Fireworks Going Off — Crazy Loud Spike

#31
Jiri said:
Someone mentioned here that sound lessens with distance. That's correct.
However I'm not entirely sure if the table given in that comment was accurate. I might ask someone from the faculty of Maths & Physics to help me calculate the lessening of the sound impact from the 'boom' epicentre.

I'm sure there will be a lot of variables to take into account (the sound power of the blast, distance from the 'boom' epicentre, open field area vs a blockade between one and the explosive etc. etc.)

Now with the New Year's Eve and all the fireworks coming this could be interesting to look into and get some valid info. If nothing else it might put some people at ease and lessen their anxiety.

Anyways, how do you feel?
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I wish I was better at math for this tp be honest. It would indeed be very interesting to know. Heard some firworks going off outside again, the damn kids at it again. It was only 5pm and I hope nobody else got caught in it like I did.

I feel OK, spike is still going on but I guess I'll learn to live with this new loudness if this would be permanent. I guess regret is the worst part but I have tried my best to do what I could and not putting headmuffs on before stepping out seems so innocent but it coulf have changed and saved my ears from this. I had really bad luck, I know I cant control that. I just don't want to avoid social situations, hanging out with friends and leaving my house without having big earmuffs on. I enjoy being able to go to a cafe without being anxious if it is too loud. Takes so much of being spontaneous and being able to make new friends by "letting yourself out there". I guess I am more sad that I now feel I can't leave my house and take off my muffs for a sec until I get through my door.
 
#32
Fangen said:
I wish I was better at math for this tp be honest. It would indeed be very interesting to know. Heard some firworks going off outside again, the damn kids at it again. It was only 5pm and I hope nobody else got caught in it like I did.

I feel OK, spike is still going on but I guess I'll learn to live with this new loudness if this would be permanent. I guess regret is the worst part but I have tried my best to do what I could and not putting headmuffs on before stepping out seems so innocent but it coulf have changed and saved my ears from this. I had really bad luck, I know I cant control that. I just don't want to avoid social situations, hanging out with friends and leaving my house without having big earmuffs on. I enjoy being able to go to a cafe without being anxious if it is too loud. Takes so much of being spontaneous and being able to make new friends by "letting yourself out there". I guess I am more sad that I now feel I can't leave my house and take off my muffs for a sec until I get through my door.
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I have a nasty spike too from going to the mall. I walked next to a small orchestra that were playing Xmas songs (They weren't too loud), didnt wear earplugs and now dealing with a bad spike, last time i had a spike this bad was when i went to that resturant for 10 minutes without earplugs..had a 5 day bad spike after that. From now on, each time I walk outside my house peltor muffs will be on my ears. I am done fooling around...too many unexpected sounds too, however I caused my T to go up because I became too comfy with how low T was. Stupid me! :(
 
#33
I feel your pain, something similar happened to me 3 days ago. It's hard not to feel like " i can't believe this happened" but i think it will get better for you. I don't think you have hearing damage from that, it should be safe with that distence and dispersal before reaching your ear.

One more thing, i have noticed the muscles around my ear contracting and holding pressure when i am stressed about damage, or after a loud noise, even a week after at some times, and when i relaxed or believed that no damage was done my ear poped a little, like it was holding pressure from the tension, and even making the ear feel under water. Though it went back to normal every time.
 
#35
Seawater7 said:
I feel your pain, something similar happened to me 3 days ago. It's hard not to feel like " i can't believe this happened" but i think it will get better for you. I don't think you have hearing damage from that, it should be safe with that distence and dispersal before reaching your ear.

One more thing, i have noticed the muscles around my ear contracting and holding pressure when i am stressed about damage, or after a loud noise, even a week after at some times, and when i relaxed or believed that no damage was done my ear poped a little, like it was holding pressure from the tension, and even making the ear feel under water. Though it went back to normal every time.
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I'm sorry to hear that! I hope you feeö better!

Thank your for your kind words, only time will tell if it is just temporary. We can only hope now.

My jaw also gets really tense sometimes. My T spikes when I am clenching my jaw during sleep or being stressed. I am sure its also a cause but I try to relax these days. Unfortunetly this spike is louder than anytime my jaw have been tensed but I will try to relax more! :)
 
#37
Have you had a bad spike before? I have had probably 20 in the last 5 years, and probably only 3 or 4 of them were really loud, one from anxiety only, and another from a dog yelp close to my head, they both took around 10 days to subside to base level.
I feel like i learn something every time that happens, like how to calm myself down better. Hearing your story makes me feel a lot of compassion, and i understand how you feel about feeling unsafe now, though there is no way it's your fault this happened, it probably happens to a lot of people, though they don't have the same sensitivity.

The way i see it, if i want to live in this world i will have to adjust to the few times those louder sounds happen, and built a defence, and way to recover faster.
Ear muffs all the time is not something i think i could do, and i hear its extremely rare to get hearing damage from a short impulse noise.

Also when we get old, most of us will loose some hearing, and maybe get ringing then. Both my parents have it, so maybe i am more susceptible and would have got it no matter what. The nervous system flairing up deffinetly makes mine way louder though, and when i am doing really good with it, i feel determined not to give it any attention, and not to obsess over it.

Then it feels like a soft space surrounds the sound no matter how sharp it is, in the state of surrender.
 
#38
Fangen said:
the damn kids at it again.
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They do it where I live a lot of the time too. Come to think about it, I did it myself when I was like 10.
Fangen said:
I feel OK, spike is still going on but I guess I'll learn to live with this new loudness if this would be permanent.
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It won't be. I know its hard but try to throw some positive thinking in and in a couple of days/weeks it's likely, it'll subside. Or go see ENT and get on that course of Prednisone. Don't take your chances if you feel it's that bad.
Fangen said:
I just don't want to avoid social situations, hanging out with friends and leaving my house without having big earmuffs on. I enjoy being able to go to a cafe without being anxious if it is too loud. Takes so much of being spontaneous and being able to make new friends by "letting yourself out there". I guess I am more sad that I now feel I can't leave my house and take off my muffs for a sec until I get through my door.
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I know just exactly how you feel. I wear earmuffs on whenever I leave the house, sometimes even with my earplugs in too. When doing chores I'm wearing my earmuffs but as I recently found out that's more to do with hyperacusis then tinnitus. Still, it's a protection.
And ah, yes. The social life. I loooved clubbing (on average once or twice a month at most - too busy with studies & work), then there's cafes, social meetings with friends, going to the movies, a flat share with 7 awesome homeboys, even now going to do the shopping in a busy mall doesn't feel right anymore. Social life. The specialized literature I'm reading now on the topic gives some new perspective on things and most importantly hope that things will be back to normal :) I'm sure you've heard of that saying: Time heals all wounds.
As for the earmuffs, check out this thread: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/good-quality-slick-safety-earmuffs.25727/#post-296356
Some of them look pretty sleek IMO and could be mistaken for your regular set of headphones while providing a good NRR protection.
 
#39
 
#40
Seawater7 said:
Have you had a bad spike before? I have had probably 20 in the last 5 years, and probably only 3 or 4 of them were really loud, one from anxiety only, and another from a dog yelp close to my head, they both took around 10 days to subside to base level.
I feel like i learn something every time that happens, like how to calm myself down better. Hearing your story makes me feel a lot of compassion, and i understand how you feel about feeling unsafe now, though there is no way it's your fault this happened, it probably happens to a lot of people, though they don't have the same sensitivity.

The way i see it, if i want to live in this world i will have to adjust to the few times those louder sounds happen, and built a defence, and way to recover faster.
Ear muffs all the time is not something i think i could do, and i hear its extremely rare to get hearing damage from a short impulse noise.

Also when we get old, most of us will loose some hearing, and maybe get ringing then. Both my parents have it, so maybe i am more susceptible and would have got it no matter what. The nervous system flairing up deffinetly makes mine way louder though, and when i am doing really good with it, i feel determined not to give it any attention, and not to obsess over it.

Then it feels like a soft space surrounds the sound no matter how sharp it is, in the state of surrender.
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I have had bad spikes before, not this bad but spikes that took a week or two to go away. I handle anxiety a lot better now, just like you, I felt awful day 1 but got back pretty decently. I just feel more hopeless that this world is such a loud place and even if things happen that I can't control, that is not my fault, I am still the one living with the consequences. Those kids don't care about other people's safety, the world don't take into account that you have sensitive ears.

I know it is inevitable, but I felt I could have done something to prevent these things from happening but then I'd walk around with muffs all the time, and that don't really work. Would love to be able to hear what people say to me when I walk down a quiet street or at restaurants/cafes.

Thank you again for the comforting words, it helps a lot! I hope you're doing well after your incident as well, and that any spike you have goes away soon!
 
#41
Jiri said:
They do it where I live a lot of the time too. Come to think about it, I did it myself when I was like 10.

It won't be. I know its hard but try to throw some positive thinking in and in a couple of days/weeks it's likely, it'll subside. Or go see ENT and get on that course of Prednisone. Don't take your chances if you feel it's that bad.

I know just exactly how you feel. I wear earmuffs on whenever I leave the house, sometimes even with my earplugs in too. When doing chores I'm wearing my earmuffs but as I recently found out that's more to do with hyperacusis then tinnitus. Still, it's a protection.
And ah, yes. The social life. I loooved clubbing (on average once or twice a month at most - too busy with studies & work), then there's cafes, social meetings with friends, going to the movies, a flat share with 7 awesome homeboys, even now going to do the shopping in a busy mall doesn't feel right anymore. Social life. The specialized literature I'm reading now on the topic gives some new perspective on things and most importantly hope that things will be back to normal :) I'm sure you've heard of that saying: Time heals all wounds.
As for the earmuffs, check out this thread: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/good-quality-slick-safety-earmuffs.25727/#post-296356
Some of them look pretty sleek IMO and could be mistaken for your regular set of headphones while providing a good NRR protection.
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Jiri said:
They do it where I live a lot of the time too. Come to think about it, I did it myself when I was like 10.

It won't be. I know its hard but try to throw some positive thinking in and in a couple of days/weeks it's likely, it'll subside. Or go see ENT and get on that course of Prednisone. Don't take your chances if you feel it's that bad.

I know just exactly how you feel. I wear earmuffs on whenever I leave the house, sometimes even with my earplugs in too. When doing chores I'm wearing my earmuffs but as I recently found out that's more to do with hyperacusis then tinnitus. Still, it's a protection.
And ah, yes. The social life. I loooved clubbing (on average once or twice a month at most - too busy with studies & work), then there's cafes, social meetings with friends, going to the movies, a flat share with 7 awesome homeboys, even now going to do the shopping in a busy mall doesn't feel right anymore. Social life. The specialized literature I'm reading now on the topic gives some new perspective on things and most importantly hope that things will be back to normal :) I'm sure you've heard of that saying: Time heals all wounds.
As for the earmuffs, check out this thread: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/good-quality-slick-safety-earmuffs.25727/#post-296356
Some of them look pretty sleek IMO and could be mistaken for your regular set of headphones while providing a good NRR protection.
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I have an appointment with an ENT early Jan but no one seem to be working during Christmas and New Year (like people stop being ill during holidays) and I tried to call a lot of different places with the same answer "sorry, we can't help you" or "I have never heard of that drug and even if it does help you need to be examined first and we don't have any appointmens free until next year". It's too late for it anyway since it'a been 5 days now. I tried to get it within the first 48 h but I won't beat myself up for not getting hands on it. I am sure it helps but there is nothing that proves it is 100% effective so it might not have helped me. Would have been great to have it than to not have it but I can't force them to prescribe it. This is the hand I was dealt in life :(

Those muffs looks great, will order one I believe so I feel less weird going around with the one I have now (Peltor x4a).

Hope you are doing well and thanks again for you positivity!
 
#42
Fangen said:
It's too late for it anyway since it'a been 5 days now.
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I know I was told by one ENT that they can do miracles within 48 hours. That's quite literally what she said. It took me 4 hits before I finally ran into a proper one who prescribed the Prednisone for me and that was almost a month after the onset! It was a heavy course and I'd say it did help me slightly. All the other ENTs before her were like "meh, gotta learn to live with it" and just shrugged it of and were like next patient pls. Uneducated ph*cks. After I finished taking the course of Prednisone I returned for a control check up and this new ENT told me that I didn't miss on anything. Standard protocol she said and that I should be on Betaserc/Betahistine for the next 3 month + hyperbaric oxygen treatment(which I'm starting next month & that'll be my month 3). I guess you can't speed up things, just keep pushing forward and never give up. I know it's easy for me to say since this can be a pretty debilitating condition. Sometimes I wonder if the miracle would've happened had I taken the drug within the two days frame window. Then again, all it does is it reduces the inflammation and calms down the area. On the bright side of things there are many people reporting gradual slow improvement. Brain does have a certain level of recovery and plasticity (take ufc fighters or boxers i.e. - they'd all have been brain dead by now were it to be otherwise). Nerve damage just takes a lot longer to repair. My tinnitus was so bad that i ended up hospitalized in a mental house(typing the message from there btw lol). I think ppl underestimate the help of psychiatrist and psychologist big time when it comes to T & H. They can give you drugs that are not ototoxic, will lessen your anxiety/pain and if nothing else they'll make you not care about your T so much. Then when your body calms down it'll be easier for it to recover. One baby step at a time. You didn't miss out on anything. Find a proper ENT that's gonna be interested in your case and you can start working from there. The last ENT I saw in this new hospital gave me a 30%-40%, mebie even a 50% chance of I'm lucky that my T will decrease in volume that much :) My plan is to do what the docs advice was, stay calm, protect my hearing - basically live in a bubble for the next 3 - 6 months and try to believe in miracles. I guess the same could very well apply to you. Also, remember what the first convo with the automatic introductory msg said? People stay on this forum on average for 3 months, that's it. Not to mention as Bill correctly pointed out this forum is overrepresented with people who are either new and scared (just like me viz my 'intro urself' thread) or the small portion of people whose T hasn't gotten better. There is hope and that is massive. So don't fall prey to panic, try to make a battle plan and you got this! I'll keep us all in my thoughts and prayers, homies :)
 
#43
Jiri said:
Do you enjoy not thinking? This lady right here is in severe pain, needs help and advice. What did you do? Patronize her. Her response to your comment was spot on.
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The OP frequently posts about the frustrations with "tinnitus in a noisy world" and so the concept of noise and potential worsening shouldn't be news – here two recent prime example:
Around this time last year, I believe the OP even advocated the use of earplugs:

www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-years-is-coming-dont-forget-your-plugs.19298

So, in a certain sense, I just re-iterated that very opinion. When it comes to tinnitus, there are two things I am big on:
  • promotion of tinnitus research
  • prevention of tinnitus
The latter includes the use of earplugs to mitigate the risk of auditory insults. In the year 2017 – soon to be 2018 – that is unfortunately (still) the best remedy science has to offer when it comes to ringing in the ears. However, despite the risks related to noise exposure, this forum does have a number of members who advocate to "continue living as before" (and skip the earplugs). And I someone who likes to add a bit of counterbalance to that argument – which – apparently has a tendency to stir the pot. I am not surprised: whenever something doesn't fit the narrative that people want to hear, it has a tendency to leave those same folks with an uneasy feeling. And the reality is that average-dude out there likes to be reassured that everything is going to be alright, that you can continue to do what you always did and that your life will not be side-tracked by tinnitus. My message is: the chances of that narrative becoming true is correlated with avoiding noise exposure – which – unfortunately in a noisy world includes the use of earplugs. Admittedly, that message does have a bit of trouble sinking into the skull of some visitors of this forum, but I do make the effort every-now-and-then.
 
#44
First of all I don't live like I used to. Not even half or 25% of it.

I had earmuffs on me when I went to the diner. As I was carrying food and it was a bit crowded I figure I'd put them as soon as I stepped outside. Big woop, that was a bad idea. You make it sounds like I went out on the busiet street that were playing a metal concert without plugs.

Unless you can see how I live my life with T I honestly don't think you can pass any judgement on how much I have done to protect myself or not.
 
#45
Jiri said:
I know I was told by one ENT that they can do miracles within 48 hours. That's quite literally what she said. It took me 4 hits before I finally ran into a proper one who prescribed the Prednisone for me and that was almost a month after the onset! It was a heavy course and I'd say it did help me slightly. All the other ENTs before her were like "meh, gotta learn to live with it" and just shrugged it of and were like next patient pls. Uneducated ph*cks. After I finished taking the course of Prednisone I returned for a control check up and this new ENT told me that I didn't miss on anything. Standard protocol she said and that I should be on Betaserc/Betahistine for the next 3 month + hyperbaric oxygen treatment(which I'm starting next month & that'll be my month 3). I guess you can't speed up things, just keep pushing forward and never give up. I know it's easy for me to say since this can be a pretty debilitating condition. Sometimes I wonder if the miracle would've happened had I taken the drug within the two days frame window. Then again, all it does is it reduces the inflammation and calms down the area. On the bright side of things there are many people reporting gradual slow improvement. Brain does have a certain level of recovery and plasticity (take ufc fighters or boxers i.e. - they'd all have been brain dead by now were it to be otherwise). Nerve damage just takes a lot longer to repair. My tinnitus was so bad that i ended up hospitalized in a mental house(typing the message from there btw lol). I think ppl underestimate the help of psychiatrist and psychologist big time when it comes to T & H. They can give you drugs that are not ototoxic, will lessen your anxiety/pain and if nothing else they'll make you not care about your T so much. Then when your body calms down it'll be easier for it to recover. One baby step at a time. You didn't miss out on anything. Find a proper ENT that's gonna be interested in your case and you can start working from there. The last ENT I saw in this new hospital gave me a 30%-40%, mebie even a 50% chance of I'm lucky that my T will decrease in volume that much :) My plan is to do what the docs advice was, stay calm, protect my hearing - basically live in a bubble for the next 3 - 6 months and try to believe in miracles. I guess the same could very well apply to you. Also, remember what the first convo with the automatic introductory msg said? People stay on this forum on average for 3 months, that's it. Not to mention as Bill correctly pointed out this forum is overrepresented with people who are either new and scared (just like me viz my 'intro urself' thread) or the small portion of people whose T hasn't gotten better. There is hope and that is massive. So don't fall prey to panic, try to make a battle plan and you got this! I'll keep us all in my thoughts and prayers, homies :)
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Sorry to hear it got that bad! I hope you're recovering well and that you feel better (you seem so at least so rooting on you!).

I'll see my ENT in tw weeks and I'll have a general talk with him about this. None of the countless doctors nor ENT have heard about it and only one mentioned something about stereoids at my onset. She said it was too late and when I spoke to the acutal doctor (first lady was a nurse) she almost got mad at me and told me really rudely that there was no such thing and that I was wrong basically. The ER refused to see me after the firecrack incident and I am just more or less ignored by any medicare facility. Oh well, I tried my best and since you also said it doesn't automatically make miracles (I believe a lot is also placebo) then it does feel better knowing I didn't miss much. I don't think they ever do hyperbaric oxygen chamber for any T related problems :/ one of the few downside with free health care is that no one want to do more than they have to for you. T is considered a non-issue, it's not an illness for them and thus it is not something they need to treat. I hate my country sometimes haha
 
#46
@attheedgeofscience That may all be true, but look here, this is a "friendly tinnitus forum helping you..."

If someone experiences a bad acoustic trauma, is in pain and frustrated what you don't do is what you did. Viz my above post. Support is the key word here.

In terms of research, science advancement and prevention - I agree with you.

Cheers,

Jiri
 
#47
Fangen said:
no one want to do more than they have to for you
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Not sure where you're located in the UK but there are tinnitus clinics in London. I'm sure they will care.

Also, if someone is not willing to help, ignores you etc. then ditch them. Like I said it took me 4 - 5 hits before I finally ran into the right ENTs. Some doctors are just not educated well about the topic, but if she was rude to you I'd certainly return fire and put her in back in bet place. Have some respect yourself.

Hold strong, you will get past this and lead a happy life once again. I believe this for the both of us.

Cheers,

J
 
#49
Jiri said:
Not sure where you're located in the UK but there are tinnitus clinics in London. I'm sure they will care.

Also, if someone is not willing to help, ignores you etc. then ditch them. Like I said it took me 4 - 5 hits before I finally ran into the right ENTs. Some doctors are just not educated well about the topic, but if she was rude to you I'd certainly return fire and put her in back in bet place. Have some respect yourself.

Hold strong, you will get past this and lead a happy life once again. I believe this for the both of us.

Cheers,

J
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I live in Sweden so London is a bit far off :)

I will talk to my ENT and see if he can help, or at least help me to find a goot CBT clinic to help out on the mental side of my struggle. He said he also have T so HOPEFULLY he knows a bit more than the other ENT I have talked to.

Thank you again for your positivity, we´ll get through this one way or another!
 
#50
Fangen said:
He said he also have T so HOPEFULLY he knows a bit more than the other ENT I have talked to.
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That's some good news. I bet he'll be more knowledgeable about the t topic.
Fangen said:
Thank you again for your positivity, we´ll get through this one way or another!
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Hey, no problem! We're all in this together. There's no backing down :)
 
#51
Hey @Fangen how are you now?

I've also had acoustic trauma 6 days ago which caused T to spike and to produce new sounds (that are familiar somehow). It was not firework but some loud noises at the sugery room in the hospital where they dropped / throw something (metal plates or smth.) really loud 3 times near me with my left ear pointed towards them and it all was in a small closed room.

Meds like Prednisone / Vinpocetinum / Magnesium and Vitamins seems to help a little bit. I've ordered NAC and it should be here tomorrow.

Have you thought about HBOT's? I think about trying them but they're expensive and loud :C

Idk if i should go for HBOT's (and probably waste huge amount of money) or just wait for it to fade with meds. I think it's better than it was at the start (but i've also had runny nose / a little cold back then) and changes often so it might be a good sign.

Have you had an ear fullness sensation? I've had it but now it's gone (it could be due to the cold).
 

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