Don't Listen When They Say "It Won't Go Away"

[JohnAdams]

Don't you hate clickbait?

What's the bait?

 

[john paul]

i do agree that after tinnitus has faded into brain Tinnitus (if it has), by letting yourself hear it, you learn to habituate to it and in my experience iv noticed after 15 20 mins the volume will appear to drop by more than half.
Some nights i still just don't want to hear it at all so i mask it, it depends on how i feel.

 

[Travis Duncan]

are you still struggling?

I still have my moments certain everyday noises really bother me at times... Considering the struggle i was in a year ago... this isnt all that bad

 

[Travis Duncan]

What's the bait?

Thats what i was wondering lol

 

[Travis Duncan]

Yeah well that ain't gonna fly with me. I'm 1.5 months into a spike after 10+ years of T being non existent. I remember you coffee girl writing how you heard a spike lasting more than a month will be permanent.
How true do you really think that is ?

I dont see how a "spike" lasting more than a month could be eternal, considering you had 10 years without T... We all have spikes and moments; but its better to play positively through the sounds rather than negativity....

 

[Travis Duncan]

I like this guys story of habituation but I just don't know how in the hell is it possible to habituate when the ringing is on a level of 6/10. I really can't see myself at this point, living with this, for eternity Someone please just help me understand.

Hey Buddy...

The way I describe the noise I heard would have been standing in front of a grenade and allowing it to explode... 9 months of that none stop... I didn't really go super deep into...

There were some nights I would be in a ball curled up in the corner of my bathroom trying my best to get away from tinnitus...

I was were you were... I knew I couldn't do this the rest of my life, at one point i got angry in the "spiritual" WHY WOULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN... it's hard... and I still have spikes and moments where noises drive me up the wall, but my post was saying; it CAN become bearable... Mine went from outrageous loud and week by week it started get softer and softer... I just posted to say KEEP THE FAITH, Because it is possible with God.

 

[Travis Duncan]

The real point is that lightweight (low level) Tinnitus is obviously far less significant then severe Tinnitus.
I know because I had that for 20 years.
I overcame it. Easy-peasy.

But it is as well to remember that some of us struggle through every second, of every minute, of every day, with truly considerable noise going on endlessly.

If somebody, however well-meaning, with no understanding of the full spectrum of the Tinnitus condition, trots out that it is largely 'mind over matter, and happiness is a choice,'
it doesn't do a great deal for one's humour.

By me saying "mind over matter" i wasnt putting tinnitus in a category of "its not that bad"... because IT IS BAD... I was saying Talk to yourself, the matter is the T, but your mind is YOURS... so whatever you gotta do to get through it without killing yourself, DO IT!

 

[Travis Duncan]

Good for you..but from your post I'm struggling to figure out if the tinnitus went away, or if you just got used to it?

As i said... its not 100% gone. My T went in a year from being unbearable to week by week improvement... I still hear noises and have spikes at times... certian sounds i have to run from if i dont have ear plugs or protection...
But ive been taught to claim whats not there...
Im at 85% better at the moment, but i claim 100% better, because i definitely am not settling for T and giving it another win

 

[Travis Duncan]

are you still struggling?

I have my moments. Sometimes i still get loud ringing and it worries me, almost to a point of panic... but i talk to myself, Its gonna go, its gotta go, breath... the more aggitated and worked up a person get definitely makes T worse... Positivity is Key.

 

[Travis Duncan]

So you got used to it...

Mmm... It got quieter... so compared to the SUPER LOUD sound i was experiancing in the beginning... what i hear off and on now, i can breath and not panic so bad...

 

[Travis Duncan]

Glad you found peace but I just don't know how you can go from horrible ringing to "let your mind listen to it" and now you barely hear a sound when in bed at night. I know it's a mental thing, but I just don't get how it's possible if the ringing is still legitimately there

My T got quieter as the weeks went on...
I suffered for months. But learned to talk myself off the edge. When i speak of Mind over matter... the matter is the T and you control your mind... im not saying you can make it go away into some abyss of the mind, im saying we have to controk our minds and our emotions... T is the Devil. Straight from hell itself .. But we cant allow defeat onnour part, because i know it CAN get better.

 

[Travis Duncan]

Did you have hyperacusis?
Have you done an audiogram above 8khz? any hearing loss?
Otoacoustic emission test to determine the function of hair cells?
Is your T loud right now, has it reduced in volume?
Do you thin your ear infections might have attributed to the Tinnitus?

My T is down to low tones... sometimes they spike high... I had all the tests done, no hearing loss, they said they didnt understand why my ears were doing what they were doing and gave up on me... the infection had cleared, still mega ringing... Over the span of nine months the sounds began to fade VERY slowly... T is nerve racking, it is stressful, it makes you want to give up on life... that is where mind over matter comes to play! Speak to yourself, tell yourself ending it is not a choice, Body you gotta get through this!
It works lol sometimes you want to throw it in anyway, but we gotta push!

 

[Travis Duncan]

Don't you hate clickbait?

Clickbait?

 

[dpdx]

I have my moments. Sometimes i still get loud ringing and it worries me, almost to a point of panic... but i talk to myself, Its gonna go, its gotta go, breath... the more aggitated and worked up a person get definitely makes T worse... Positivity is Key.

My T is down to low tones... sometimes they spike high... I had all the tests done, no hearing loss, they said they didnt understand why my ears were doing what they were doing and gave up on me... the infection had cleared, still mega ringing... Over the span of nine months the sounds began to fade VERY slowly... T is nerve racking, it is stressful, it makes you want to give up on life... that is where mind over matter comes to play! Speak to yourself, tell yourself ending it is not a choice, Body you gotta get through this!
It works lol sometimes you want to throw it in anyway, but we gotta push!

That's so interesting.

 

[Jazzer]

By me saying "mind over matter" i wasnt putting tinnitus in a category of "its not that bad"... because IT IS BAD... I was saying Talk to yourself, the matter is the T, but your mind is YOURS... so whatever you gotta do to get through it without killing yourself, DO IT!

Travis - I must be frank with you - the phrase that really pissed me off (kindly excuse my French) was hearing somebody say glibly that
"happiness is a choice," when two of our lovely members have died of this bastorial torture in one month!
(Not uttered by you incidentally.)

What you did say however, was that "we can't allow defeat on our part because I know it CAN get better."
All you actually 'know' is that yours got better.
We must never assume that 'our Tinnitus is identical to anybody else's Tinnitus.'

The precise degree of damage will determine the ensuing degree of pain and torture.
Your damage is not to be confused with my damage, or anybody else's.

As to the possibility of god's help, well personally I have never been able to find him?
I cried and screamed so much for help in my awfully isolated infancy, to no avail of course, that I reckon I deafened him - probably gave him Tinnitus and hyperacusis too.
Whatever - I have never ever heard 'a dicky bird from him.
Best wishes bud - very pleased you have chalked up some improvement, by the way.
Dave x
Jazzer

 

[Travis Duncan]

I wont apologize for my statements, you simply took them wrong. I know everyones T isnt the same... never said it was
Im here to spread hope in the Darkness that is tinnitus... i can understand now why people that do recieve relief from this do not come back on this forum. Some people you cant uplift or give hope to, simply because their un-belief in your systems of help and opinions of what helped you personally!
I am praying for you and hope to find you get relief or total deliverance from what Tinnitus is. God Bless.

 

[fishbone]

I am very happy for the Op. He's positive and it seems that his tinnitus has got much better. My tinnitus has gotten even worst and much louder and I am fine with that. I never had an easy life and don't expect it to get easier but much harder. What I like most about his message is that, even when he was faced with affliction... he had a will and the willpower to beat it and get better.

This is HUGE when it comes to having a life that is filled with adversity. I have my back against the wall in many areas of life. Everyday I search for a better way to manage and live this life that I have in front of me. Life is pretty scary and difficult. The amounts of pain this body of mine endures on a daily basis should be banned from the human experience. The amount of pain my dear friend @Greg Sacramento faces on a daily basis should be vanished from human existence.

I wake up with HELL pain and HELL ringing daily. Each day my body says "please stay in bed all day". It's brutal. I know that if i do not go to the gym, then depression will lurk in and that is pure agony.

I am quite sure that the OP of this thread has struggled with his tinnitus. He just was determined to make his tinnitus and his life work for him. He was determined and had the courage to stand up against the tinnitus.

I like his message, and I like it when people go after what they want in their lives, even when affliction is in front of them...

Bless.......

 

[Travis Duncan]

I am very happy for the Op. He's positive and it seems that his tinnitus has got much better. My tinnitus has gotten even worst and much louder and I am fine with that. I never had an easy life and don't expect it to get easier but much harder. What I like most about his message is that, even when he was faced with affliction... he had a will and the willpower to beat it and get better.

This is HUGE when it comes to having a life that is filled with adversity. I have my back against the wall in many areas of life. Everyday I search for a better way to manage and live this life that I have in front of me. Life is pretty scary and difficult. The amounts of pain this body of mine endures on a daily basis should be banned from the human experience. The amount of pain my dear friend @Greg Sacramento faces on a daily basis should be vanished from human existence.

I wake up with HELL pain and HELL ringing daily. Each day my body says "please stay in bed all day". It's brutal. I know that if i do not go to the gym, then depression will lurk in and that is pure agony.

I am quite sure that the OP of this thread has struggled with his tinnitus. He just was determined to make his tinnitus and his life work for him. He was determined and had the courage to stand up against the tinnitus.

I like his message, and I like it when people go after what they want in their lives, even when affliction is in front of them...

Bless.......

Thank you! Prayers for healing to come to you speedily in Jesus name! Trying to be a light in a dark place! Have to PUSH! FIGHT! Suicide is not the answer!

 

[Smartone202]

@Travis Duncan Thank you for your replies.

Ok so your Tinnitus DID in fact, literally, get quieter. That's huge, but (and no offense) I don't think it's best to be starting entire threads saying Don't Listen to Them When They Say It Won't Go Away when for many of us the ringing may never go away or even subside like yours did. Right?

I dont see how a "spike" lasting more than a month could be eternal, considering you had 10 years without T... We all have spikes and moments; but its better to play positively through the sounds rather than negativity....

12 years actually, I believe. There was the 2004 initial injury. Subsided after a few weeks of panic, then by circa 08 I'd say it went to a non existent/could only hear it in a quiet room with me specifically listening for it level. You do make a good point I guess, where since it was not bad for SO long how can one night and one extra 45 minutes or so on a dance floor, but then again we all know ear damage is ear damage and who knows. My ear was injured in 2004 and that night may have been the final blow. I have had other spikes over the years, so yeah, its as if maybe this was the final blow.

 

[fishbone]

Thank you! Prayers for healing to come to you speedily in Jesus name! Trying to be a light in a dark place! Have to PUSH! FIGHT! Suicide is not the answer!

I pray to my maker each day and thank him for my daily bread and everything. It's not his fault that tinnitus happened to me. My faith, my dogs and my courage helps me survive each day

 

[threefirefour]

"Quasi-hobbycraft-tinnititions often tell us that Tinnitus is largely 'mind over matter!'

"Happiness is quite simply a choice folks...!!"

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How many more times do we have to listen to this kind of crap ??

Clickbait?

yes clickbait. You know a title being deliberately misleading to get people to click on the post.

 

[Smartone202]

yes clickbait. You know a title being deliberately misleading to get people to click on the post.

Well now he has explained that his T did in fact go down in tone and this isn't just a habituation story.

 

[Jazzer]

@Travis Duncan
You taught me a lesson.
You are right.
I have to admit something here.

I have noticed recently an ability in myself to reduce discussions to naked incontestable facts.
Accurate perhaps, but can be unforgiving.
Members are looking for hope and encouragement, and you are attempting to supply it, and I should applaud that.

I have had loud constant Tinnitus for four years now - with no appreciable change. Very nasty.
I learnt deep meditation some years ago, and can put myself right out in minutes.
I practice this every morning in my bath successfully for 20 / 30 minutes.
As I come out of it, my day stretches before me as a long expanse which after some hours becomes very wearing.

You see, the one thing I have been totally unable to achieve is a reduction in my noise.
I believe this to be perhaps true for most of us.
I plan to do another meditation in the early afternoon also, to give me a break, and top up a calming influence.
I'll see how that goes.
Please take this as an apology my friend.
It may also be helpful if I spend less time on here.
Best wishes Travis,
Dave x

 

[threefirefour]

Well now he has explained that his T did in fact go down in tone and this isn't just a habituation story.

Yeah you're right there. I was upset because in most cases it doesn't go away. He was lucky. Although I agree looking back, no real reason to be upset at such a thing.

 

[Smartone202]

I dont see how a "spike" lasting more than a month could be eternal, considering you had 10 years without T... We all have spikes and moments; but its better to play positively through the sounds rather than negativity....

I should clarify that while I said "non existent", it WAS always there, just a level so low that it never bothered me

 

[fishbone]

@Travis Duncan
You taught me a lesson.
You are right.
I have to admit something here.

I have noticed recently an ability in myself to reduce discussions to naked incontestable facts.
Accurate perhaps, but can be unforgiving.
Members are looking for hope and encouragement, and you are attempting to supply it, and I should applaud that.

I have had loud constant Tinnitus for four years now - with no appreciable change. Very nasty.
I learnt deep meditation some years ago, and can put myself right out in minutes.
I practice this every morning in my bath successfully for 20 / 30 minutes.
As I come out of it, my day stretches before me as a long expanse which after some hours becomes very wearing.

You see, the one thing I have been totally unable to achieve is a reduction in my noise.
I believe this to be perhaps true for most of us.
I plan to do another meditation in the early afternoon also, to give me a break, and top up a calming influence.
I'll see how that goes.
Please take this as an apology my friend.
It may also be helpful if I spend less time on here.
Best wishes Travis,
Dave x

Dave I have done severe/profound damage to my ears. Due to this I don't have much of reduction in the tinnitus and It even gets louder. If your ears have taken decades of damage from the music then they might be possibly damaged. Meditation (your method) and the gym (my method) are great at shifting our focus away from the noise/hell that rings out of our heads. My gym routines do not make my tinnitus more gentle. I go to the gym due to it being a stress reducer for me. Yes, stress is a culprit for tinnitus, but my reduction in tinnitus is not going to happen because I have less stress.

The damage I have done to my ears is not reversible. Please do try to add another meditation session, but if it does not reduce your tinnitus/volume....don't be too harsh on yourself...

 

[Lane]

I remember you coffee girl writing how you heard a spike lasting more than a month will be permanent.

@Smartone202, I believe @Bill Bauer has mentioned several times he's aware of people's spike lasting as long as several months before calming down again. He may have even had this experience himself. -- Best to you!

 

[Lane]

Well now he has explained that his T did in fact go down in tone and this isn't just a habituation story.

I think that when it comes to posting any kind of success story, that it would be extraordinarily helpful (and considerate) for readers to get a clear and unequivocal statement at the very onset of the story as to whether it's a story of habituation, or more a story of actual reduction in tinnitus volume or intensity. Or somewhere inbetween.

I have to admit, I often find it maddening to read an entire success story, and STILL NOT KNOW what the situation is (and this actually happens quite often). So I can understand why somebody might refer to a thread title as being clickbait, if the story that follows it gives little to no clarification as to what what's meant by the title.

@Travis Duncan. this is not meant to be critical of you, or your efforts to bring hope to readers here. It's clear your message has been very helpful for some. As you share your story with others going forward however, I would encourage you to be as clear you can be with your language and your words, so as not to leave any kind of confusion about what kind of success you're really talking about. -- All the Best!

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Physiology is about functions and mechanisms within a living system of mind and body. Three major systems that associate with tinnitus are the sensory, immune and muscular systems. The sensory system associates with the nervous system, the brain, memory, hearing and emotions. The immune system associates with many illnesses including viruses, toxins and other invaders that may have involvement.

Most of the postings on this board associate with the above. This is who we are - keyword: tinnitus and helping others.

It may be possible to help someone, especially with physicals or coping, but if there's hearing loss then it's more difficult. We help others with precautions as what to do and not to do, but progression is always an unknown factor.

I had posted some psychology studies about how some who's tinnitus leveled off think that others will have the same experience. No one has the right to express that unless someone has a possible physical curable element relation to having tinnitus. Otherwise this is called being self-centered.

The brain never forgets as that is part of the sensory system. Always be careful to what you preach.

Update: @Jazzer I would not have backed off from what you said in post 45 as you did in post 53.

 

[DebInAustralia]

Glad you found peace but I just don't know how you can go from horrible ringing to "let your mind listen to it" and now you barely hear a sound when in bed at night. I know it's a mental thing, but I just don't get how it's possible if the ringing is still legitimately there

It's hard to believe, but I do believe the brain is able to rewire itself.