Clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril)

[jacob256]

This stuff made my tinnitus significantly better within 30 minutes 3 different times (to confirm results) and in the unbearable phase of the tinnitus I used it. However, I dropped it because the long term effects are bad and I'm not a fan of medication (only ever taken Advil). You build up a tolerance to it and you have to take more and more and then if you try to quit years later, it's nearly impossible/causes permanent damage and all sorts of symptoms related to a glutamate overload (the excitatory neurotransmitter). It works by binding to a specific version of your GABA receptors (the calming neurotransmitter that balances out Glutamate) which is why it helps tinnitus. However, I read that it also permanently alters the shape/structure of these receptors over EXTREMELY long term use (like 20 years for example). Short term use (less than a month in normal doses) seems to be fine but the reason it causes tinnitus as a withdrawal symptom is because while you take this, your body becomes adjusted to not producing as much GABA naturally because the medication is binding to the receptors instead. So when you quit, there's a shortage of GABA, which causes the tinnitus.

Honestly, if you're fairly old and your tinnitus really bothers you and is chronic (like you've had it for years and years) this might be a solution if you plan on naturally dying within the next 10/20 years but if you're younger you'll reach the "breaking" point before you're close to the natural end of your life and will have to face the consequences. So whether it's worth it is your choice; we all have our demons to face haha.

 

[Flyingsheep]

After going on and off .5mg of clonazepam for around 6 weeks (taking one only when I was having a bad day) I think I started developing withdrawal symptoms, and after reading a lot more into the side effects on the internet and this thread, I had to stop completely.

It was strange because it got me out of a really bad week long spike where my mild T went to severe mode. Then things were mostly alright until recently I started getting the same kind of spike again, which led me to taking .5mg for 4 days straight. On the first day of not taking a clonazepam, my tinnitus raged to the stratosphere like never before and I couldn't even function, and my anxiety was the worst I've ever felt in my life. I thought it permanently worsened at that point, and took two weeks of literal hell to finally settle down. It's back to mild like it used to be, thank God, but it still spikes really high temporarily if I wake up in the middle of the night, which used to never happen.

I think what had happened was that I was building a slight tolerance and stopping like that initiated some withdrawals which also worsened tinnitus. Even though it helped so much at first, I never want to take clonazepam again.

 

[linearb]

Hrm, on the last day this was bumped, I was having a motorcycle crash I'm still a bit recovering from. Yay!

Anyway, just chiming in that this fall will mark 3 years since I reinstated klonopin daily along with gabapentin, and I'd say the same thing I did a year ago: the first 2 months were absolutely magical, and then after that the effect was reduced but still makes a fairly night-and-day difference in my happiness, ability to handle life, and amount of time I spend thinking about tinnitus.

I think both of these drugs are relatively dangerous and don't love this situation, but here we are! If some of the bimodal tech hurries up and becomes commercially viable, I will deal with benzo withdrawal. Again, again.

 

[Carlos1]

@linearb
I have been on 0.5 mg of Klonopin and 300 mg x2 of Gabapentin for 5 years.

 

[mrfart]

I've been on Lorazepam for a long time and am slowly lowering the dosage. I actually take it for anxiety, caused in part because I'm on the spectrum, and very sensitive to noise. Hence the tinnitus. It never worked much for my tinnitus, although it does become much worse when I stop taking it.

Maybe I should talk to my doctor into switching to Clonazepam first?

 

[EDDTEKK]

I have developed a new tinnitus sound, like a melody. The frequency is freaking high and loud... it's totally wired.

I decreased my Clonazepam to 1mg over a period of 12 days two months ago. And at the end of all this the new tinnitus sound occurred.

It sometimes sounds like a broken radio and gets louder and then quieter again...

Anybody have any suggestions or have experienced the same?

Will my tinnitus settle down?

 

[Pitseleh]

I have developed a new tinnitus sound, like a melody. The frequency is freaking high and loud... it's totally wired.

I decreased my Clonazepam to 1mg over a period of 12 days two months ago. And at the end of all this the new tinnitus sound occurred.

It sometimes sounds like a broken radio and gets louder and then quieter again...

Anybody have any suggestions or have experienced the same?

Will my tinnitus settle down?

I have trouble with Clonazepam too. I'm definitely tolerant to it and whether I try to decrease or maintain it, the tinnitus keeps getting worse.

 

[Ela Stefan]

Please do not stop taking your Clonazepam without tapering off this medication slowly if you need to come off it...

I was told the same thing that I was not on a high enough dosage for it to cause any troubles or long enough... I was only taking 0.5 mg of Clonazepam, and I have been suffering for 8 months so far and have not finished tapering from the cross over to Valium.

I have suffered acute symptoms all the way through and 100s are just like me on BenzoBuddies, some have suffered for years after taking this drug for only 5 weeks due to not tapering...

Tinnitus is one of the symptoms you can get when you hit tolerance or go through withdrawal from this drug. Unfortunately even those that have never experienced tinnitus before can end up getting it permanently from benzo withdrawal... My own experience is that it has increased my tinnitus to deafening levels with multiple tones that I have never experienced before... I will not list the other horrid symptoms...

Many medical Doctors do not get educated on this class of drug, my own Doctor has admitted he did not know about tapering or the dangers of tolerance and being placed into acute withdrawal from Clonazepam, I was told by 5 different Doctors it was safe as it was used long term for epilepsy patients and did not need tapering at such a low dose... WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!

I worked for 8 years part time in a drug and alcohol unit, not once did I ever come across anybody detoxing from a benzo, I now know why...

Another thing I will mention to you is if you need to be placed on an antibiotic for any reason be careful what class of antibiotic you take as most Doctors are also not aware that some antibiotics like fluroquinolones can displace the benzo off the receptor site and put you straight into withdrawal...

I would also be wary of Augmentin Duo Forte which is Amoxicillin and clavulanic acid...

For how long did you take Clonazepam? Did your tinnitus improve after tapering down from Clonazepam?

 

[GBB]

Hrm, on the last day this was bumped, I was having a motorcycle crash I'm still a bit recovering from. Yay!

Anyway, just chiming in that this fall will mark 3 years since I reinstated klonopin daily along with gabapentin, and I'd say the same thing I did a year ago: the first 2 months were absolutely magical, and then after that the effect was reduced but still makes a fairly night-and-day difference in my happiness, ability to handle life, and amount of time I spend thinking about tinnitus.

I think both of these drugs are relatively dangerous and don't love this situation, but here we are! If some of the bimodal tech hurries up and becomes commercially viable, I will deal with benzo withdrawal. Again, again.

Have you ever tried / heard of Honokiol? Reddit would have me believe it is GABAergic and has cannabinoid activity AND does not induce dependence/withdrawal.

 

[linearb]

Have you ever tried / heard of Honokiol? Reddit would have me believe it is GABAergic and has cannabinoid activity AND does not induce dependence/withdrawal.

I was going to say I'd never heard of this, but "magnolia" rang a bell so I dug through my mail, and waaaay back in June 2014 I ordered "Magnolia Bark Extract - 20 Grams (0.71 Oz) - 95% Pure Honokiol + Magnolol - FBA" from Amazon. I believe I did some research to try to find a respectable vendor of high quality material, but, I did not have it GC/MS'd myself or anything.

I remember taking it a whole bunch for a couple/few weeks and that it kind of tasted like what cinnamon would taste like to someone who really didn't like the taste of cinnamon. I don't remember what, if any, effects I noted at the time.

It may be that it's GABAergic and has cannabinnoid activity and doesn't induce dependence, but also doesn't do very much subjectively because the impact is so small.

If I still have mine, I might experiment with taking some the next time I feel "bad/jittey/benzo-not-working-well" type feelings, but that goes deep into a rabbit hole of anecdotal, biased experience.

I think the biggest risk is to your wallet, like with most things reddit tries to push Just watch out for that delta-8-THC stuff, legal or not, it is nasty.

 

[Star64]

For how long did you take Clonazepam? Did your tinnitus improve after tapering down from Clonazepam?

Clonazepam made my tinnitus way worse. it has improved slightly after being off the drug for twelve months but I am nowhere near healed. Please stay away from this drug, it is only recommended for short term use.

 

[Ela Stefan]

Clonazepam made my tinnitus way worse. it has improved slightly after being off the drug for twelve months but I am nowhere near healed. Please stay away from this drug, it is only recommended for short term use.

For how long did you take Clonazepam?

 

[Michael Leigh]

Clonazepam made my tinnitus way worse. it has improved slightly after being off the drug for twelve months but I am nowhere near healed. Please stay away from this drug, it is only recommended for short term use.

Sorry to hear Clonazepam made your tinnitus worse and hope it eventually returns to baseline. Clonazepam was a lifesaver for me when my ENT consultant prescribed it in 2010. More details and the difficulties I went through are in the post: My experience with tinnitus, in the link below. It shouldn't be taken too regular and definitely not long term as my doctor advised. She told me that it helps some people with tinnitus and I'm so thankful for this drug because nothing else worked, to reduce the cacophony of noise within my head and ears.

Fortunately, I haven't had a problem with it in ten years and still have it on prescription. I take it once or twice a month now, just for one or two days. Taken only when the tinnitus is severe 2x 0.5 mg tablets, that reduce the tinnitus to a manageable level or complete silence over 12 hours.

Michael

My Experience with Tinnitus | Tinnitus Talk Support Forum

 

[Star64]

For how long did you take Clonazepam?

I only used it occasionally for a few years, then started using it more regularly over a 6 month period before tolerance set in.

It is well known to cause tinnitus. Please read the Ashton manual.

 

[vermillion]

Is tapering Clonazepam necessary?

Monday: 0.5mg day+ 0.5mg night
Tuesday: 0.75mg night
Wednesday: 0.5mg night

So now I want to stop. Do I need to taper?
@linearb? Anyone?

 

[Michael Leigh]

Is tapering Clonazepam necessary?

Monday: 0.5mg day+ 0.5mg night
Tuesday: 0.75mg night
Wednesday: 0.5mg night

So now I want to stop. Do I need to taper?
@linearb? Anyone?

It is best to consult with your doctor. My understanding is when Clonazepam is taken regularly, it's not a good idea to stop abruptly due to side effects, so a gradual tapering is advised. In 2010 my ENT consultant advised, only take Clonazepam when the tinnitus is severe for a number of reasons. Even though it can help some people with tinnitus as in my case, it is also addictive. If taken regularly the body will quickly habituate to it and further increase in dosage is required in order for it to be effective. Unfortunately this can cause addiction with unpleasant side effects.

Fortunately, in the ten years I have been taking Clonazepam just for one or two days at a time I haven't had any problems. I find it immensely helpful in reducing the tinnitus when severe.

Michael

 

[vermillion]

It is best to consult with your doctor. My understanding is when Clonazepam is taken regularly, it's not a good idea to stop abruptly due to side effects, so a gradual tapering is advised. In 2010 my ENT consultant advised, only take Clonazepam when the tinnitus is severe for a number of reasons. Even though it can help some people with tinnitus as in my case, it is also addictive. If taken regularly the body will quickly habituate to it and further increase in dosage is required in order for it to be effective. Unfortunately this can cause addiction with unpleasant side effects.

Fortunately, in the ten years I have been taking Clonazepam just for one or two days at a time I haven't had any problems. I find it immensely helpful in reducing the tinnitus when severe.

Michael

Thank you @Michael Leigh.

I am aware of all that. Basically, as I stated above, I took Clonazepam only for 3 days to "kill" a spike.

So my question was whether it's necessary to taper according to the usage I posted above analytically.

Apart from that I don't use benzos on a regular basis. Only sporadically like you describe.

 

[Michael Leigh]

So my question was whether it's necessary to taper according to the usage I posted above analytically.

It is best to ask your doctor...

 

[vermillion]

It is best to ask your doctor...

Just did.

It's ok to stop it cold turkey since I took it for only 3 days.

 

[Matchbox]

When in doubt, taper.

 

[vermillion]

When in doubt, taper.

Do you think having been 3 days on Clonazepam warrants tapering?

Would you taper? If so, how?

 

[Tomas80]

Do you think having been 3 days on Clonazepam warrants tapering?

Would you taper? If so, how?

I took Clonazepam for 5 days. Without tapering.

 

[vermillion]

I took Clonazepam for 5 days. Without tapering.

Any side effects?

 

[lymebite]

Do you think having been 3 days on Clonazepam warrants tapering?

For me it does not warrant tapering. I sometimes will take clonazepam for a few days, like you did, and then stop, with no tapering and no side effects.

For what it is worth, my primary care physician who prescribes the clonazepam for me, feels that up to 10 mg per month can be taken relatively safely. I'm guessing some people can tolerate a lot less, and others a lot more, and that there are plenty of alternative medical professional opinions out there, so just for what it is worth, that is sense of my primary care physician, 10 mg per month max.

 

[vermillion]

For me it does not warrant tapering. I sometimes will take clonazepam for a few days, like you did, and then stop, with no tapering and no side effects.

For what it is worth, my primary care physician who prescribes the clonazepam for me, feels that up to 10 mg per month can be taken relatively safely. I'm guessing some people can tolerate a lot less, and others a lot more, and that there are plenty of alternative medical professional opinions out there, so just for what it is worth, that is sense of my primary care physician, 10 mg per month max.

Thank you @lymebite.

That is very informative. I did call a doctor, in my turn. She reassured me that I can stop the drug safely with no taper, as this was a pretty short-term usage.

What was actually interesting is that she (as an anesthesiologist) suggested to me, in case that Clonazepam helps me, to try take the lowest dose for 15 days (e.g. 0.25mg) and take it 3 times per week. According to its elimination half-life, that could sustain a stable plasma level of the drug with no fluctuations, which is considered desirable.

 

[linearb]

Do you think having been 3 days on Clonazepam warrants tapering?

Would you taper? If so, how?

Most people are good up to a week or two but when I was using PRN I usually would still take, like, a half dose day 4, quarter dose day 5, just to have slightly cleaner curves coming back off the drug.

Klonopin is urine detectable for 30 days after a single dose, though, so 3 days of use is more or less self-tapering.

 

[lymebite]

What was actually interesting is that she (as an anesthesiologist) suggested to me, in case that Clonazepam helps me, to try take the lowest dose for 15 days (e.g. 0.25mg) and take it 3 times per week.

Sounds like very good advice to me, taking the least possible amount that helps.

When I first tried clonazepam, it was prescribed by my ENT, and it was for 0.25 mg. I think it was 0.25 mg at least, it may have been even less, maybe 1/8 mg, my memory fails me, but I remember that the pharmacy had to special order it because the dose size was so small, and the small dose tablets dissolve sublingually instead of swallow like a typical tablet.

While I started with a very small dose, it did not do much for me, and now if I take clonazepam, generally I will take 0.5 mg for a day or two or three. Sometimes I will bump it to 1 mg but I try to stick at the 0.5 mg.

 

[vermillion]

Sounds like very good advice to me, taking the least possible amount that helps.

When I first tried clonazepam, it was prescribed by my ENT, and it was for 0.25 mg. I think it was 0.25 mg at least, it may have been even less, maybe 1/8 mg, my memory fails me, but I remember that the pharmacy had to special order it because the dose size was so small, and the small dose tablets dissolve sublingually instead of swallow like a typical tablet.

While I started with a very small dose, it did not do much for me, and now if I take clonazepam, generally I will take 0.5 mg for a day or two or three. Sometimes I will bump it to 1 mg but I try to stick at the 0.5 mg.

Here as well there are no other tablets, apart from 0.50mg and 2mg dose size. So yes, smaller doses can be tricky to administer. 0.50mg worked for me pretty ok. I think taking 2x0.50mg the first day was absolutely not necessary. I was a bit clumsy with the dosages. For now I will stop. It gave some relief with that spike but I'm planning to use it in a similar way like you (as I have done already in the past, by taking it sporadically on single days).

 

[linearb]

I think it's still working, but I keep forgetting.

(This is a joke about benzo side effects).

 

[T warrior]

Whenever I take 0.5 mg of Ativan, it seems to help.