Dr. Wilden's LLLT Laser Machine Reduced My Tinnitus to 1/2 of What It Was in 6 Weeks

[Tom Cnyc]

Why not? If there was a miraculous treatment for tz do you not think that every doctor and clinic that treats t would offer this tovpatients? I hope people can be scientifically minded and know that anecdote evidence (oh, this worked for me)counts for nothing. Many people get better on their own and the things they take or use really have no impact on that. That's why we have double blind controlled studies...to take out the bbn iin and control for other variables

My challenge to all is this. Before you respond, do some research on basic science and research. Here's a good site to start: sciencebasedmedicine.org

I'm all for double blind studies - it's why I called out correlation vs causation above.

A few issues there though.
1 - you can't really give a placebo that literally lights up or doesn't. the patient knows whether they're control or expose, as does the doctor
2 - there are many causes of tinnitus, and its difficult to separate them
3 - tinnitus is a subjective experience, and is not able to be measured by precise instruments
3a. You mention anecdotal. 100% of tinnitus treatment is based on anecdotal information, including diagnosis.
4 - to see if cochlear hairs have regenerated, you have to kill the patient.
5 - it's not the clap - this isn't a 2 shot treatment we're testing. it takes YEARS.

Now go get funding for that study. Especially considering you can't patent a lightbulb for exclusivity.

 

[AmericanJosh]

Here's another great primer about anecdotal evidence.

 

[attheedgeofscience]

Bottom line is this> LLLT has been around for a long time. If it worked, it would be used at every clinic.

Medicine doesn't quite work like this. A concrete, recent, and pertinent example for you is that of Otonomy's OTIPRIO which proved to be superior at treating otitis externa vs. current treatment regimes with Ciprofloxacin. You would think that a superior product would "sell itself" but reality is sometimes different. Why is that? It's due to that exogenous variable called "psychology". Physicians are a conservative lot and don't necessarily care for change – call it a we-do-it-as-we-do-it-because-that's-the-way-we-have-always-done-it mentality. This isn't something new. Remember how Joesph Lister (tried to) introduce carbolic acid for antiseptic surgery...? He had trouble convincing surgeons of the importance of using antiseptics at the time as surgeons thought it impossible that they – as surgeons – could be the root cause of infections (and subsequent deaths) in their patients.

I personally cured my relapsing autoimmune uveitis using stem cells. And... I am likely amongst the first few people in the world to do so. However, that's already five years ago, and still, stem cells are not at all commonplace for that condition (or autoimmune diseases in general). In fact, there is even literature on it such as this: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25125599

 

[another sean]

Also it has to do with money. I know someone personally who had MS, was bound in a wheel chair taking US drugs for MS, then went to Germany who's protocol was composed of all natural compounds. Granted he had to take it for life and had to return to Germany and refill a suit case of this stuff every 6 months but I shit you not he was walking in month. But it's not going to be in any hospital here because you cant patent natural compounds.

 

[briano]

Cool, how long after you got t did you start treatment?
I'd love to play bass without the hiss riding on top.

I play bass too! I think the hiss started to fade after about 4 - 6 months. I've been using my laser for almost two years now. My plan was to give it a 2 year trial and then decide if it worked or not. I think it has done a great job on reducing my hiss and the fullness feeling that I had. However, it did not really restore my hearing loss in my left ear. So I'm just about ready to move on to something else to help me out with hearing restoration. I'll be selling my laser (at a discounted price), if you or anyone is interested. Since I don't have the hiss any more, I don't think I really need the laser any more.

 

[Honky]

@Tom Cnyc
What is this $100 LED you bought? I'm very curious to try something like this.

I don't believe all treatments for tinnitus are BS or snake oil. The medical community and ENT doctors are warped by their own ignorance, blinded by apathy and sidelined by big pharmaceutical companies. Big pharma wants absolute results for absolute conditions, but T is not one thing, it is several different things, different for everyone. Of course the ENTs will say there isn't anything they can do. There are no companies that can claim workable solutions to such a diverse problem.

My latest therapy I invented: crinkling a little fruit gummy package or even the ubiquitous plastic bag by my bad ear. Dispels the ringing for at least a few seconds to several minutes. Seems to recalibrate and cancel out if only briefly the phantom noise. Try it. It works. I am not going to get a patent on it either so it's free. Thinknof it as 'a brief quiet window back in time before all this hissing stuff began'.

 

[lymebite]

My latest therapy I invented: crinkling a little fruit gummy package or even the ubiquitous plastic bag by my bad ear. Dispels the ringing for at least a few seconds to several minutes.

Probably you are experiencing a phenomenon called "residual inhibition." Can google for many sources of information, here is one link with some info.

http://www.residualinhibition.com/residual-inhibition.pdf

 

[Honky]

Probably you are experiencing a phenomenon called "residual inhibition." Can google for many sources of information, here is one link with some info.

http://www.residualinhibition.com/residual-inhibition.pdf

That is really really cool! Thank you for posting your reply. Made my day!

 

[briano]

Hi All,
After 2 years of use, I'm ready to sell my Wilden laser. I feel like it has helped me as much as it can. If interested, please feel free to contact me.

 

[another sean]

Hi All,
After 2 years of use, I'm ready to sell my Wilden laser. I feel like it has helped me as much as it can. If interested, please feel free to contact me.

Hey @briano , in the end, how often did you use the laser and for how many minutes each time?

 

[briano]

Hey @briano , in the end, how often did you use the laser and for how many minutes each time?

Twice a day for 30 minutes each session. I did this routine for 10 days straight and then took 2 days off. I did this for 2 years straight.

 

[John Meyers]

I plan on reading a number of the success stories, and look forward to reading and participating in this helpful forum.

I must say though, as a business person, and sorry to have to say this which is my opinion...

"The trick with this is he doesn't accept charge cards, it has to be a direct bank deposit from your bank into his."

This is a huge RED FLAG.

Basically the buyer has no recourse at all to get their money back other than suing that seller in his country's small claims court. With a credit card, the buyer can simply dispute the charge with the credit card bank, and with something such as this usually get their money back. Which in my opinion is exactly why the seller doesn't accept credit cards.

From a business knowledge standpoint, my view is that if this machine truly worked, he would have presented the idea to a reputable company, they would market it, and this inventor would have became an instant multi-millionaire.

I will never buy this guy's machine, and the money isn't the only reason. As bad as my tinnitus has become, I would be fearful that a device such as this, could make the tinnitus even worse.

That being said, since you already bought it...I hope this machine does work for you, because my tinnitus is at the point of being a problem, and I hope to find a solution here, but this guy's machine will not be it.

I agree Stephen. -- I don't like the idea of someone linking to my bank account.

If T is predominant in the U.S. as well, I'm curious as to why someone doesn't manufacture one here in the U.S. -- I would think that it would be a great business venture for someone (if it really does work)..

 

[Caveman]

In my case, it won't be that hard to determine that. I have had 2 years of exactly the same audiograms with no real change. If there is a change in my next audiogram it will be because of the laser. I am not doing anything else differently than I have done the past few years. Please note, I too am a bit skeptical. Although I feel a difference the real proof is in the audiogram. My goal here is not to sell or promote this device. My goal is to share my experiences with people and help them to determine if this option is worth it or not. I just don't feel like sitting on my butt and not doing anything in the hopes that someone will find a cure. One thing I can say for sure is that it has not made my tinnitus any worse. There was a small spike or two during the past few months but nothing really bad to speak of. The audiogram will tell us if my hearing improved, stayed the same or got worse. Unfortunately, it can't tell you how my tinnitus is doing. Right now, I'd say that my tinnitus has probably decreased a small bit. Keep in mind, my tinnitus was never really bad to begin with. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me.

So... what about that audiogram? Will you post it, please?

 

[Caveman]

I got tinnitus, extreme reactivity, and moderate high frequency hearing loss April 4, 2016 from a bad ear infection. It was loud and unbearable. I wondered how I would make it. After over 2 months, Dr. Wilden's Lux Laser machine arrived and I began doing his home ear laser therapy daily.

Didn't notice a lot the first weeks, then began to notice the tinnitus was getting a little softer. Dr. Wilden calls this 'thinner and flatter.' It became less intense. This was a miracle. After 6 weeks on the daily home laser, I would say my tinnitus was 1/2 as loud as it was in the first months.

As this appears to work for me, I hope to get some treatment at Dr. Wilden's office in Ibiza, Spain in the future as well...to continue to totally eliminate the soft, more high pitched hiss that is left.

I have not had another audiogram but it seems my hearing has improved as well. Will let you know after a new audiogram.

I also use ear plugs to protect my ears from louder noise...I use them a lot when out. My reactivity is still there, but it has improved.

I pray daily for Jesus' guidance and healing touch.

A few years have passed... did your audiogram show any improvements? Would you please post it?

 

[Phat Tuna]

I got tinnitus, extreme reactivity, and moderate high frequency hearing loss April 4, 2016 from a bad ear infection.

Can you describe the reactivity?

 

[briano]

So... what about that audiogram? Will you post it, please?

Hi Caveman, I think my audiograms have already been posted. Let me know, if you can't find them.

 

[Caveman]

Hi Caveman, I think my audiograms have already been posted. Let me know, if you can't find them.

I'm sorry, I can't find them!

 

[briano]

I'm sorry, I can't find them!

I found my last 2 tests. I used the Wilden laser for two years. During that time, my hearing loss seemed to get a tiny bit better and the hiss and fullness feeling that I had decreased. I think the laser helped me with that the most. I sold it to someone last year. Since it wasn't helping to restore my hearing loss, I figured that I didn't need it any more.

 

[Caveman]

I found my last 2 tests. I used the Wilden laser for two years. During that time, my hearing loss seemed to get a tiny bit better and the hiss and fullness feeling that I had decreased. I think the laser helped me with that the most. I sold it to someone last year. Since it wasn't helping to restore my hearing loss, I figured that I didn't need it any more.

They are almost identical!!!
So the laser did have a positive effect on your hearing loss and tinnitus but only in the early going?

 

[briano]

They are almost identical!!!
So the laser did have a positive effect on your hearing loss and tinnitus but only in the early going?

My earlier audiograms were very a little worse but not by much. The laser helped me with the fullness feeling and the hiss/ring. It didn't really restore any hearing. Hopefully, there will be something that will repair that in the near future.

 

[BILZER]

I am looking at possibly the Konftec laser. Can anyone comment on what their experience has been with this device or suggest something else? I am three months into hell, drug induced tinnitus.

 

[GBB]

Dude I don't care AT ALL if you buy a laser. So I'm not going to argue with you. I just said that he's not spamming products and came to his defense when someone insinuated he was spamming / scum.

I also think Wilden is overcharging, and probably a dick. I bought a $100 LED.

I have made progress I didn't think possible, and I'd be lying if I said my healing didn't speed up a lot when I first got the light.

Could be total coincidence - both Briano and I said we're not sure the causation, but there is correlation.

As to, "if it worked, it'd be used at every clinic" - I know FIRST HAND that is bullshit. I literally had testicle pain for 2 years straight. Athletic Pubalgia. Every doctor I went to said "sports hernia does not exist". I went to over 10. There are 5 surgeons in the world that treat this. Mark Zoland is one. My insurance company refused payment b/c "it doesn't exist".

Guess what? The surgery worked. Every clinic was wrong, and didn't treat me.

Hey, appreciate it's not an exact science, but I'm curious if you spiked when using the LLLT device you chose. I have one of the devices that is commonly touted here but every time I use it I get a temporary spike, which I've been told is a good sign, but curious about your experience as you seem to be a sober, rational-minded individual.

 

[Tom Cnyc]

Hey, appreciate it's not an exact science, but I'm curious if you spiked when using the LLLT device you chose. I have one of the devices that is commonly touted here but every time I use it I get a temporary spike, which I've been told is a good sign, but curious about your experience as you seem to be a sober, rational-minded individual.

The times I really heavily used the light, I have noticed that my sound got louder, but also less tonal after multiple days. So, instead of a eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on volume 5, it has a hissssssssssssss on vol 7. Which to me - is easier to deal with. The hiss volume increase was temporary.

I want to stress that I am not part of a larger study, and with a focus group of 1, correlation and causation are impossible to separate. But I do believe the light helped me. My strong improvement started within a few months of using it heavily, and I had tinnitus for quite a long time at this point.

I haven't used it since December of 2019 at this point (my last spike, from what I believe was COVID-19).

 

[GBB]

The times I really heavily used the light, I have noticed that my sound got louder, but also less tonal after multiple days. So, instead of a eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on volume 5, it has a hissssssssssssss on vol 7. Which to me - is easier to deal with. The hiss volume increase was temporary.

I want to stress that I am not part of a larger study, and with a focus group of 1, correlation and causation are impossible to separate. But I do believe the light helped me. My strong improvement started within a few months of using it heavily, and I had tinnitus for quite a long time at this point.

I haven't used it since December of 2019 at this point (my last spike, from what I believe was COVID-19).

Thanks - glad yours became a hiss - I am hoping to get there one day myself. Appreciate you sharing your experience.

 

[GBB]

The times I really heavily used the light, I have noticed that my sound got louder, but also less tonal after multiple days. So, instead of a eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on volume 5, it has a hissssssssssssss on vol 7. Which to me - is easier to deal with. The hiss volume increase was temporary.

I want to stress that I am not part of a larger study, and with a focus group of 1, correlation and causation are impossible to separate. But I do believe the light helped me. My strong improvement started within a few months of using it heavily, and I had tinnitus for quite a long time at this point.

I haven't used it since December of 2019 at this point (my last spike, from what I believe was COVID-19).

One last question if that's okay - you used the Red Light Man combo light, which has both red light and infra red, right? I believe LED's may be gentler than lasers so am likely to make the switch, but just want to inform myself based on the anecdotal successes of the people here. Thanks!

 

[Tom Cnyc]

One last question if that's okay - you used the Red Light Man combo light, which has both red light and infra red, right? I believe LED's may be gentler than lasers so am likely to make the switch, but just want to inform myself based on the anecdotal successes of the people here. Thanks!

Yes. I used the Red Man Light. At $100 it seemed like a low risk endeavor. I can't advocate for spending thousands without concrete proof there is any difference at all.