Going to Concerts with Tinnitus?

[Elfin]

I don't drink soft drinks either.

 

[Bill Bauer]

how is this calculated? and how is it reliable, given differences in 'frequency'?

Go to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control#cite_note-Trus2011-21
Take a look at the table titled "Chance of pregnancy during first year of use" {I had no idea "withdrawal" method (+ typical use) is almost as effective as condoms}. As you can see, the answer to your question can be found in references 21 and 22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control#cite_note-Trus2011-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control#cite_note-CDC2013-22

 

[Bill Bauer]

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These things might be exciting and cool right up to the moment when they catch up with you. If you are not having a good time with T, I am sure you would not enjoy diabetes either.

 

[Bill Bauer]

how is it reliable, given differences in 'frequency'?

Yes, I wish they were to provide a confidence interval (instead of a point estimate) for each frequency range. We have to use the information we have (instead of the information we wish we had) to make our decisions.

If I WERE to have sex, the woman must not know my name (or anything about me), and must never see me again afterwards.

 

[Elfin]

I am not saying I would enjoy diabetes; I am more suggesting that something will kill you eventually. This is undeniable. You will die, as will I.

I also understand mitigating risk of developing illness and disease, but there is a fine line between this and living in fear.

There is also a randomness to life that you simply cant control. Where causation and behaviour is incongruous to the outcome. For example, I went to university with a girl who died from lung cancer having never smoked a cigarette in her life. Having had a family who also never smoked and having lived in a rural area with good air quality.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I am not saying I would enjoy diabetes; I am more suggesting that something will kill you eventually.

I am not afraid of death, or even of an early death. What I care about is avoiding chronic suffering that lasts years. If there are things you can do to reduce your risk of suffering, it makes sense to me to go ahead and do those things.

there is a fine line between this and living in fear.

I don't live in fear. I see it as an exciting hunt for things I can do to improve my life in the future (and that includes reducing my risk of illness).

 

[Elfin]

Can't disagree with any of what you've just said - and thanks for sharing!

 

[Greg Clarke]

Most people here are talking shit. I have tinnitus 11 years. I hit concerts frequently, rehearse, play gigs. No change to my tinnitus (obviously all of the above with custom plugs)

 

[Bill Bauer]

I have tinnitus 11 years. I hit concerts frequently, rehearse, play gigs.

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First of all it is possible that your T could have been a distant memory now if not for your lifestyle. Second of all, one bad experience (of someone getting a permanent spike after going to a concert; I pasted links to a bunch of those experiences, and many more have been shared on this forum) proves that the activity is unsafe. One good experience (e.g., your experience) does NOT prove that the activity is safe.

 

[Tinniger]

I have had Tinnitus for about six months now, from taking one Cialis.
Has anyone gone to a concert with Tinnitus and it had no negative effect?

If Cialis was the cause of tinnitus, why should it get worse by noise?

 

[Greg Clarke]

I disagree mr negative. The damage was done, nothing I could do to reverse it. There's tonnes of positive stories, you're not going to find them on a tinnitus forum.

 

[Greg Clarke]

I'm just going to add, I think it's hilarious that the individuals advising people not to go to gigs don't go themselves.

If you want some facts I've hit the following this year

Meshuggah
Kreator/Sepultura
Ghost
Deftones
Leprous
Iron Maiden
Katatonia
Helmet
Armored Saint
Wolves in the Throne Room

Rehearsed 20 times or more too. No increase in tinnitus.

Plenty of professional musicians do it year on year

Lars Ulrich
James Hetfield
Jeff ament
Phil Collins
Chris Martin
Eddy Temple Morris

I could go on and on.....

 

[Niklas]

I'm just going to add, I think it's hilarious that the individuals advising people not to go to gigs don't go themselves.

If you want some facts I've hit the following this year

Meshuggah
Kreator/Sepultura
Ghost
Deftones
Leprous
Iron Maiden
Katatonia
Helmet
Armored Saint
Wolves in the Throne Room

Rehearsed 20 times or more too. No increase in tinnitus.

Plenty of professional musicians do it year on year

Lars Ulrich
James Hetfield
Jeff ament
Phil Collins
Chris Martin
Eddy Temple Morris

I could go on and on.....

Do you get a spike after a concert?

 

[Elfin]

Phil Collins
Chris Martin

Interesting list of musicians given the well publicised struggles that both have had with tinnitus and hearing loss. Chris Martin wore maskers to help cope with it and Phil Collins can no longer play the drums and (I believe) only plays acoustically now.

As I've said, each to their own. You know what you can and can't tolerate. Everyone is different. I am advising against it as it is where I personally got tinnitus. Having said that, it would depend on venue. I saw the Rolling Stones at Wembley stadium and was a reasonable way back from the stage and I was ok. Saw a rap gig at Wembley arena and ears have never been the same. Bass annihilated me.

 

[Tinker Bell]

If Cialis was the cause of tinnitus, why should it get worse by noise?

Because the cause does not matter when it comes to additional damage. A cochlea damaged by loud noise is susceptible to further damage from ototoxic medications and vice versa.

 

[Zug]

Guys, I wouldn't hire a street prostitute and have unprotected sex. I wouldn't sit on a front row concert without earplugs, knowing what I know today.

I used the sex example because sex education is way more widespread than "hearing care education."

There's a balance to life. If you like alcohol, it doesn't mean you should go binge drinking everyday. If you like soda, you shouldn't drink Coke on every meal.

You can do all of the stuff above if you're an adult and balance things out.

Me and others here are not saying "Yeah, go on to live gigs without earplugs. Get on stage, bang your head into the drums." There's a whole difference between "act as an adult and take care of yourself" from "let's extrapolate to worst case scenarios."

So back to this thread, yes, if you want to go to concerts, by all means do it. But do it as an adult, take some plugs with you.

If you seriously want to live your entire life avoiding stuff that may harm you, well, good luck with that.

Life is unpredictable. Have some fun while you can.

 

[Greg Clarke]

@Niklas i never get a spike


Ps Phil Collins is touring again he played a 50000 stadium here over the summer.

To be very clear, it is personal choice. I don't like when I see negative advice given out from people that just don't have the experience and I say that respectfully

 

[Tinniger]

A cochlea damaged by loud noise is susceptible to further damage from ototoxic medications and vice versa.

Do tinnitus sufferers have cochlear damage on a regular basis - even if they have no hearing loss?

 

[Tinker Bell]

Do tinnitus sufferers have cochlear damage on a regular basis - even if they have no hearing loss?

If they have absolutely no hearing loss — not even hidden hearing loss — than there is possibly no cochlear damage. But I'm unsure if diagnostic technology is advanced enough to detect even minor auditory nerve damage.

But if someone has ototoxic damage, they likely have auditory nerve damage and are susceptible to additional damage from loud noise exposure.

 

[Fabrice]

I have T since the last 4 weeks because of Cialis and it was going better until I took an intercontinental flight last week. Since then it is back as it was 4 weeks ago : continuous....

 

[Bill Bauer]

until I took an intercontinental flight last week.

Did you wear earplugs or muffs or noise cancelling headphones during that flight?

I think that most likely it is going to end up being just a temporary spike/setback. But try to protect your ears from now on.

 

[Fabrice]

Yes I did get was ear plug but my T was stronger so had to remove them. I am travelling back home day after tomorrow so any good advise would help.
Back to the Cialis question: I saw three ENT doctors and none was aware of this. I would l8ke to get feedbacks from who got it because of Cialis.
Thanks

 

[jeannie]

So if I use hearing protection that audiologist made from a mold of my ears I should be safe? Going to see Metallica in Feb 2019 and I'm already worried about damage... seats are up front near stage too...

 

[annV]

So if I use hearing protection that audiologist made from a mold of my ears I should be safe? Going to see Metallica in Feb 2019 and I'm already worried about damage... seats are up front near stage too...

Metallica is extremely loud. Molded plugs may not be enough to protect your hearing. It's a risk you will have to consider. Can you live with louder tinnitus?

 

[dbth]

Both Hetfield & Ulrich have tinnitus, but they are using high end ear monitors and are behind the speakers, not in front of them so they don't even hear the same concert as you. They are notoriously loud and being that close to the stage is not advisable. Especially if you suspect your tinnitus is noise induced. I would say for sure if you do go do not stand so close. It's a difficult question to answer... some people continue going to shows with this and some choose not to any more. It comes down to you, is a night of fun worth the risk of making it worse? That's on you. I don't go to shows anymore but that's my choice. I've been rather sobered by how delicate our hearing is and I get the message. I've had more than my fair share of concerts and paid the price for it. I'm fine with watching from the safety of YouTube these days.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I should be safe?

You will be very safe (in the sense of not dying during the concert). The problem is that the "concert" might not stop (for you) even after the end of the actual concert.

 

[Julien87]

I've had more than my fair share of concerts and paid the price for it.

Same. It is the one thing I have banned from my life without any hesitation. I will not see any concert again, no matter what. I still remember how that noise made my ears and my whole body shiver. Today I see this as terrifying.

 

[jeannie]

Hoping custom made earplugs and some noise cancelling muffs will keep my hearing and Tinnitus from getting worse.

 

[Julien87]

Will you be able to enjoy it with that - legitimate - fear?

 

[Michael Leigh]

Hoping custom made earplugs and some noise cancelling muffs will keep my hearing and Tinnitus from getting worse.

Please be aware. Even if you use custom made earplugs and noise cancelling earmuffs. If external sound is loud enough, it will pass through your skull and be transferred to your inner ear and irritate your cochlea by bone conduction. Wearing moulded earplugs and earmuffs will not protect you if external sound is too loud. Low bass frequencies can also cause harm.

One should go out and enjoy themselves at a music venue if they want to, but at the same time be careful of overly loud sounds. The rule of thumb is this: If you have to shout for someone to hear you that's standing close by then the sound is too loud. Keep away from large speakers and the front stage.

Michael