healthy one. Decibel charts are merely general guidelines, not the rule. It's silly to think that every single person has the exact same tolerance for sound, that would only be possible if everyone's auditory systems were carbon copies of each other.

Can anyone answer my question above?

Spikes can last for a while sometimes, they typically die down though. In your case it's likely that you'll see no permanent increase in your tinnitus. Your spike could even just be from stressing out over it, anxiety can do some crazy things to T. The thing is, life is loud, sometimes you're going to encounter noise levels that you're not comfortable with, it happens and is unavoidable. The good news is that these spikes are not usually permanent.

 

[Tinker Bell]

I'm so frustrated. What am I supposed to do, just shun everyone out of my life to avoid these situations?

I mean, is the general concensous that ten to 20 seconds of clapping right by my head isn't going to damage hearing or would it?

I'm so lost. Is this going to cause permanent damage? I feel like I do have a spike :/. Or is it permanent damage?

I am having deja vu. Did you have a similar thread like this worrying about whether you had a spike or permanent hearing damage? And everyone except for one poster insisted you were likely fine? What was the outcome of that situation?

It was 10 to 20 seconds of clapping. You did not have a decibel meter and do not even know how loud the sound was. If you were in a quiet restaurant, the clapping likely seemed louder than it would have in a noisier setting. Seeming louder and actually being louder are two very different things. I continually think noises are 10, 15 or 20 dB louder than they actually turn out to be.

You are very likely okay. Going forward, carry earplugs and do not hesitate to use them, maybe use a decibel meter to help avoid sound level assumptions, and look into support for anxiety. Perhaps CBT, I find that helpful.