How Many People Have Committed Suicide on This Forum?

[Michael2013]

Ummmmm.... but the article I posted was not made by a marketing company - agree?

And... there isn't that much to screw up with when you have two comparative studies on the same population: one stating that suicide attempts is twice as high for people with tinnitus. Doesn't get much clearer than that does it?

Here is a link to the book "Alice in Wonderland" - I thought I'd post it for you and others (it seems it is more suited for your tastes and psychological profiles):

www.amazon.com/Alices-Adventures-Wonderland-Thrift-Editions/dp/0486275434

How does any of this help the original poster who is suffering and considering suicide himself?! Does anybody even care?

 

[Ed209]

I'm sorry for getting drawn into a debate about stats but sincerely hope @jdjd09 finds the help he needs. It's not nice to see anyone suffering and crying out for help. I really wish there was more I could do than offer words of support.

 

[attheedgeofscience]

I don't see how you can have conclusive proof of anything from one paper based on the statistics they analysed.

No, you wish that to be the case. That's the problem (because the outcome of the study doesn't suit your belief system). Clinical Otolaryngology is a scientific journal, not a 3rd grade essay.

It needs to be replicated many times over and peer reviewed.

It is peer reviewed. Why do you need to prove something which has already been proven. If there wasn't basis for the conclusions in the article, it would not have been published.

Do you also need to prove the existence of gravity twice? I think once is enough - if done to scientific standards, right?

 

[Zug]

I don't see how you can have conclusive proof of anything from one paper based on the statistics they analysed. It needs to be replicated many times over and peer reviewed.

If they pooled the data from a 1000 people you will get result A. Pool the data from 10,000 people and you'll get result B. Pool it from 5,000,000 people and you will get result C.

All three will be different. You need much more data than this to draw any kind of decisive conclusions.

all of them could be published, go into the researchers curriculum vitae, maybe someone would do a meta analysis with all of them. Maybe more researchers around the world would do their own papers, which would take years.

In the end, the most we could say would be: "There is evidence of correlation". Which is very different from "T causes suicide". Maybe someone would look at the data again with a different method and find a whole different conclusion. That's how real science is done.

You know, I had some luck. I got published, met some very smart people, even talked to a Nobel winner or two. Getting T was hard, I let go a book contract. But I know my math and this sole paper says nothing.

As for the "Edge of Science", I notice he started ignoring me after I criticized him elsewhere. Funny thing, he was all happy when a "Celebrity" clicked on a Facebook post of his, before discovering who was the said "celebrity". Science and Sciency are very different things.

@Michael2013 I agree with you. As I have a good understanding of scientific literature, I decided to post only to call it as I see it. I don't want people to think that one article summary is a whole scientific conclusion.

If you're thinking about suicide, please reach for a Doctor.

 

[Ed209]

all of them could be published, go into the researchers curriculum vitae, maybe someone would do a meta analysis with all of them. Maybe more researchers around the world would do their own papers, which would take years.

In the end, the most we could say would be: "There is evidence of correlation". Which is very different from "T causes suicide". Maybe someone would look at the data again with a different method and find a whole different conclusion. That's how real science is done.

You know, I had some luck. I got published, met some very smart people, even talked to a Nobel winner or two. Getting T was hard, I let go a book contract. But I know my math and this sole paper says nothing.

As for the "Edge of Science", I notice he started ignoring me after I criticized him elsewhere. Funny thing, he was all happy when a "Celebrity" clicked on a Facebook post of his, before discovering who was the said "celebrity". Science and Sciency are very different things.

@Michael2013 I agree with you. As I have a good understanding of scientific literature, I decided to post only to call it as I see it. I don't want people to think that one article summary is a whole scientific conclusion.

If you're thinking about suicide, please reach for a Doctor.

Exactly @Zug. I still don't see the relevance to all this or how one study based on 17,446 people concludes anything.

 

[Sebastians]

I will tend to see some of them mentioning to a member that it will get over time, only, to then see that same member posting about their own difficulties in another thread. I'd be happy to call some of these members out for you (with examples) - shall I?

No thanks, that is just plain sad. Things can get better or worse over time, depending on many factors. In this particular case, a young man could go from suicidal to functional. I guess that's worth putting one's ego aside -agree.?

Ummmmm.... but the article I posted was not made by a marketing company - agree?

Here is a link to the book "Alice in Wonderland" - I thought I'd post it for you and others (it seems it is more suited for your tastes and psychological profiles):

www.amazon.com/Alices-Adventures-Wonderland-Thrift-Editions/dp/0486275434

And that's just offensive behaviour. It also reminds me of some recent scientific article I stumbled upon. An interesting read indeed:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...rolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

 

[Markku]

I feel it's time to lock this thread as something that has gone past its usefulness and supportiveness, hopefully the thread starter got some insight into what they were looking for.

Should someone wish to discuss this decision more, please feel free to PM me.