HIFU (High-Intensity Focused Ultrasound) Surgery

[Christian78]

I was into clinic. They done loreta Qeeg and told me they can not help me becouse i dont have type of tinnitus they can treat.

I knew viking by months of chatting and then after failure of his operation and all what happen he changed, but i know his operation failed. I asked when i was about it, I asked professor Jeanmonod and he told me that only limited help can be achieved. Operation is not 100% guarantee, but more like hopefully 50%.

Operation is done by ultrasound emitters that are frying overactive cell on hypothalamus. There is risk of burning blood vessels and causing stroke but that is very minimal as they claim.

Did you try trobalt? People try it after exposure and start becouse then is most effective... I use trobalt now 2 years, with minor brakes...

 

[NineNails]

Also I assume you had a qEEG? will you post it?

Evidence @Christian78 ?

 

[Christian78]

Evidence @Christian78 ?

I JUST DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THESE GAMES, BECAUSE THEY CAUSE STRESS.

I have done 2 eeg and i have bunch of documents, still i if you are Viking please just leave me be, I dont need any sick games of changing nicknames on this forum and then provocating. I know Viking had 3 user accounts, is this forth?

I dont care, I dont have time to play any more any sick minded games.

PS: never issue your name and address and personal data becouse there is stalker on this tt forum. Privet medical document are private and secret.

Go now, be on your merry way

 

[NineNails]

THESE GAMES,

So it's all just a game to you?

You can censor sensitive data. Besides, who would want to stalk you?

We'd like to see your results for comparison reason. Otherwise we've to presume it's all just another scam.

 

[Christian78]

So it's all just a game to you?

You can censor sensitive data. Besides, who would want to stalk you?

We'd like to see your results for comparison reason. Otherwise we've to presume it's all just another scam.

You are nothing and no one and you don't need to see nothing, special my private data!

 

[NineNails]

you don't need to see nothing,

Exactly!

Anyhow, where there is no proof there is no liability.

 

[Christian78]

Exactly!

Anyhow, where there is no proof there is no liability.

I am here much longer than you. I have much more contacts with doctors than you around Europe in 5 countries. I don't have data that you need, you can read like anybody else what is written for. There is public profile on webpages and you go and read. Those are ENOUGH for you. What is happening in research is none of your concern, and if there is something publick then you will be informed about it, until then monitor official web page. No need for you to know more. Understand? You are just one of 100 million t sufferers, when there is something important that you get to know, you will.

YOU DON'T GET TO DEMAND FROM ME PRIVATE DOCUMENTS. IF YOU NEED SOMETHING GO AND FIND DOCTORS AND PAY THINGS AND FIND RESEARCHERS AND DO RESEARCH. FOR ME YOU ARE NO ONE, JUST A DROP IN A SEA.

as said i don't need to prove to you nothing, you are faceless and therefore you shell remain as such. there are other people here that you can demand proofs from, but to you no one need to prove anything.

What kind liability you speak about, you are liability. You are so funny, I have nothing to say else. You tell ME i need to prove to you something, and you are faceless no one, why did not someone else asked me for proof. Person who asked me for it got it over internet over facebook. But to you never, just go on your merry way as far as you can from me.

 

[Ecip]

I've actually emailed Dr. Jeanmonod regarding HIFU:

...
A little about myself; I'm 32 years old, born in Switzerland, and have been living in Canada since 1998. On November 4th, 2014, I had a sudden onset of very intrusive tinnitus. Doctors, including an ENT, can not say why this has happened, as hearing tests, Ct-scans, MRI's, X-rays and various blood tests are all normal, and it leads me to conclude that my tinnitus is idiopathic.

Any information would be appreciated.

He replied:

Dear Mr. xxx,

Thank you very much for your email.

The description of your case does not speak for a tinnitus of neurogenic origin, i.e. caused by a reduction of auditory inputs and a following brain overactivity. There is in this context no appropriate chance of relief with a neurosurgical approach.

In your case, I would recommend further ENT search, e.g. in the direction of a tinnitus of myogenic origin, and consider the possibility of a psychogenic origin, to be treated by psychotherapy.

I am sorry that we shall not be able to help you, and I wish you all the best.

With my kindest regards

D. Jeanmonod

So therefore, unless your tinnitus is due to a neurogenic cause, you would probably not respond to HIFU.

 

[monacco]

@Ecip mine also is idiopathic but I am wondering how psycotherapy could help us, the T is phisycal disorder and not mental disorder the prove is when I take trobalt the hyperactivity of neurons calm down

 

[Ecip]

@Ecip mine also is idiopathic but I am wondering how psycotherapy could help us, the T is phisycal disorder and not mental disorder the prove is when I take trobalt the hyperactivity of neurons calm down

Well, for some people of could totally be psychological; depression, stress, etc.

In my case, I don't know. I haven't tried any medication. I wouldn't mind trying this whole lidocaine IV injection to see how that goes, but finding a doctor willing to experiment with a guy to see what works and what doesn't is nearly impossible.

 

[Codaz]

I was into clinic. They done loreta Qeeg and told me they can not help me becouse i dont have type of tinnitus they can treat.

I knew viking by months of chatting and then after failure of his operation and all what happen he changed, but i know his operation failed. I asked when i was about it, I asked professor Jeanmonod and he told me that only limited help can be achieved. Operation is not 100% guarantee, but more like hopefully 50%.

Operation is done by ultrasound emitters that are frying overactive cell on hypothalamus. There is risk of burning blood vessels and causing stroke but that is very minimal as they claim.

Did you try trobalt? People try it after exposure and start becouse then is most effective... I use trobalt now 2 years, with minor brakes...

Can they see/detect the type of T they can treat with loreta?

 

[Christian78]

Can they see/detect the type of T they can treat with loreta?

YES, and they got new better machine now in Belgium

 

[Codaz]

YES, and they got new better machine now in Belgium

What does it see? Brain activity isn't also directly tinnitus. I Googled a bit and saw brain imagery but how does that differentiate between normal brain activity / headache / tinnitus?

 

[Codaz]

YES, and they got new better machine now in Belgium

Do you visit Belgium anytime soon or no more appointments scheduled?

 

[Fairy]

Ultrasound, hum, I have reading on this tonight. It was in India, then Switzerland, France,
Where can you get help???

 

[Emmi]

I thought that most T's are caused by a hyperactivity of the auditory cortex caused by hearing loss in certain frequencies thus a reduction of auditory inputs.. or am I misunderstanding something?

 

[Champ]

I thought that most T's are caused by a hyperactivity of the auditory cortex caused by hearing loss in certain frequencies thus a reduction of auditory inputs.. or am I misunderstanding something?

For some people this is definitely the case.

There's just a lot of different types of tinnitus. You might have an issue with your ear AND brain so even if you solve one, the other issue is still there.

 

[japongus]

I've actually emailed Dr. Jeanmonod regarding HIFU:


He replied:


So therefore, unless your tinnitus is due to a neurogenic cause, you would probably not respond to HIFU.

What utter nonsense in his reasoning of your idiopathic tinnitus. How he makes the jump to assume it's not myogenic and that it's psychogenic escapes me. The vasilia report I posted about on the forum was idiopathic...

Do you or anyone know if Jeanmonod considers acoustic trauma and TTTS as psychogenic or myogenic? And could his successful patients change their T with neck movements, indicating at least a somatic component? Or is he just bluffing and poking in the dark?

 

[ReyKalinic]

What utter nonsense in his reasoning of your idiopathic tinnitus. How he makes the jump to assume it's not myogenic and that it's psychogenic escapes me. The vasilia report I posted about on the forum was idiopathic...

Do you or anyone know if Jeanmonod considers acoustic trauma and TTTS as psychogenic or myogenic? And could his successful patients change their T with neck movements, indicating at least a somatic component? Or is he just bluffing and poking in the dark?

This doc is strange; He give a lot of vagous and different answers;

i wrote for trigeminal pain and tinnitus;

q;
Hi. I had a look into your website and i found that the thalamocortical process could explain the phenomena of phanotms like tinnitus and pain. Does your approach work on tinnitus, pain or both? The cause of mine is (probably) hearing loss on high frequency and i've tryed all the possible treatment. Thanks.

a;
Dear Mr Kalinic.
We apologise for the delayed answer. In neurogenic Tinnitus and pain (after a damage along the auditory pathway) a thalamocortical dysrythmia may be found in the quatitative EEG indeed. Although I have experience (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=tinnitus+jeanmonod). Unfortunately, we do not treat neurogenic Tinnitus and pain at Sonimodul at the present time. We wish you all the best. Daniel Jeanmonod

So, what He did to dedalus or viking and others? Lobothomy clinic of new century???

is this legal?

He cites the official medical literature but there is no scientific evidence about what he would claim

 

[Louise]

Hi,

Could someone refresh me on how this HIFU treatment is supposed to work? It's the thalamus that's ablated, isn't it? What's the theory behind how it works?

Apologies if it's already somewhere in this thread but it's just too long to read it all.

Thanks,
Louise.

 

[Lesky]

Is this method dead for tinnitus and hyperacusis?

 

[dan]

Is this method dead for tinnitus and hyperacusis?

Can you stand a 3-5 hour MRI procedure at 130 dB levels? That is the question.

 

[Paul Walter]

Did anyone ever go ahead and have this procedure? Did it help? Have there been any further studies ?

 

[dan]

Did anyone ever go ahead and have this procedure? Did it help? Have there been any further studies ?

The treatment is dead.

 

[OptimusPrimed]

The treatment is dead.

Is FUS really dead though?

 

[ReyKalinic]

Is FUS really dead though?

I always thought it was a high-level scam. Switzerland is unassailable. The sonimodul.ch website is hacked... "We hope for your understanding." There is no more news about this doctor or the clinic. Who knows what happened to the patients.

 

[dan]

I always thought it was a high-level scam. Switzerland is unassailable. The sonimodul.ch website is hacked... "We hope for your understanding." There is no more news about this doctor or the clinic. Who knows what happened to the patients.

He probably retired, and there is no successor.

 

[ReyKalinic]

He probably retired, and there is no successor.

No successor on a claimed technology? Wow. Maybe they are green, and the HIFU is gasoline-fueled