First Night Out with the Big Tinnitus

The problem is that there is a chance that your actions will make your body uninhabitable, which will be a Major annoyance.

Also further NOISE INDUCED trauma CAN raise the tinnitus/ringing and that CAN possibly cause less hearing as well. This is not something to take lightly....
 
You are making a lot of assumptions here and you have many beliefs. But reality might knock you on your ass.

Does the fact that you could die getting into a car accident stop you from travelling anywhere?

Of course not.

Does the fact you could die getting into a car accident mean you put your seat belt on to reduce the chance of dying before you go anywhere?

Of course it does.

Everything in life is a risk and sometimes you have to weigh the pros and the cons up and make your decision.

I've made my decision and while I appreciate you guys don't hold the same opinion as me I have a feeling that when you have gotten over the mental aspect of tinnitus, which can take many years your opinions will start to change too.

There are DJs that travel the globe playing back to back shows for years using sound systems that we probably couldn't afford if we all clubbed together, while a lot of them do have tinnitus/hearing loss they now mainly wear ear plugs and i'm pretty sure that if they can handle 3 hour sets then someone with tinnitus can handle a couple of hours in a night club using some ear plugs specifically designed for this sort of thing.

Infact, even the British Tinnitus Association recommend and sell ear plugs specifically for club goes, gig goers and musicians.
 
Happy to continue the discussion tomorrow, but I have to sleep now, also I think we have derailed this post a bit too far. I will post a thread tomorrow with my tinnitus experience, and we can chat on there. Good night.
 
Another assumption. Good night to you.

Your making assumptions too, they are just the complete opposite of the ones i'm making...

I don't like the way you are attacking my opinion, therefore I will not discuss this any further with you.
Like I said before, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do things they aren't comfortable with, I am just providing my account.
 
Your making assumptions too, they are just the complete opposite of the ones i'm making...

I don't like the way you are attacking my opinion, therefore I will not discuss this any further with you.
Like I said before, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do things they aren't comfortable with, I am just providing my account.

Personally, I think everyone's been a bit harsh on you. Everything that's been said is all true but it's not as black and white as people make out on here. Going somewhere loud can make your T worse; for that I'm sure.

However, it really depends how loud we're talking to be honest, and for some people, never going to a bar again is not an option. This is where different personalities come into play. Where one person can happily never go out with friends, ever again, another person may become so depressed that their life may become hell. It's not a simple question at all. None of us know the true odds here, but I have so many friends with T, and family for that matter, that's it's hard to say what the risk really is. For every person who has a permanent spike, there may be a thousand or more who don't (made up odds here, I'm going from real world experience). You will never hear from the majority who live normal lives with T because they won't tell any of you about it. But believe me, there are loads of people. One of my cousin works construction and he's already lost one eye. He now says his tinnitus is really loud and that every time he uses the nail gun his ears literally ping and create new sounds. I'm not making this up. I said to him, you need to wear muffs or you're going to get severe hearing loss and worse tinnitus than it is now. His reply was: nah, it don't bother me. I just ignore it and get on with my day. I was blown away. I thought there's no way I could be like that. He has one eye, tinnitus and hyperacusis it seems, and he is a right laugh and has a great life.

In my opinion, and I can't stress this enough, we HAVE to be sensible. Use earplugs in loud bars, stay away from any speakers, and take regular breaks. If you go somewhere that breaks your upper loudness limit, then get out of there. On the flip side we don't have to live like hermits. There are loads of people with T who still work/go out, with properly inserted earplugs. At the end of the day we have to make our own decisions and live by the choices we make. So, I'm not saying the OP should or shouldn't go. It really should be up to him/her and how important going out is. What I will say though, is if you're going somewhere that's ridiculously loud, then leave.

PS:

I've recently been contacting some rockstars to raise awareness and money for research. I've had two replies, both from the same band, The Wildhearts. CJ said "It's a killer, I've suffered for decades now" followed by "It's a horrible condition. I wear plugs on stage now and it helps a lot".

Ginger said pretty much the same thing. They both still perform around the world and it hasn't stopped them at all. This is the flip side that no one talks about.

Here's some pics of them on stage rocking their earplugs. Zoom in and you'll see.

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I go to concerts regularly. I went to a festival 2 weeks ago with another friend who also has tinnitus. We both wore custom earplugs and went to 2-3 days of live music in a row.

NEITHER OF US HAD AN INCREASE.

In fact, despite my responsible consumption of volume, my tinnitus has only improved over time. And getting back to life was instrumental in habituating to the tinnitus I still have.

Don't let this run your life. If you don't have H (which I did) - you can go out to loud places with proper protection.
 
No Tom, I can't. I've tried - many times. Tinnitus gets worse.

How long you had T TuneOut? I remember feeling exactly the same as you. I've had T since I was around 19, and I'm 36 now. I was gigging in bands, watching bands, and going to bars and clubs frequently without plugs, and then one day just over 3 years ago my T went crazy. It was horrendous, and a very dark time in my life. I've got a shrill, high pitched dentist drill in my head, different pure tones in both ears, and various hissing and static noises underneath it all.

I became quite phonophobic after reading a lot of threads on here. I was scared to do anything and was leaving my house with earplugs in all the time. All I can say is that my T had consumed me; it literally took over. I became so obsessed it was all I thought about, non stop. I saw a few audiologists and they told me point blank to stop using earplugs when I wasn't being exposed to loud noise. At first I didn't listen because of how much I'd come to fear sound, and my limbic system was all over the place. It was reacting to anything and everything. I'd have a spike just by thinking about a loud noise, it was bad.

In the end, I knew something had to change because I wasn't getting any better, at all. I was depressed and anxious all the time, and was scared that a loud sound might occur and make it worse. However, I've come to realise now, looking back, that I had conditioned my nervous system to be hypersensitive; I was on edge all the time. Especially whilst out and about. I decided something had to change because I was at my wits end, and just couldn't take anymore. So, I stopped wearing earplugs everywhere and stopped monitoring my environment. This took a looong time. It certainly didn't happen over night and there were many set backs along the way. Now that I'm not hiding in the shadows and my life is blossoming again, my parasympathetic nervous system has calmed down, and so has the hold that T has over me.

I'm not stupid around noise, but I'm not too extreme as to avoid living either. Since I changed things up in my life, and I started to do better, I came back here to post about it so I could potentially help others. In my opinion we have to learn to put T back in its box, and certain behaviours keep its importance a priority. If you live in fear all the time then that's definitely one way to keep the noise drilling into your soul.

I've gone from feeling suicidal to having a relatively normal life again. I am VERY cautious around noise in loud bars and whilst using the lawnmower, for example. If a place is too loud I will leave; it's as simple as that. I always use my custom earplugs in noisy places and I use my muffs for any power tools.
 
I will add one very important message here. If you were the kind of person that hated going out, then avoiding loud places should be really easy and that's exactly what I'd recommend. If you didn't enjoy it anyway then you aren't missing anything. However, if your life is going to be affected, detrimentally, by not going out every now and then, then go out with earplugs and use caution. Just don't over do it or take any big risks.
 
But you go to concerts right?

Night clubs are usually MUCH smaller than an arena/stadium. Night clubs can possibly get as loud as 115+ to almost 130+ Dbs. I went to an irish heavy metal concert 1 to 2 years ago and it got as loud as 118 to 120dbs. I felt very uncomfortable being there. It was basically a night club with a concert in it. I'll never do that again. Night clubs can possibly be a small 800 to 1400 sq ft place

Shows that I have been to in *Arenas have been 100db to possibly 105Dbs max. Sound will travel better in a huge arena compared to a small room in a night club. This makes a huge difference....

I don't advise people to go to either, but at times I will go to these shows(with proper ear protection), no matter how intrusive my tinnitus may be.

I'll never step inside a night club again.....

I am just sharing my experience here. I am not advocating/telling/recommending for folks to go to concerts or night clubs. My tinnitus became intrusive and my ears became the mess they are ....BECAUSE I went to concerts and parties(foolishly danced by speakers) in the 80s,90s without proper ear protection. I was not educated on tinnitus and how loud noise can possibly cause the ears to ring louder.

Lessons learned and never repeated.....

PS- I may go to a show once a year, if even that. It's not a weekly/monthly thing....
 
Night clubs are usually MUCH smaller than an arena/stadium. Night clubs can possibly get as loud as 115+ to almost 130+ Dbs. I went to an irish heavy metal concert 1 to 2 years ago and it got as loud as 118 to 120dbs. I felt very uncomfortable being there. It was basically a night club with a concert in it. I'll never do that again. Night clubs can possibly be a small 800 to 1400 sq ft place

Shows that I have been to in *Arenas have been 100db to possibly 105Dbs max. Sound will travel better in a huge arena compared to a small room in a night club. This makes a huge difference....

I don't advise people to go to either, but at times I will go to these shows(with proper ear protection), no matter how intrusive my tinnitus may be.

I'll never step inside a night club again.....

I am just sharing my experience here. I am not advocating/telling/recommending for folks to go to concerts or night clubs. My tinnitus became intrusive and my ears became the mess they are ....BECAUSE I went to concerts and parties(foolishly danced by speakers) in the 80s,90s without proper ear protection. I was not educated on tinnitus and how loud noise can possibly cause the ears to ring louder.

Lessons learned and never repeated.....

PS- I may go to a show once a year, if even that. It's not a weekly/monthly thing....

Ah ok yeah got ya, nightclubs can be insanely loud!
 
How long you had T TuneOut? I remember feeling exactly the same as you. I've had T since I was around 19, and I'm 36 now. I was gigging in bands, watching bands, and going to bars and clubs frequently without plugs, and then one day just over 3 years ago my T went crazy. It was horrendous, and a very dark time in my life. I've got a shrill, high pitched dentist drill in my head, different pure tones in both ears, and various hissing and static noises underneath it all.

I became quite phonophobic after reading a lot of threads on here. I was scared to do anything and was leaving my house with earplugs in all the time. All I can say is that my T had consumed me; it literally took over. I became so obsessed it was all I thought about, non stop. I saw a few audiologists and they told me point blank to stop using earplugs when I wasn't being exposed to loud noise. At first I didn't listen because of how much I'd come to fear sound, and my limbic system was all over the place. It was reacting to anything and everything. I'd have a spike just by thinking about a loud noise, it was bad.

In the end, I knew something had to change because I wasn't getting any better, at all. I was depressed and anxious all the time, and was scared that a loud sound might occur and make it worse. However, I've come to realise now, looking back, that I had conditioned my nervous system to be hypersensitive; I was on edge all the time. Especially whilst out and about. I decided something had to change because I was at my wits end, and just couldn't take anymore. So, I stopped wearing earplugs everywhere and stopped monitoring my environment. This took a looong time. It certainly didn't happen over night and there were many set backs along the way. Now that I'm not hiding in the shadows and my life is blossoming again, my parasympathetic nervous system has calmed down, and so has the hold that T has over me.

I'm not stupid around noise, but I'm not too extreme as to avoid living either. Since I changed things up in my life, and I started to do better, I came back here to post about it so I could potentially help others. In my opinion we have to learn to put T back in its box, and certain behaviours keep its importance a priority. If you live in fear all the time then that's definitely one way to keep the noise drilling into your soul.

I've gone from feeling suicidal to having a relatively normal life again. I am VERY cautious around noise in loud bars and whilst using the lawnmower, for example. If a place is too loud I will leave; it's as simple as that. I always use my custom earplugs in noisy places and I use my muffs for any power tools.

When I get a spike occasionally I literally tell myself to bring it on, the tinnitus doesn't bother me anymore.

The H is what really winds me up.

But at the end of the day, I'm past caring about it, I want to enjoy my life and do the things I want to do.

I think as long as you keep a positive attitude with T, it isn't a problem, when you start focusing on it and listening for it, that's when you have problems.
 
Vegas is near and dear to my heart, but i'd not roll the dice on this one.....
Talking about Vegas, that is one loud town. The constantly loud sound really doesn't bother me, so I'm sure in perspective, people that like nightclubs probably have a higher tolerance than myself. I, actually ran nightclubs for years and yes they are loud, but to some the sound is satisfying to me it is noise.

So, as @Ed209 & @TomPearson have said, I firmly believe part of the spikes comes from mental states. I'm going through a tough one for myself right now, as an event caused a major spike, but when my audiologist did a hearing aid test, no major hearing change, it settled down. Of course another minor event the next day brought it right back up.

So we can choose to overprotect & live in solitutude or be sensible and live.
As Morgan Freeman once said »get busy living or get busy dying »
 
Talking about Vegas, that is one loud town. The constantly loud sound really doesn't bother me, so I'm sure in perspective, people that like nightclubs probably have a higher tolerance than myself. I, actually ran nightclubs for years and yes they are loud, but to some the sound is satisfying to me it is noise.

So, as @Ed209 & @TomPearson have said, I firmly believe part of the spikes comes from mental states. I'm going through a tough one for myself right now, as an event caused a major spike, but when my audiologist did a hearing aid test, no major hearing change, it settled down. Of course another minor event the next day brought it right back up.

So we can choose to overprotect & live in solitutude or be sensible and live.
As Morgan Freeman once said »get busy living or get busy dying »

I use no ear protection in my everyday daily life(except when I am sparring ,in my martial arts studio and lifting in the gym). I see an ambulance, I stick my finger in the ears (works great for me). You do what works for YOU folks...

I must have answered 100s of threads/posts about just how bad anxiety/stress really is.

Stress anxiety at times is worst than actual sounds and can bring on massive spikes and keep them going. I have intrusive/destructive tinnitus 24-7. This level of ringing can be pure punishment (depends on the person and their tolerance for pain. I welcome pain and it doesn't slow me down). I have GOTTEN real good at controling my emotions, stress and anxiety. It took decades of trial and error but I have reached it.

I think we should live our lives, no matter how low , mild and intrusive this venom might be. It WILL take adjustments, but it is very POSSIBLE to do this.....

Bless all that suffer!

PS - In the end, it all comes down to who wants it most. Me to kick tinnitus in the Tail or tinnitus who wants to afflict me. That's an easy one for me. I'll overcome that intrusive tinnitus , live the best life possible and I raise my hand in victory!
 
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