Do I Have Hyperacusis?

I feel very sorry for this young girl, but there is no evidence, at least none that I have seen, showing that she ever went for TRT. The article does not say how she came to use sound therapy, which caused further damage.

Well said @Luman I have watched this video and it is not TRT. As you know I have had TRT twice using the Jastreboff method. The proper way to wear white noise generators to treat tinnitus and hyperacusis, is to set the volume level of the white noise below the tinnitus never to mask it. When white noise generators are used correctly they are commpletely safe and is the best treatment for Tinnitus and hyperacusis especially when a person has developed tinnitus with or without hyperacusis from loud noise trauma. Counselling with a Hearing Therapist is also an essential part of TRT and must not be left out.

Michael

PS: if hyperacusis alone is to be treated, the best method is using white noise generators. The volume should be kept low in my opinion and not increased slowly as some Hearing Therapists recommend. Counselling is still required even if a person just has hyperacusis.
 
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@Luman if the reports in the article aren't enough for you, although I'm not sure why it's not as it says very clearly she went to the doctor they employed sound therapy and it caused tinnitus, but alrighty then... here's some more for ya. This video by her mother describes the incident and the doctor who indeed put her on TRT and set her up with noise generators, claiming the tinnitus was caused because her generators weren't loud enough....



The fact remains she was wearing them for a few months while otherwise avoiding loud noise and then tinnitus set in. She has been using them consistently even after being stricken with tinnitus and has found no relief.

If the ear has been compromised and weakened I think it only makes sense that playing any sound at all from what is basically an earbud headphone directly in the ear constantly for hours every day is potentially dangerous.

Its clear you have a strong opinion on TRT and support it blindly so I am confident nothing would change your mind anyway. Regardless, It is slowly but surely becoming widely deemed useless, there is zero evidence that it works and reports like this show it may even be harmful in some cases. If it worked we wouldn't have to have researchers searching for a cure for tinnitus and hyperacusis. Believe what you want, I choose to follow reports and recommendations from researchers not misinformed doctors and members of forums.

Thank you for the clarification about the sound generator. I do not know enough about TRT to either support it or not, but I don't see that anybody who is employed as a representative or certified practitioner of TRT was involved with this case. If they were, I think we'd know about it.
 
Of course @Michael Leigh would recommend someone with Hyperacusis go for an audio exam despite evidence as shared by Hyperacusis Research, an organization actually working to CURE hyperacusis, that hearing tests performed by Audiologists can cause more harm and may even permanently worsen the symptoms of tinnitus and hyperacusis. But if that should happen he can just do TRT right? Not to mention knowing ENTs can't do anything for either symptom just wasting people's time and money and have even been known to treat sufferers so terribly they leave the appointment in far worse distress. You have got to be the worst ambassador on this forum.
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@dbth

With respect, I would not consider this as conducive advice - have you personally had a bad experience with an audiologist!? Provided that the audiologist is aware of decreased sound tolerance levels, he/she would normally modify the test slightly and be very mindful at (not) testing at loud levels.

I would strongly suggest @Adriel123 to go to the ENT appointment - at least for reassurance
 
I have watched this video and it is not TRT. As you know I have had TRT twice using the Jastreboff method.

But wasn't she treated with TRT by Jastreboff himself though? I think someone claimed that in another thread about this topic and that sure looks like Jastreboff in the vlog.
 
@dbth

With respect, I would not consider this as conducive advice - have you personally had a bad experience with an audiologist!? Provided that the audiologist is aware of decreased sound tolerance levels, he/she would normally modify the test slightly and be very mindful at (not) testing at loud levels.

I would strongly suggest @Adriel123 to go to the ENT appointment - at least for reassurance

Hyperacusis Research has reported that many hyperacusis patients have had bad experiences, improper treatment and worsened symptoms due to painful testing done by audiologists.





"We hear from many patients who have suffered harm at the hands of ENTs, audiologist and other medical clinicians who do not understand hyperacusis. These medical practitioners sometimes misdiagnose the condition, guess at treatment, dispense bad medical advice or order loud tests that worsen symptoms. The outcome is often permanent disability."

To answer your question, Yes I did have a bad experience. My ENT, after I had told him about my tinnitus and mild sound sensitivity, that I believed to have been caused by a loud concert and headphone use, proceeded to send me for a hearing exam with an audiologist that was painful and terrifying. He then ordered an MRI for which I was provided foam ear plugs and headphones over them that played music directly in my ears inside of a very loud machine. The result was that my ringing had intensified and my hyperacusis got much worse, luckily it has calmed down a bit but 2 years later I am still worse off than I was before that visit to the ENT.

Here is another post about a poor woman who got hyperacusis from an MRI and they mention "ill-informed doctors may order an MRI for patients with hearing problems clearly caused by noise, in which case they will be worsened for no reason."



Much of what I see here on this forum in terms of advice and opinion particularly in regards to hyperacusis goes against what Hyperacusis Research recommends and has reported.
 
I'm sorry @dbth that you had a bad experience. But upon balance, what is the lessor of 2 evils - having tinnitus, or having an undiagnosed vestibular schwanna on the hearing nerve? This is what MRI is designed for and is considered bad practice if one isn't ordered
 
@dingaling "Vestibular schwannoma is a rare condition: incident rate in the U.S. in 2010 was 11/1,000,000 persons, mean age 53."

For a young guy like me, who had reported his loud concert attendance and headphone use... come on now. Again, I will emphasize my experience was not unique, despite your focus on that. I was just one of many unfortunate hyperacusis patients to walk into the unknown hazard that is the ENTs office. Now I know better, and have a research organization to support my stance. This is why I gave the advice I did, it's not my opinion, it is supported fact. I'd argue that entirely unnecessary MRI wasn't to rule out an acoustic neuroma, but rather another prime example of over prescribing and unnecessary testing that is rampant in the medical industry. They get paid for those tests you know... I realize my stance especially here in this forum will remain unpopular and that's fine. But I will continue to place my trust in Hyperacusis Research over anyone else.

 
@dbth

That's fine, I respect your opinion. But in the UK, the NHS is free at the point of use and MRI is still used routinely and (usually) appropriately - even just to play "safe" or rule out sinister pathology

But in a way, you are right; ENTs are medics/surgeons and many (in the UK at least) do not like dealing with tinnitus or hyperacusis - therefore they refer to audiologists who are better trained
 
@dingaling and I respect yours, but as I stated I was treated by both an ENT and an audiologist poorly, and for hyperacusis patients it's not uncommon. It's rare and poorly understood. My experience was mine but these reports and findings are not, but are just the same. I don't deny MRIs or hearing exams have their place. But for noise induced tinnitus and hyperacusis at the risk of catastrophe... I'm sticking with Hyperacusis Research on this one. All the best.

"We hear from patients whose hyperacusis and tinnitus are worsened by testing that puts loud noises in their ears, and also from those who are given an MRI, which is a jarringly loud procedure that should not be given for noise induced hearing problems."
 
But wasn't she treated with TRT by Jastreboff himself though? I think someone claimed that in another thread about this topic and that sure looks like Jastreboff in the vlog.

@lapidus

It is unfortunate that this young girl has had a bad experience using white noise generators. I believe everything should be put into perspective and the way I see it is this. Her mother says that her daughter has a hearing disorder and has been seen by many doctors including a hearing specialist, that recommended wearing white noise generators to treat hyperacusis.

Hyperacusis is a symptom of an underlying medical problem but there is no mention of the medical condition, just that her daughter has a hearing disorder. People that develop tinnitus caused by noise trauma can often experience hyperacusis. One of the best treatments for tinnitus and hyperacusis is TRT. This involves wearing white noise generators and having regular counselling sessions with a Hearing Therapist. The treatment can take up to two years to complete. Many people have had success with this treatment including me having had the treatment twice. I think it is wrong to say using white noise generators is harmful just on the strength of watching a seven minute video. The young girl developed tinnitus but the hearing specialist believes this is temporary. The mother confirmed her daughter's tinnitus has improved and the future looks promising, once the white noise generators are used at the correct level as the specialist advised which is 10decibels.

Thousands of people have used white noise generators to treat tinnitus and hyperacusis and have had good results with them. TRT and the use of white noise generators is a recognised treatment practiced in the medical field . I have been using white noise generators for twenty two years and had no problems. This young girl has a hearing disorder but we don't know what the underlying medical condition is that caused the hyperacusis.

Michael.

PS: Those that have been trying to provoke me into an argument have been placed on my ignore list.
 
The whole of my head was completely numb for around 8 months. Everything that I heard, sounded like I was listening under whater. I had fullness in both ears and acute pain. When people spoke to me I had to ask them to lower their voice as my ears hurt so much.

@Michael Leigh

Thanks for the reply.

That is awful, you were very brave.

The "under water" hearing was probably because the Eustachian Tubes function was affected somehow, but I am not sure about this.

The rest is classic TTTS, as far as I can see.

I think that the treatment you followed could have helped you in some way, but it didn't work in the way you think it did. Well, I don't know what you think, I just tell you my impression.

The treatment acted principally as an emotional container. You believed in it and you found in the sound therapist someone to talk with, and you focused on recovery. So the perception of tinnitus gradually diminished and you gradually relax the tensor tympani mechanism which was affected. The in-ear broadband noise acted as a tinnitus masker and a TT relaxer, reducing the contrast of other sounds, and so helping you in your gradual recovery.

I don't know if you had setbacks because it wasn't mentioned in the narrative that I read. If you didn't have them, you were very lucky, considering the terrible counseling of the TRT staff. Or you were smart enough to understand the problem by yourself.

So, could the treatment be consider a "placebo"? Maybe the answer could be found when we compare to other cases.

(I will talk principally about hyperacusis, but the same goes for tinnitus, to which people habituate with or without TRT, sooner or later, and sometimes it disappears completely.)

Some people with less intense symptoms than you followed the same treatment for the same amount of time, and they didn't recover, or they got worse. Or they only got better partially, and these cases are considered as successful in the efficacy studies, even if the little recovery was only natural and followed the logic of TTTS.

Or some people when they go to a TRT clinic have an increased loudness perception or distorted hearing as a consequence of fear and using earplugs or earmuffs too much, a distortion which is naturally eliminated when they loose the fear and get accustomed again to everyday sounds. But TRT promoters would say it was the white noise itself which "reprogrammed" the brain and stretch its plasticity, something which is wrong, especially when they themselves consider that gain perception is very plastic and only natural and not pathological.

It is clear that the in-ear white noise doesn't work by itself. And the counseling, as it is founded mainly on wrong ideas, it could only confuse and also make the situation worse, unless, by chance, it acts as an emotional container and the patient has a sufficient amount of luck (or a wisdom or intuition which compensate for the counselor mistakes).

And in the case we consider the white noise (and the counseling) entirely a "placebo", as some people do, I can think of two possibilities of the real reasons of getting better: the passing of time and psychology (mainly quitting the attention and energy from the tinnitus and the TTTS and understanding how to relax the zone). But some people with exactly the same symptoms as you, could recover in one or two weeks or months, without following any treatment. So the only thing that remains is psychology, which is the only thing that could tense and relax the affected mechanism. The only thing that makes the difference.

Another thing to note is that Jastreboff, and probably also your audiologist, tells patients not to focus the attention on the problem or not to visit Internet forums, for the same reason. And I agree on this, because this is precisely the main cause of the problem. But you don't have to charge a fortune and be disguised as a sophisticated expert to give such advice.

I think a continuous sound (white noise, water running or whatever) is a good tinnitus masker or a good sound contrast reducer, which is useful when you are affected by tinnitus or TTTS. But, again, you don't have to pay a fortune or to hire a "sophisticated" doctor to have the opportunity to playback such a sound, as a temporal tool.

I think you have to consider that most people who follow TRT don't recover in the way you did (you know that, because you are a frequent user of the forum). And most of them have several setbacks, or some develop "tinnitus after hyperacusis", because the TRT staff doesn't understand the etiology of this "hyperacusis", or diagnoses "misophonia" without any reason to do so.

The fact that TRT is more or less mainstream in the field, talks more about how marketing and post-truths work, especially when people are vulnerable and desperate, than it talks about any kind of medical truth and efficacy of the treatment.

Anyway, I am glad that you recovered. And luckily your TRT was for free, I mean you didn't pay.
 
- Cindy experienced a classic acoustic shock. As a consequence, she developed long-term TTTS, with burning pain.

- If she gets better with the TRT treatment she is following, it would be a consequence of the process I described in my previous post directed to Michael.

- The audiologist is Jastreboff himself, as far as I can see. And he is responsible for the tinnitus of Cindy.

- Charles Liberman talking about Hyperacusis is like Donald Trump talking about modern French Philosophy.

- Bryan Pollard, when he finds out that the answer to his research is mostly in a 1979 paper, he will cut his balls into thirty pieces. Is he going to give the money back?
 

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