How Loud Is Too Loud for a Momentary Sound? Dropped a Keychain onto the Floor

[quietmedic]

So I dropped my heavy keychain onto the floor while trying to lock the door. Rechecked it with sound meter, wearing earmuffs... Clocked in at 95 dB. Don't know if it worsened my tinnitus yet.

Anyone have a good rule of thumb as to how loud is too loud and likely to spike or damage hearing/tinnitus?

 

[Bill Bauer]

So I dropped my heavy keychain onto the floor while trying to lock the door. Rechecked it with sound meter, wearing earmuffs... Clocked in at 95 dB. Don't know if it worsened my tinnitus yet.

Anyone have a good rule of thumb as to how loud is too loud and likely to spike or damage hearing/tinnitus?

Try to avoid the sounds that make you feel uncomfortable (and especially if they result in spikes). But if you get exposed to one of those sounds, don't worry about it. This is unavoidable. Even if you get a spike, chances are that it will be temporary. Learn from your mistakes, but don't obsess over it.

Based on my experience, something like a key chain falling and making a lot of noise has the capacity to give one a spike that would last for a couple of hours and possibly a day or two. It is probably not contributing to one's healing, but it isn't a big deal.

I am glad that you are taking the need to avoid loud noises during this time of healing seriously, but you want to be careful to not overdo it. This has the potential to get debilitating.

 

[Mister Muso]

I walked past a bus which blasted its horn loudly for 2-3 seconds about 15 feet from me. My hyperacusis was at its worst at the time, but although it felt painful at the time, there was no spike at all. On the other hand, playing the piano for 10 minutes with hearing protection has spiked me for a few days.

Our hearing systems are fickle things.

 

[JohnAdams]

no telling, we are all in unique situations, but I think dropping the keys is okay but what do I know?

 

[MattS]

So I dropped my heavy keychain onto the floor while trying to lock the door. Rechecked it with sound meter, wearing earmuffs... Clocked in at 95 dB. Don't know if it worsened my tinnitus yet.

Anyone have a good rule of thumb as to how loud is too loud and likely to spike or damage hearing/tinnitus?

I think it's also important to differentiate spikes from damage. Lots of things cause spikes - noise, stress, caffeine, exercise. But not all of these things cause actual damage, and these spikes almost always come back down to baseline.

Will dropping your keys lead to a temporary spike? Maybe, maybe not. As @JohnAdams said, everyone's a bit different. But this is more an annoyance than something to be fearful of. And know that even if you get a spike, you can be confident that it'll come back down again.

More importantly: Will dropping your keys lead to more damage? Exceedingly unlikely. Even at 95 dB, since it was a 1-second duration sound, it can't realistically be expected to cause more damage. You will be okay.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Will dropping your keys lead to more damage? Exceedingly unlikely.

@quietmedic
I think if one keeps getting these shocks then eventually (after dozens or hundreds of shocks) one might actually end up with some damage. This is the reason one's body is providing one with feedback in the form of a spike - the body is trying to signal for one to not continue doing the activity that results in the spike. It is not possible to avoid those shocks altogether, but it ought to be easy to avoid the number of the shocks that have a chance in resulting in damage.

 

[MattS]

@quietmedic
I think if one keeps getting these shocks then eventually (after dozens or hundreds of shocks) one might actually end up with some damage. This is the reason one's body is providing one with feedback in the form of a spike - the body is trying to signal for one to not continue doing the activity that results in the spike. It is not possible to avoid those shocks altogether, but it ought to be easy to avoid the number of the shocks that have a chance in resulting in damage.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Again - exercise can lead to spikes, and I don't think one should expect that if you exercise too much you're going to do additional damage.

It's a nice story to assume that everything is there for a reason, that it's the body's natural defense mechanism. Hyperacusis may be exactly that. But spikes? Not so sure. These could just as easily be consequences of a system that has simply gone slightly haywire.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I'm not sure I agree with this. Again - exercise can lead to spikes, and I don't think one should expect that if you exercise too much you're going to do additional damage.

It's a nice story to assume that everything is there for a reason, that it's the body's natural defense mechanism. Hyperacusis may be exactly that. But spikes? Not so sure. These could just as easily be consequences of a system that has simply gone slightly haywire.

I had something like

It can get extremely bad. I went to clubs and concerts for four years after inital onset of mild T and H, and I was fine. I got some increased T before going to bed, but that was all.

Until one day, it wasn't.

in mind. You might object that we know that concerts can hurt our ears. But then there's the following argument to be made:

It appears injured ears are very similar to concussions. If a person sufferes a concussion, and then has another one before the first one is done healing, the 2nd concussion can be several times worse. It makes sense, as an injured brain trying to heal doesn't have the resilience of a healthy brain to withstand a new trauma.

 

[MattS]

All that's well and good, and probably true. But it has only tangential, circumstantial linkage to the claim that spikes are a natural defense mechanism.

 

[Bill Bauer]

All that's well and good, and probably true. But it has only tangential, circumstantial linkage to the claim that spikes are a natural defense mechanism.

I think that the testimony from a person who ignored spikes and ended up with permanently louder tinnitus, is direct evidence in support of that claim.

Here is one that seems to imply that not trying to change one's behaviour in response to learning what makes tinnitus worse can lead to serious problems:

It wasn't until 6 months ago, December 2017, that my lifestyle drastically changed. I started going out to clubs, parties, and I obviously started drinking. These are things never use to do prior to December 2017.

I noticed late February that something was wrong. My tinnitus began increasing in volume. But I was caught up in the hype. I was caught up in the fun. And I ignored it. WHICH I GREATLY REGRET.

Over the past couple of months my tinnitus has been getting worse and worse. Till about 3 weeks ago were the ringing starting becoming unbearable.

I realised that my partying days are over, but my young and foolish self didn't want to except that. So I came up with the "bright idea" to go to parties without harming my ears, and that was to wear ear plugs at the party (this party happened 5 days ago by the way).

2 hours into the party I could feel that the ear plugs are not working. I then asked my friends if we could leave because I started panicking and we left. What made matters worse is that I was high (we smoked marijuana that night) so it made me extremely paranoid and all my mind focused on was the tinnitus. I couldn't even sleep that night, the ringing was too much.

5 days later and the ringing is still loud. And it's not showing any signs of decreasing in volume.

 

[Julien87]

Clocked in at 95 dB. Don't know if it worsened my tinnitus yet.

When you sneeze it's louder than 95 dB.
I don't think this can do damage. According to my physical db meter, brief sounds like clutter hitting a plate or dog barking can reach 110 dB at 1 meter. But since it's very very brief I do not think it can be harmful (for most of us, at least - perhaps it could be dangerous for people who have a severe case of hyperacusis).

 

[MattS]

I think that the testimony from a person who ignored spikes and ended up with permanently louder tinnitus, is direct evidence in support of that claim.

No, it is not. It does speak to the fact that noise-induced spikes should not be taken lightly, and that they may indicate that you are stressing the system. And yes, ignoring these noise-induced spikes and just continuing your noise-exposure as per usual could of course lead to a worsening of your tinnitus. All of this is so undeniable that I'm not sure why we're even remotely debating it.

However, this is not the same thing as suggesting that the spikes are, themselves, part of the body's natural defense system. The blood from a cut that bleeds is an indication of injury, to be sure; but the blood is not itself part of the body's natural defense mechanism. Rather, it is simply an indication of injury.

You may consider this point moot, but if we are going to really understand the underlying causes/mechanisms of tinnitus, we need to be precise about those causes/mechanisms. Calling them natural bodily defensive mechanisms leads to further assumptions re the nature of spikes that may or may not be correct.

Here is one that seems to imply that not trying to change one's behaviour in response to learning what makes tinnitus worse can lead to serious problems:

This, too, is sage advice. But not evidence of a natural warning system.