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For Those Who Succeed with Habituation

I can't mask my tinnitus. Weather on my motorbike, drilling or using my headphones, I can always hear my tinnitus. And I'd say I'm as close to habituation as you can get.
I don't get it, 80db is enough to mentally torture a prisoner (even short term) according to the CIA. White noise at 79db is used to disorient and break the will of detainees.

How loud is your T if you can hear it over your motorcycle? How is it that you can beat something that is meant to be unbeatable and "mentally break" a person?

Please tell me your secret. I'm sure the CIA would like to know as well, obviously their scientists have some work to do in discovering new torture methods.

Thanks.
 
I can't mask my tinnitus. Weather on my motorbike, drilling or using my headphones, I can always hear my tinnitus. And I'd say I'm as close to habituation as you can get.
Sincere questions: What type of tinnitus sound do you have, tonal or a cacaphony? Is it always the same sound, or does the sound change? Also, does the volume cycle or is it the same every day?
 
@Naddesh , in all honesty, my life is not 100% like it was before tinnitus. But, remember, I only speak for myself. Let me say though, that my life is much better than it was at onset--which was 22 months ago. I think I will always
'hear' my tinnitus. I've just learned to ignore it much of the time and get on with life. It's like any chronic condition, there will always be things we have to do, i.e., wear earplugs in noisy situations and protect our hearing at all times. I have focused on not being afraid to live...to continue with activities that I've always enjoyed. Also, being grateful that I can move forward has helped me enormously. I didn't do this alone. I posted here, I went for CBT, took meds, and then I just said, what the heck--if I'm going to hear it anyway, I might as well do what I can to be happier. It's tough at times--especially at work where it is quiet. I once thought that habituation meant that I wouldn't hear my tinnitus--that is would be a cure--but for me, it's not. It's just learning to live again.

We support you on this journey. It does get better
 
@Naddesh , in all honesty, my life is not 100% like it was before tinnitus. But, remember, I only speak for myself. Let me say though, that my life is much better than it was at onset--which was 22 months ago. I think I will always
'hear' my tinnitus. I've just learned to ignore it much of the time and get on with life. It's like any chronic condition, there will always be things we have to do, i.e., wear earplugs in noisy situations and protect our hearing at all times. I have focused on not being afraid to live...to continue with activities that I've always enjoyed. Also, being grateful that I can move forward has helped me enormously. I didn't do this alone. I posted here, I went for CBT, took meds, and then I just said, what the heck--if I'm going to hear it anyway, I might as well do what I can to be happier. It's tough at times--especially at work where it is quiet. I once thought that habituation meant that I wouldn't hear my tinnitus--that is would be a cure--but for me, it's not. It's just learning to live again.

We support you on this journey. It does get better

Thank you! I think Im on my way (u can read my success story) in the forum. Hugs.
 
Hi! Im only curios about those who finally reached that state of mind.

Do u consider yourself happy as you were before?

Do you consider yourself having a limited life? (Activities such as clubbing etc)

Has it effected any relationship in your life?

Has your T changed?

I so want my normal life back... I used to see big things in the small but now i just feel the other way.
Honestly, my life isn't like it was before tinnitus. Of course we all want to do normal stuff and go out and have a blast in parties, clubs etc. They say every bad thing brings something good. I am still to find that good thing in tinnitus after nearing 17 months. Because there isn't any in my opinion. Maybe in the long run we may have more preserved hearing than people who don't have tinnitus and who go out and blast their ears daily because we now protect our ears always! But that's just the way I see it. I had a nasty concussion and with that came several weird neurological symptoms that I couldn't even explain. Trust me, after being there, tinnitus should be the least of worries I should have. I had literally been through hell! My head injury literally made me kill myself! I cried prayed and cried again but nothing happened. Eventually I came out of it slowly and it took 17 months. I had to learn to walk again. My memory, processing speed, visual, hearing, autonomous system and hormonal system were all messed up. My physical activity and mobility drastically affected and I couldn't walk or run or jump. I became a vegetable. I healed slowly and today I am glad it's over. I don't want to look back and consider this as a new birth. I still have tinnitus crisp and loud but my reaction is nil. Be happy that you are fine and still can do many things. Tinnitus isn't easy I know, its probably one of the worst things that can happen to anybody. But there are far worse conditions than this stupid sound in ears. No matter how bad your tinnitus is, you will eventually get used to it gradually.
 
I don't get it, 80db is enough to mentally torture a prisoner (even short term) according to the CIA. White noise at 79db is used to disorient and break the will of detainees.

How loud is your T if you can hear it over your motorcycle? How is it that you can beat something that is meant to be unbeatable and "mentally break" a person?

So -- a couple comments here. I can hear my tinnitus over my (95 db) motorcycle. This does not mean the tinnitus is nearly as loud as the bike -- the tinnitus is an internal noise, so it's sort of at the "base" of my perceptual awareness, it's available to me to perceive regardless of background noise, excluding noise which sounds "similar enough" to the tinnitus to confuse my brain (crickets, running water, etc). There is a tangent there, that we are all prisoners in our bodies, confined in them, stuck with the way they function... but that's not CIA torture techniques, it's fundamental existential angst. Some people deal with that more easily than others.

The torture analogy never holds water with me. Tinnitus is an annoying artifact of the way my body works. This to me is simply not in any way comparable to the psychological stress of being confined against my will and subjected to loud noise by rational actors who have their own consciousness. To me, these things are simply not the same in any way, shape or form.

Please tell me your secret. I'm sure the CIA would like to know as well, obviously their scientists have some work to do in discovering new torture methods.

Thanks.
Tinnitus volume, and conscious filtering/distress, arise from related but different parts of the brain. The noise is hyperactivity in the auditory cortex and cranial nerves. The ability of the mind to filter it (or not) arises deeper, the thalamus and insula are strongly implicated in imaging studies.

Therefore, people's ability to filter out the noise from conscious perception, is at least partially independent of the sound itself. This is why some people have relatively "loud" tinnitus (extreme hyperactivity in the auditory pathways) but report relatively little distress (higher functioning thalamic gates / insula -- the signal must pass through the insula before it can hit the limbic system and cause an emotional response, because the GABA-mediated inhibitory circuits which end in the limbic system, ascend from the thalamus through the insula. Likewise, some people with relatively "quiet" tinnitus (lesser hyperactivity in the auditory pathways) have extreme distress (less functional thalamic gates / insula).

To some limited degree, the function (and even structure) of these brain areas work in a feedback loop with conscious thought. I believe that all habituation therapies are more or less aimed at working that feedback loop in a positive direction. don't believe this is all wishful thinking and smoke and mirrors, because there's a growing body of imaging studies showing functional and structural changes in these same brain areas after diligent practice of various conscious strategies.

That said, I don't believe that such strategies work for everyone, nor do I believe that people for whom they don't work are doing anything "wrong", or "not trying hard enough": everyone's brain and body is different. I can lift weights and eat tons of protein for weeks and barely put on muscle mass. I have friends who can build mass easily with much less effort. Likewise, I think some people are blessed with brains which are more prone to positive neuroplastic changes, and other people have more difficult obstacles to overcome.

Just my two cents, as someone who has thought about these concepts far too much.
 
So -- a couple comments here. I can hear my tinnitus over my (95 db) motorcycle. This does not mean the tinnitus is nearly as loud as the bike -- the tinnitus is an internal noise, so it's sort of at the "base" of my perceptual awareness, it's available to me to perceive regardless of background noise, excluding noise which sounds "similar enough" to the tinnitus to confuse my brain (crickets, running water, etc). There is a tangent there, that we are all prisoners in our bodies, confined in them, stuck with the way they function... but that's not CIA torture techniques, it's fundamental existential angst. Some people deal with that more easily than others.

The torture analogy never holds water with me. Tinnitus is an annoying artifact of the way my body works. This to me is simply not in any way comparable to the psychological stress of being confined against my will and subjected to loud noise by rational actors who have their own consciousness. To me, these things are simply not the same in any way, shape or form.


Tinnitus volume, and conscious filtering/distress, arise from related but different parts of the brain. The noise is hyperactivity in the auditory cortex and cranial nerves. The ability of the mind to filter it (or not) arises deeper, the thalamus and insula are strongly implicated in imaging studies.

Therefore, people's ability to filter out the noise from conscious perception, is at least partially independent of the sound itself. This is why some people have relatively "loud" tinnitus (extreme hyperactivity in the auditory pathways) but report relatively little distress (higher functioning thalamic gates / insula -- the signal must pass through the insula before it can hit the limbic system and cause an emotional response, because the GABA-mediated inhibitory circuits which end in the limbic system, ascend from the thalamus through the insula. Likewise, some people with relatively "quiet" tinnitus (lesser hyperactivity in the auditory pathways) have extreme distress (less functional thalamic gates / insula).

To some limited degree, the function (and even structure) of these brain areas work in a feedback loop with conscious thought. I believe that all habituation therapies are more or less aimed at working that feedback loop in a positive direction. don't believe this is all wishful thinking and smoke and mirrors, because there's a growing body of imaging studies showing functional and structural changes in these same brain areas after diligent practice of various conscious strategies.

That said, I don't believe that such strategies work for everyone, nor do I believe that people for whom they don't work are doing anything "wrong", or "not trying hard enough": everyone's brain and body is different. I can lift weights and eat tons of protein for weeks and barely put on muscle mass. I have friends who can build mass easily with much less effort. Likewise, I think some people are blessed with brains which are more prone to positive neuroplastic changes, and other people have more difficult obstacles to overcome.

Just my two cents, as someone who has thought about these concepts far too much.
Impressive post man....your knowledge runs deep. I may have to read this a couple of times to process. Thx for taking the time here.
 
So -- a couple comments here. I can hear my tinnitus over my (95 db) motorcycle. This does not mean the tinnitus is nearly as loud as the bike -- the tinnitus is an internal noise, so it's sort of at the "base" of my perceptual awareness, it's available to me to perceive regardless of background noise, excluding noise which sounds "similar enough" to the tinnitus to confuse my brain (crickets, running water, etc). There is a tangent there, that we are all prisoners in our bodies, confined in them, stuck with the way they function... but that's not CIA torture techniques, it's fundamental existential angst. Some people deal with that more easily than others.

The torture analogy never holds water with me. Tinnitus is an annoying artifact of the way my body works. This to me is simply not in any way comparable to the psychological stress of being confined against my will and subjected to loud noise by rational actors who have their own consciousness. To me, these things are simply not the same in any way, shape or form.


Tinnitus volume, and conscious filtering/distress, arise from related but different parts of the brain. The noise is hyperactivity in the auditory cortex and cranial nerves. The ability of the mind to filter it (or not) arises deeper, the thalamus and insula are strongly implicated in imaging studies.

Therefore, people's ability to filter out the noise from conscious perception, is at least partially independent of the sound itself. This is why some people have relatively "loud" tinnitus (extreme hyperactivity in the auditory pathways) but report relatively little distress (higher functioning thalamic gates / insula -- the signal must pass through the insula before it can hit the limbic system and cause an emotional response, because the GABA-mediated inhibitory circuits which end in the limbic system, ascend from the thalamus through the insula. Likewise, some people with relatively "quiet" tinnitus (lesser hyperactivity in the auditory pathways) have extreme distress (less functional thalamic gates / insula).

To some limited degree, the function (and even structure) of these brain areas work in a feedback loop with conscious thought. I believe that all habituation therapies are more or less aimed at working that feedback loop in a positive direction. don't believe this is all wishful thinking and smoke and mirrors, because there's a growing body of imaging studies showing functional and structural changes in these same brain areas after diligent practice of various conscious strategies.

That said, I don't believe that such strategies work for everyone, nor do I believe that people for whom they don't work are doing anything "wrong", or "not trying hard enough": everyone's brain and body is different. I can lift weights and eat tons of protein for weeks and barely put on muscle mass. I have friends who can build mass easily with much less effort. Likewise, I think some people are blessed with brains which are more prone to positive neuroplastic changes, and other people have more difficult obstacles to overcome.

Just my two cents, as someone who has thought about these concepts far too much.
That's quite interesting , but where do u know that information from?
 
That's quite interesting , but where do u know that information from?
Which, specifically? The tinnitus physiology stuff has been referenced in a number of papers:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18616081
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/np/2014/817852/
https://books.google.com/books?id=l...page&q=tinnitus right anterior insula&f=false

Research on how cognitive practices affect brain structure:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1361002/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4267182/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3485650/

Note that I'm not a neurologist and am therefore strictly unqualified to interpret this research :D
 
I didn't open the links yet but I will when I'm willing to read ,lol , but I only undrstood some of what you said ️half of the stuff I didn't understand cause English is not my first language , but it was indeed intresting
 
Habituation of tinnitus isn't only a state of mind, although it may start there. FWIW, my answers to your very good questions.
  1. Yes. Tinnitus has zero impact on my well-being or my capacity for happiness.

  2. No, my life isn't limited by tinnitus in any respect.

  3. Yes, tinnitus has affected some of my relationships, but in a good way. Like any challenge that was difficult to surmount, I'd like to think it had a positive impact on the sense of empathy I feel for others.

  4. Yes, my tinnitus has changed. And then, over time, it reverted to baseline.

  5. You once saw big things in small things. It may be that you don't have access to that quality in yourself at this time, but that part of you hasn't gone anywhere, in my opinion, and the chances are good that you will feel that way again.
I admire what @Rachiejo wrote to you. I agree with @jimH that tinnitus becomes a non-issue for most people with tinnitus, over time. But I'd also suggest to Jim that for individuals with severe hyperacusis, the goal is not to habituate hyperacusis but to increase tolerance of sound. People with tinnitus AND hyperacusis can improve to the point where every one of Naddesh's questions can be answered in a positive way.

@Robert44, the concern that tinnitus might get worse someday is a common one and may be well worth exploring.

here2help
Seems like there are only positive outcomes with tinnitus. With your affirmative observations, one has to wonder why a forum such as this exists in the first place, then.

Do you also believe in Santa Claus?
 

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