Going on a Road Trip — Should I Wear Earplugs in the Car?

[alex1975]

Hi all!

My tinnitus started in January, a few days after going to a club. It's sort of better but after going to a concert about a month ago it got worse but again, is now finally getting back to where it was. However now I'm a bit paranoid and maybe over protecting my ears.

I'm heading on a very long road trip from Las Vegas to San Diego to Seattle and back. The whole thing will last about 10 days. So my question is should I wear ear plugs while in the car? When I put my decibel meter on in the car, driving at about 75 mph it seems to be about 85 dB (does that sound right? Toyota Prius, nothing crazy).

 

[Bill Bauer]

When I put my decibel meter on in the car, driving at about 75 mph it seems to be about 85 dB (does that sound right? Toyota Prius, nothing crazy).

Better be safe than sorry.

If you decide to take a risk and notice a spike at the end of a day of driving, then it would Definitely make sense to wear earplugs the next day.

 

[MarkLud]

Gotta go trial and error. I'd have them with you in your pockets but try not to use them unless you really need 'em -- in theory, driving at those levels shouldn't make things worse. Everybody's different but I've found if I protect my ears for anything under 85 decibels, my sensitivity/hyperacusis gets way worse, and that can be a downward spiral that's difficult to stop. That said, when I was just a few months removed from my tinnitus/hyperacusis starting I remember driving in a thunderstorm was absolutely not pleasant on my ears and that I'd need a little protection in those circumstances.

Good luck! I'm sure it'll all turn out fine.

 

[Michael B]

I typically don't advocate wearing earplugs for any length of time. Unless you're driving in a car with the windows down, you should be OK (especially in a Prius).
BTW: Sounds like a fun trip. Three of my favorite cities along with SF.

 

[alex1975]

Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the input. Seems like I was getting a bit overprotective of my ears, it's good to know that in most circumstances, you don't need them while driving.

 

[Bill Bauer]

it's good to know that in most circumstances, you don't need them while driving.

My tinnitus began to fade soon after I started being serious about protecting my ears.

 

[Tex]

Different types of pavement, with various types of tread, especially in a lightweight car, makes my T worse by the end of even a short trip. I think it has to do with a fine vibration caused by the light weight of the car, harder road tires, on a courser type of pavement. Ear protection wouldn't help that. I know a Prius would blow my T sky high on Texas highways. And I've never set foot in a Prius, but have other Toyotas and Nissans.

I can drive a heavier truck (pickup truck) about all day with no problem.

 

[Juan]

Hi all!

My tinnitus started in January, a few days after going to a club. It's sort of better but after going to a concert about a month ago it got worse but again, is now finally getting back to where it was. However now I'm a bit paranoid and maybe over protecting my ears.

I'm heading on a very long road trip from Las Vegas to San Diego to Seattle and back. The whole thing will last about 10 days. So my question is should I wear ear plugs while in the car? When I put my decibel meter on in the car, driving at about 75 mph it seems to be about 85 dB (does that sound right? Toyota Prius, nothing crazy).

You should be fine without earplugs, but be careful if a very loud bike overtakes you, or a loud truck passes by.. just cover the ear closest to the noise.

Wearing earplugs for a long long drive can be worse than not wearing them.

 

[alex1975]

My tinnitus began to fade soon after I started being serious about protecting my ears.

If you don't mind me asking Bill, what types of steps did you take to protect your ears?

 

[Bill Bauer]

If you don't mind me asking Bill, what types of steps did you take to protect your ears?

I protected my ears from all of the sounds that bothered my ears (I had had hyperacusis at the time). I wore earplugs in the car, at the grocery store (the metal carts and the beeping at the checkout can be loud), when I had to walk along busy roads (where motorcycles and trucks could be present). My hyperacusis was gone after a year, but many of those sounds still felt wrong. I gave it another year, and then gradually it began to feel ok to not protect in those places. Two and a half years after the onset of tinnitus, I mostly don't protect and feel fine. I still try to do everything I can to avoid being exposed to those louder noises. [Goes without saying that I stay away from hair dryers, vacuum cleaners, and lawn mowers.] This approach has worked well for me.

 

[JohnAdams]

yeah

 

[alex1975]

I protected my ears from all of the sounds that bothered my ears (I had had hyperacusis at the time). I wore earplugs in the car, at the grocery store (the metal carts and the beeping at the checkout can be loud), when I had to walk along busy roads (where motorcycles and trucks could be present). My hyperacusis was gone after a year, but many of those sounds still felt wrong. I gave it another year, and then gradually it began to feel ok to not protect in those places. Two and a half years after the onset of tinnitus, I mostly don't protect and feel fine. I still try to do everything I can to avoid being exposed to those louder noises. [Goes without saying that I stay away from hair dryers, vacuum cleaners, and lawn mowers.] This approach has worked well for me.

There are a lot of situations I don't even think of to wear ear plugs but I should. I've got some custom ones now so they're easier to deal with. Thanks for that info!

 

[oceanofsound26]

Agree with @Bill Bauer. My car is 75-80 dB driving to work, and I have soft foam ear plugs loosely in my ear canals and not jammed in while driving most times now. Recommend doing it in the beginning and then tapering off a bit as grow accustomed to it. I use two decibel apps on my phone to gauge volume in a new environment, use the average dB reading as the benchmark, and then adapt accordingly.

 

[Elfin]

I protected my ears from all of the sounds that bothered my ears (I had had hyperacusis at the time). I wore earplugs in the car, at the grocery store (the metal carts and the beeping at the checkout can be loud), when I had to walk along busy roads (where motorcycles and trucks could be present). My hyperacusis was gone after a year, but many of those sounds still felt wrong. I gave it another year, and then gradually it began to feel ok to not protect in those places. Two and a half years after the onset of tinnitus, I mostly don't protect and feel fine. I still try to do everything I can to avoid being exposed to those louder noises. [Goes without saying that I stay away from hair dryers, vacuum cleaners, and lawn mowers.] This approach has worked well for me.

Hi @Bill Bauer - do you no longer need any protection in the supermarket or when driving?

I find it inspirational that you have got to that place from where you were

 

[Bill Bauer]

do you no longer need any protection in the supermarket or when driving?

Hyperacusis normally goes away for most tinnitus sufferers. If I don't wear plugs, I stay away from the place where they store metal shopping carts, and from the stores where the beepers at the check out are loud. I don't wear earplugs for driving trips that are under 10 minutes.

 

[Digital Doc]

85 db is right on the borderline between protection, and not. However, these numbers and thresholds apply to normal ears, and not after T when folks can spike from less.

Do you currently spike if you drive the car at those speeds for a shorter time? If you can go an hour or two without an issue, then you should be ok, as long as you take some breaks, and play any music low. If not sure, then earplugs would be a better plan.

The silicone ones on a string are a lot easier to put in, and not lose when driving.

Enjoy your upcoming trip.

 

[alex1975]

85 db is right on the borderline between protection, and not. However, these numbers and thresholds apply to normal ears, and not after T when folks can spike from less.

Do you currently spike if you drive the car at those speeds for a shorter time? If you can go an hour or two without an issue, then you should be ok, as long as you take some breaks, and play any music low. If not sure, then earplugs would be a better plan.

The silicone ones on a string are a lot easier to put in, and not lose when driving.

Enjoy your upcoming trip.

It seems to "react" when I'm driving above 65 mph or thereabouts...

I've got some custom made ones I picked up that work nicely. I'll play it by ear (no pun intended, lol) if it starts going up then I'll use them.

Thanks!

 

[Bill Bauer]

It seems to "react" when I'm driving above 65 mph or thereabouts...

What is the noise reduction rating on the custom earplugs?

If your tinnitus actually reacts when you are driving (as opposed to you becoming aware of a slight increase in the volume of your tinnitus hours after you park your car for the day), then I have no idea why you would not want to pull out all stops to protect your ears. One thing you ought to consider doing is driving for a couple of hours around your home with earplugs, and cancelling your trip if you still get a spike.

Your cost of wearing earplugs is looking goofy for a couple of hours (with nobody except for the folks at gas stations actually seeing your plugs), and the benefit is a chance to prevent a lifetime of constant torture. Am I missing something?

 

[Earing]

Definitely. Wear the plugs. Have a set of 3M Peltor X5A muffs with you too.

 

[Digital Doc]

As it starts to reach above 65 mph, and you plan to drive at higher speeds all day, the answer is you need some protection.

 

[Roberto10]

If you don't have hyperacusis, I am absolutely sure that you don't need any hearing protection for the trip. Believe me, I have had tinnitus from June 2016 (acoustic trauma) and I have been traveling a lot since then with no spikes in tinnitus. I understand your worries, my first months with tinnitus I also was very paranoid about all the noises around me.

But now, totally habituated, I have to say that the only limitation with tinnitus is that you have to protect ears when you go to some noisy restaurants, sports events (I go every 14 days with hearing protection to football matches without any problem), etc. So you can drive with no worries about tinnitus, believe me.

I have never post here until today (because now I have doubts about using firearms as I said in my post), but I will write a post of my good evolution with tinnitus soon, to help new people with tinnitus.

If anyone here knows about firearms, please help me with my doubts about police academy.

 

[linearb]

85 sounds high for a prius but maybe your tires aren't great?

I don't generally wear plugs in cars unless I have studded tires on, and even then not usually, but when my hearing was more sensitive post-trauma I did. I still bring them for longer drivers.

 

[JohnFox]

My tinnitus began to fade soon after I started being serious about protecting my ears.

Just wondering Bill,...I have pretty bad Hyperacusis and after 10 months it doesn't seem to have gotten any better. My T is not noise induced, it all happened very suddenly while sleeping. Lost all hearing in my right ear, loud hissing T, and hyperacusis in my good ear. Is you condition like mine, or is it damage from noise exposure? Did your hyperacusis go away gradually, or more suddenly? BTW, my T is very noise reactive. Unlike many, it is during the quiet of the night when I go to sleep that it becomes the most tolerable, but during waking hours I need to avoid noisy places. I always carry ear plugs for when it becomes intolerable. Anyway, I am hoping for some relief from the hyperacusis, as it is this that bothers me a lot more than the loss of hearing. Thanks for any feedback. J

 

[alex1975]

What is the noise reduction rating on the custom earplugs?

If your tinnitus actually reacts when you are driving (as opposed to you becoming aware of a slight increase in the volume of your tinnitus hours after you park your car for the day), then I have no idea why you would not want to pull out all stops to protect your ears. One thing you ought to consider doing is driving for a couple of hours around your home with earplugs, and cancelling your trip if you still get a spike.

Your cost of wearing earplugs is looking goofy for a couple of hours (with nobody except for the folks at gas stations actually seeing your plugs), and the benefit is a chance to prevent a lifetime of constant torture. Am I missing something?

I'm not exactly sure on the rating but my audiologist got me the maximum noise filtering ones, because I told her I would still like to go to bars and movies every once in a while (like once a month). They were custom molded to my ear canal.

As far as when I drive, I'm not sure if it reacts or I can notice it more because of the low pitched sound the car makes. The same thing happens when a fan or clothes dryer is running, even if the dB is low, say around 65. My tinnitus is a 8500 Hz eeeee sound so it seems like I can pick it out whenever there are lower Hz sounds around, and that's when it seems to get louder (or react). Also another annoying thing is that if I go to a restaurant and wear ear plugs, sure enough, my tinnitus will start seeming louder after about 15 min or so. I think it's because it's quieter with the plugs and my brain picks out the tinnitus and I focus on it more. What a mess! Lol

 

[Christophe_85]

@alex1975

Hello !

I think you just see once you are in the Car, most of the time, regular cars don't make that much noise while you are driving them... The smaller car the biggest noise on the highway due to weak engine... And of course sports cars do make noise but in purpose...

Just be sure to have wax earplugs during the drive, but I am pretty sure that you won't even need them... Or maybe after 3-4 hours of driving...

And furthermore with a Toyota Prius, which is Hybrid right? Even quieter car!

 

[Bill Bauer]

They were custom molded to my ear canal.

I am pretty sure that they don't provide as much protection as 3M 1100 foam plugs, and I know that many people have been finding out the hard way that foam plugs provide a false sense of security (while other people have been finding the protection to be adequate).

Also another annoying thing is that if I go to a restaurant and wear ear plugs, sure enough, my tinnitus will start seeming louder after about 15 min or so. I think it's because it's quieter with the plugs and my brain picks out the tinnitus and I focus on it more.

If the plugs were to make it easier to hear tinnitus, tinnitus would have seemed louder as soon as you insert the plugs. Since your tinnitus becomes louder 15 minutes after you enter a noisy restaurant, a more likely explanation is that your plugs aren't providing enough protection, and you are harming yourself by being there.

Sometimes it is live and learn. Don't touch! That is hot! I told you. Very sad.

 

[Jim Goose]

I thinks it's the radio that hurts you. The road noise is minimal, but you crank the tunes as a result.
I've driven for years with LED Zepplin, or whatever at full blast for hours. And I drive a lot. I thinks it's a huge problem.

 

[Mister Muso]

I would wear silicone plugs if I was in a car for a full day or more. Even 75db for that long has spiked my tinnitus a little in the past.

 

[MattS]

Just wondering Bill,...I have pretty bad Hyperacusis and after 10 months it doesn't seem to have gotten any better. My tinnitus is not noise induced, it all happened very suddenly while sleeping. Lost all hearing in my right ear, loud hissing tinnitus, and hyperacusis in my good ear. Is you condition like mine, or is it damage from noise exposure? Did your hyperacusis go away gradually, or more suddenly? BTW, my tinnitus is very noise reactive. Unlike many, it is during the quiet of the night when I go to sleep that it becomes the most tolerable, but during waking hours I need to avoid noisy places. I always carry ear plugs for when it becomes intolerable. Anyway, I am hoping for some relief from the hyperacusis, as it is this that bothers me a lot more than the loss of hearing. Thanks for any feedback. J

Hi John,

The hyperacusis is actually much "easier" to treat than the tinnitus - the problem is that in order to do it, you need to expose yourself to some noise (which can of course get the tinnitus moving). But for hyperacusis, mostly you need to work in a very gradual re-exposure to sounds, to build their capacity for noise back up. Most cases of prolonged hyperacusis are actually because of over-protection. May you be falling into that category?

@Michael Leigh has a very informative thread on H that you may want to read:

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/hyperacusis-as-i-see-it.19174/page-5#post-386820

Michael is a bit fanatical about anything to do with headphones, but outside of that is very much worth listening to.

I also have a thread you may want to consider reading:

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-hyperacusis-a-rehabilitative-model.35846/

Hope that helps.

 

[MattS]

I would wear silicone plugs if I was in a car for a full day or more. Even 75db for that long has spiked my tinnitus a little in the past.

The big question - the 64 million dollar question - is: do these small spikes as a result of exposure to 'normal' noise indicate that you are causing additional damage and need to protect? Or is it instead just a symptom of your now haywire auditory system, which decides to act up every once in a while. As an analogy: is it Crohn's that requires care and can get worse? Or IBS, which will just act up periodically and for no good reason?

I don't think any of us know the answer to this: but holy would it lower all of our anxieties if we did!!