Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[SoulStation]

no doubt. Good luck brother.

 

[Salt]

So i'm going in tomorrow for my first HBOT treatment, but not from any of the facilities i've mentioned above. When i got the bottom of the NY directory of HBO I found a small facility called Whole Life Practices in LI- http://www.wholelifepractices.com/home.html . It is a small operation that seems legit and they have a legit HBOT chamber and from what i can tell they know what they're doing. The best part about the situation is that is $500 for 5 sessions. While i'm a little nervous about the situation, i do have a good feeling about it, i think i'm doing the right thing here.

I'll update my results here... if anyone else is looking for HBOT in the NYC/tri-state area and can't afford $250+ a session, this seems like the place.

Also i am going to take some NAC and drink POM juice to fight off some of the free radicals, anyone suggestions for other antioxidants?

 

[SoulStation]

Good luck salt! I'm curious to know the results.

 

[nogood]

@Salt how is it going ?? Any update ??

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

Hi
Considering start the HBT soon.
I have Tinnitus since beginning of the year ( 2014)
Firts time i went to the Doctor had a 40db loss on my right year.
Two weeks ago went for another consult and my ear loss at 8KZ s now only ( if we can say s0) 20DB
I noticed during this last few months that my Tinnitus was coming down and more managible.
This gave me great hope on trying the HBOT so maybe my ears can recover a little more.
During this time I was and still doing TRT.

As soon I manage to get
my treatments i will say something.

 

[Salt]

@Salt how is it going ?? Any update ??

Today i just finished my 5th treatment, and as far as i can tell its reduced my T. Its hard to say how significantly/permanently yet, because T tends to fluctuate like it does. However after the first 2 sessions I had some of the quietest days since onset, and then throughout the next couple days i worked a lot and slept very little and the T was more noticeable. After about the 4th session i noticed the tone that seemed to be louder in the R ear seemed to be gone all together, but that TV-static like sound was more noticeable.

Today after the 5th session and while i'm fairly tired i barely notice it at all except when i look for the sound, if i plug my ears i hear it mildly.

I think i'm going to go for 10 sessions total and see what happens, if its still lessening after that maybe i'll go to 15. Do i think its a good idea? Yes, i'm glad i'm doing it. Like i said its hard to gauge at the moment exactly how much, but all in all i notice it less and i expect to notice more changes.

 

[nogood]

@Salt What ata did they gave you ??

 

[Salt]

They started me at around 2.0 and then a couple days ago moved me down to 1.7 based on recent research that nerves (like the ones in our ears) respond and receive oxygen best at that pressure. When i woke up from my next sleep i noticed the T's tonal qualities were the most changed since starting the treatment.

I had a bunch of questions about this pressure change, like most people (or at least most Americans i tend to think more is better. They suggested i check out this resource - Underseas Hyperbaric Medical Society - where the research came from, which i haven't done yet.

 

[nogood]

I have hizzing static tone.. tonal component is gone. Last time used to be high pitch hizzing some tonal component in mornings. .. here they started at 1.4 now working way up to 1.8 yday definitely felt something funny happening in my ear.. will give it few more session and see how it goes.. I probably will go up to 15 sessions.. might as well give it full try..

 

[nogood]

7 session done so far.. last two were at 1.8 ..
Day time T is reduced .. I hardly notice it ..
At night lying down different story. . Its still hizzing. . May be slightly lower in volume. .
But one thing .. today and last session I felt tingling sensation in my right ear. . The ear which is having the T.
@Salt did u had any funny feeling in ur ears ? During hbot sessions ?

 

[Salt]

7 session done so far.. last two were at 1.8 ..
Day time T is reduced .. I hardly notice it ..
At night lying down different story. . Its still hizzing. . May be slightly lower in volume. .
But one thing .. today and last session I felt tingling sensation in my right ear. . The ear which is having the T.
@Salt did u had any funny feeling in ur ears ? During hbot sessions ?

@nogood

I haven't noticed any tingling in my ears really, sometimes after the sessions though my ears ache a bit, I'm guessing from all the popping. They will also have "little pops" frequently throughout the day after a session.

I've had 11 sessions so far and I'm at the point where when I step out of the chamber my T is almost inaudible, but slowly creeps back in throughout the day. Right now I'm in a spike, probably because I've had a couple of drinks (like 3 total). But the spike isn't as loud as they have been before... As much as I can tell.it also seems like that staticy tv-noise like sound is less recognizable, and is now more like a combination of that and the sound of the high pitched end of running water through a pipe (without the rushing sound). It changed to be more like this after we went up to a higher pressure (2.4) for one of my sessions. I'm not sure if that was a good idea... Anyone have any experience with higher pressures and changes in T?

So far the best results I've had we're from doing 30 min at 2.0 and then lowering to 1.7/1.8 for the remaining 30 min. I'm not sure why exactly... But my ears seem to like it like that. My thought is that at 2.0 we're forcing the oxygen in faster and then lowering it to the optimal pressure for the nerves to receive the oxygen (but there's more there than if we just ran 1.7). I'm not a scientist or a doctor, so I can also imagine this could be completely off.

I'm planning to do 4 more sessions with this protocol, hopefully then I can try focusing on not noticing the T as much. Maybe I'll do another 5 afterwards but I kinda don't want to... I think all the oxygen is making me tired from all the free radicals.

Thanks for listening!

 

[RoyZ]

I friends.. sorry I didn't get to see your posts earlier.

I think that if you have any improvements you should try to go for 30 sessions to max it out. or at least 20, this are the best amounts imho.

about the pressure, I only know that 2 atmospheres is how I got my treatments and that it is the optimal pressure for HBOT.

@Salt You are a sound professional, and for all the others too, my personal believe and thought are that Neuromodulation is the best thing you can do after (or with) HBOT and steroids.

but you really have to find your frequency, one of them, and nail that bastard for awhile. sometimes it's hard to find your frequency at very high frequencies but it is definitely possible and super important that you'll get it right.
I think it does work for me to a good degree.

read the do it yourself treatment page here: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/acoustic-cr®-neuromodulation-do-it-yourself-guide.1469/

and use this page: http://www.generalfuzz.com/acrn

keep doing it.. don't give up. I do it anytime that T raises its head and it's going quieter. if not in a few minutes than I wake up much better in the next morning and that is generally not the case. (although my T now in general is at super low volume-god bless)

Good luck!

 

[Salt]

Hey @RoyZ,

Thanks so much for the reply, i'm going to start neuromodulation ASAP. To find my frequency do i just listen to a signal generator until it matches up? Would i not be able to hear the frequency if i've lost it? Seems pretty self explanatory but i just want to make sure i'm not missing anything else. Is there a possibility someone could experience more than one frequency at a time?

Also i remember you mentioning you had a 30% drop in your T with HBOT, how long after onset did you start treatment?

Thanks again for the info, I'm sure i'm not the only one who will benefit from it.

 

[nogood]

@Salt I too have staticy tv-noise like hizzzzzzzzzzzzzz not so bad as before. .. some reduction in volume... almost unnoticeable in day times unless its very quite or if I wear a helmet..
While lying down or waking up its still there... or if I enter a closed room after walking outside it creeps back in.. I am also thinking of going to 20 sessions. . But will give a small break between.. At 1.8 my ears did feel funny,, I felt it two times..
I felt tired today.. almost slept through whole day..I take coq10 and melatonin (for sleeping) I think both are strong antioxidants. .
Thanks for sharing your experience. .
@RoyZ I also want to try neuromodulation but my t is not tonal its more of hizzing static.. going to do audiogram next week to see if any improvement in hearing..
also tinnatiogram hopefully audiologist can help me find right frequency. .

 

[Salt]

Update:

I finished my 15th session today and its been a pretty loud day, yesterday after my 14th session it was very quiet all day and it felt like i was getting somewhere... then today its back at what seems like full force. I have 4 more sessions scheduled next week, but i think i'm going to stop if i hit a quiet day and call it quits. The operator at the facility recommended taking a week or so off and then returning to HBOT, saying that the first phase of healing with HBOT is where the body builds up capillaries and mechanisms to heal, and its a good idea to break after the first 15 or so sessions. But i haven't read any experiences like that here, it seems like the standard protocol is to do as many as you can as fast as you can. In general i've been getting 4-6 sessions a week for the last 3 weeks, with the weekends off.

So far is seems like some days i'm getting somewhere and other days i'm not, maybe 6 weeks was too late of a start from onset... i wish i would have gotten to this forum sooner...

 

[nogood]

I also finished 15 sessions. . On break now.. it seems like standard practice to give break after 15 days. .
Maybe next week I will give 5 more sessions. .
I do feel some difference but can't say for sure how much. . T is not very loud. . But it's still here..

 

[Salt]

@noog how long is your break? How consecutively did you do your session? My facility isn't open on weekends...

 

[nogood]

@Salt I went 6 days a week. . Its a diabetic treatment center.. I am the first one who walked in for treating T... the Doctor asked me to take a break for a week to 10 days- their usual protocol for treating wounds.
They are not experienced in treating T. So it's up to me to pick and choose how many sessions..so probably 5 more sessions if possible next week..
I have to fly back to Singapore for work coming 18th so need to plan for both. .

 

[RoyZ]

@Salt & @nogood & Everybody..

Hey.. no problem, this post took me a while to complete.. so first about HBOT,
I started the treatment a month after onset. (@Salt 6 weeks after is not bad at all the recomendations is up to 3 months) after 10 sessions I got about 70% (not 30% as you mentioned) of a drop in T loudness. from then on it might have added just a little bit of improvement and probably more of conservation. I would recommend anybody to get at least 20 sessions of HBOT and to see if there is an improvement, if so then to I would go until 30.
but this is my scenario which is after a sudden hearing loss and it is a way of making the ear heal better which is stated in the guidelines for treating SHL (ISSHL).
if you do HBOT take NAC as well.
the doctor which is the head of the HBOT and another department in the hospital where I was treated administrate this to all patients. it forces the blood vessels to stay open (very important in your ear right now for the healing) under the oxygen treatment. the oxygen causes them to shrink. they recommended taking NAC 600mg 3 times a day which one of them is 20 min before the session.
they've also recommended Omega3 max 1 time a day. olive oil which I eat everyday anyway and some nuts which I didn't eat.
the HBOT doc also instruct people not to smoke in the days of the treatment.
smoking is such a bad thing .. if you are smoking.. just stop, it takes only 1 month of being strong and you are clean and don't need/want nicotine like the most of the clean world, from my experience.

I think that NAC is important! I know that in the US army they use NAC for soldires who were exposed to very loud noises to better protect their ears from getting sudden hearing loss (and most likely T with it).

I was advised by another professor to stop drinking caffeine at all for the time of the healing (months)
since caffeine shrinks the blood vessels.

SHL was my scenario, another scenario story: with me at the HBOT sessions was a lady, maybe in her late 40's and she had some kind of a neurological case where she passed out and after she woke up she had all kinds of phenomenon for months like little pulses of "electricity" in her body and numbness and tingling and T and more.. after 3 months all she had left with was T. 2 frequencies and very loud. she was given all kinds of medications and got to HBOT only about 10 months after onset. we started at about the same time and when I left she didn't have no improvement. but I recently called her to see how she is and she said that she has a permanent improvement after 50 sessions! she said it went down from 7-8 to 4-5 in loudness in a scale of 10. she is happy but she hoped for a better result. this shows that if you have some kind of brain issue it takes a while for HBOT to help, but her improvements are permanent and they took place after so many months of the same loud level of T. so in her case we have to give the credit to HBOT and not like my case where it could be HBOT that helped and could also be spontaneous natural recovery. she also took a SPECT test that showed the issue in the brain from the beginning.

so it depends if you have a brain issue or a cochlea issue or a hearing nerve issue.
I am not a doctor but I'll tell you what I know from what I learned on the way, take it with limited liability.
for brain issues, I've been told by a specialist that HBOT can help even after a few years.
for cochlea issue, I think it's the sooner the better and up to 3 months is the recommendation in the guidelines for SHL. I would do it at up anyway to at least 6 months or maybe even more if it's a bad T.
for hearing nerve issue, I don't know but I think it's more rare and I guess that like at the cochlea issue, HBOT is helping the body to heal better and faster. I also think that Steroids are very important in that case since I heard that if the nerve is getting swollen and while it's passing through a very little hole in the skull, it starts to die as it "chokes" on itself. and steroids take that swollenness down.
if you have some kind of an autoimmune inner ear disease HBOT might be useless, and T could fluctuate and be much better at times and much worst at times depending on how hard is the current attack of the body on itself. (I suspect that this is what I have)
and I assume there are plenty of more causes for T like viruses and what not.. so in most cases it's very hard for physicians to tell you where is your issue. "Idiopathic" as they say, for no known reason.
but if you will know eventually you might not be able to know until a few months goes by so get HBOT ASAP in case you have what most of the patients have, sudden hearing loss. (ISSHL).

I know only one doctor in my country (Israel) that can tell where is your problem coming from and what is the best thing to do with your T. he usually sends for "ultra high" frequencies hearing test for up to 20KHz and sometimes for tinnitus evaluation and a brain mapping (SPECT) to see if you have any brain issues. most other doctors will just send you away and tell you to "live with it"! I hate that phrase! and I won't! I'll always keep looking for the answer to T and I believe it will be in the form of sound.

TINNITUS CAN ALSO GO AWAY OF IT'S OWN.
in most cases it's only after about 6 months that the situation is stabilized and you know what you are left with.
in my case it took a loooooong agonizing time to get to where I am now, very low volume T. (Thank God)
but on the way it was wild, I had more than one tone.. 2 and sometimes maybe even 3 and it got me out of control. and again, it took months to heal. by the way, most people who have 2 tones or more report they have a high whistling tone which is steady and fixed and another tone which is higher and it comes in bursts like a cricket.
so we are not talking about a little wound you got that will heal after a 3 weeks or a month. we are talking about months of recovery that in the meantime you think you are doomed with this forever and that might not be the case. so if I am not wrong, I think I got this number from a professor one time, about 20% of the patients heal by themselves.

it's important to stay positive and to hope and believe it will go away as it came and not to stress the body, many doctors say that keeping calm is the most important for the body to heal itself. never panic and remember there is always something to be done. I think that ignoring this fact leads to the panic and stress. you should always remember there is always something to be done. if I would've still gotten a bad T I was leaning towards neuromodulation, to fight the T sound with the same sound and the neuro' sounds, but there could be a fight! I believe there will be a solution that involves training the brain with sound.

I would recommend anybody with my scenario of SHL which is not a long way from onset (I used it up to 4 months after onset than started neuromodulation) to use a "sweep" sine tone that goes through all of the frequencies so it will stimulate and maybe revive the cells in the cochleas in the ears that might be dying but not completely dead.
The settings I recommend is something like 1KHz (or a little higher) to 20KHz in 20 seconds going up or up and back down (I don't think it matters) it sounds like a long lasting siren.
I heard that there were studies that shows that this worked on animals and even heard there was a study with humans but I didn't see it.
if you have a better ear, always be on the watch for the volume, don't put it to loud, monitor the loudness with your better ear from time to time. I played this sound only to the ear that needs it (left one, in most cases that is the "bad" ear)
again, watch out for high volume, you don't want to make more damage.
if you were exposed to a brief spike of sound it's probably ok since it was not for a long time.
use at your own risk.

you can use a PC program named "audacity" to generate a "chirp" which is the same thing and then generate a few seconds of silence and copy and paste to create many of the same and then when you have the length in time that you want. export the file to use on any device like phone, mp3 player etc'.

For android devices, the best app I found that lets you set the values for min and max and for how long and also shows you the frequency value which is great: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jm.android.frequencygenerator

For PC, a program that does the same. it's basically the same as the android app. it's a good tool but it doesn't show you the frequency value.
http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/us/products/generator/generator.

I think that this stimulation has helped me a lot, but there is no definite way of telling. it just makes sense. the best "T" ENT doctor in my country was smiling to me about it, telling me I was smart doing it. if it was up to me I would recommend that to anyone who is 2-3 weeks from onset to start this stimulation in some way (but not right after onset since any sound/noise might do harm in that stage or interfere with healing, not sure).

you will find out as you run the sweep sound that:

1. There most likely be "drops" in volume as you go up that shows that you have losses in those frequencies and correspondingly in those parts in the cochlea. it's like a 20 second super fast hearing test.
you could have a drop and then as the frequency will go up the volume will return to be loud and then there could be more drops.
try to see if they are close to your T frequency, I will get into this issue in more detail in the near future when I'll talk about NM)

2. there will be a limit frequency to your hearing. which you will not hear above it. keep in mind that the bar can be raised if you'll turn the volume up when you are in these high frequencies. you can probably hear much more than what you think you can. but don't do it. just stay on a fixed reasonable volume to stimulate the cells.
I used to do it for periods of about 10 min on and then 10 min off for about 1 hour a few times a day.
It was my answer to T when it raised its head, sometimes I felt much better after that stimulation and I was rushing to do it when T pissed me off.

The truth is I wrote A LOT about neuromodulation as well, what I think of it and many advises from my personal experience of how to use it right in my opinion but I chose not to post it right now so I could confirm that all of my data is updated. stay tuned. I'll post it in the do it yourself neuromodulation forum soon.

 

[RoyZ]

sorry I meant TINNITUS CAN ALSO GO AWAY ON IT'S OWN.
sorry for any other spelling/grammer mistakes

 

[Philip83]

@by the way, most people who have 2 tones or more report they have a high whistling tone which is steady and fixed and another tone which is higher and it comes in bursts like a cricket.

Sorry to brake topic a little but I have exactly this going on right now. Had an accident with sudden high volume from my stereo receiver about 2 months ago, and started getting these cricket-bursts. I still have them and they're driving me crazy. I've had them before during my 13 sears of tinnitus, but never longer than maybe a week, and now I'm at 8 weeks and counting... It's a bit reassuring to hear that you got rid of this even after several more months though. Gives me hope!

 

[RoyZ]

Sorry to brake topic a little but I have exactly this going on right now. Had an accident with sudden high volume from my stereo receiver about 2 months ago, and started getting these cricket-bursts. I still have them and they're driving me crazy. I've had them before during my 13 sears of tinnitus, but never longer than maybe a week, and now I'm at 8 weeks and counting... It's a bit reassuring to hear that you got rid of this even after several more months though. Gives me hope!

I think that Neuromodulation really helps with the "cricket" sounds the most. and less for the steady tone, but it's only what I've experienced so far. I hope that I'll find the way to better impact the steady tone as well.
set the NM treatment to your fixed tone and you might even get your cricket sound in the treatment. I think that is the best way for killing the cricket. if you don't get it try to set the frequency to your cricket sound.
do it for about 20-30 min and see how you feel. but one time won't be enough and it could be the same after one time. and you should also give yourself a minute right after listening to fix your hearing back to the no headphones and room acoustic state. try it at every other hour for a few hours to try to feel for the difference. patience is the name of the game.

 

[Memo]

First of all, I would like to thank all of you guys for all these useful information.
I also would like to share my case of T with you.
I got my T in August 2012. I got cold and I did not take any medication for it then at the same time I got T.
I would love to try Hyperbaric pressure treatment, but here in the US, the FDA does not allow us to do that for T.
Finally, I made my doctor to write a prescription for HBOT for 8 sets only.
I hope that the health insurance will cover that costs.

 

[awbw8]

Hey there @Memo, I have to say, I'm not sure HBOT is going to yield any results two years later and for non noise-induced/spontaneous hearing loss related T.

Normally I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying something they feel like trying, but HBOT is really expensive, insurance absolutely does not cover it in the U.S. and even with noise induced T, the research and results are iffy. Unless you have the money to blow, I would not put yourself in debt for this. I'd invest in TRT (with a truly excellent therapist - check out Dr. Nagler's list in the Doctor's Corner) or something of that nature instead.

 

[Salt]

@RoyZ

Thanks so much for such a lengthy and detailed response. I've read it thoroughly a few times now and have been using general fuzz's ACRN device for neuromodulation - http://www.generalfuzz.net/acrn/ . I've also just created some sweeps, which i plan to experiment with. I've made a sequence that goes 1k-20k, then 20k-1k, and then alternates having one ear start at 1k while the other starts at 20k, creating a stereo L-R sweeping action. I'm not sure if this could make any difference, but the idea seems to work into the neuroplasticity idea. I guess if you are just treating one ear that might not help, but i have T in both, slightly worse in the R ear (due to noise exposure).

I will upload these sweeps to everyone here, but please be careful with the use of these tones. When doing any of these tone-based treatments i tend to find what seems to be an acceptable low volume and then go a notch or so lower, and then when that seems normal i try to go even lower. Headphones with good isolation is a good idea and i personally stay away from ear buds, but if your going to use them, really turn down the volume as low as you can.

@Memo

I think awbw has a good point here, while at the same time its worth a shot if you really want to try HBOT. I'm not an expert but i think any significant result after 2 years in would take more than 8 sessions. At the same time if its not due to noise exposure then you might have different odds. My best recommendation in the US is to look for a facility that is a little more off-the-beaten-path (like a nonprofit or homeopathic treatment center), but has a legit chamber and operator. I used this site - http://www.hyperbariclink.com/TreatmentCenters/TreatmentCenters.aspx#.U5aP2ZRdWek - (although the layout isn't spectacular) to find a place near NYC that is $100 a session. Its always worth seeing if the insurance will cover it as well.

 

[Philip83]

I think that Neuromodulation really helps with the "cricket" sounds the most. and less for the steady tone, but it's only what I've experienced so far. I hope that I'll find the way to better impact the steady tone as well.
set the NM treatment to your fixed tone and you might even get your cricket sound in the treatment. I think that is the best way for killing the cricket. if you don't get it try to set the frequency to your cricket sound.
do it for about 20-30 min and see how you feel. but one time won't be enough and it could be the same after one time. and you should also give yourself a minute right after listening to fix your hearing back to the no headphones and room acoustic state. try it at every other hour for a few hours to try to feel for the difference. patience is the name of the game.

Thanks for this man! This Neuromodulation-thing passed me by somehow. As soon as I start listening it (http://generalfuzz.net/acrn/) my crickets goes away. I don't really care about my fixed tone which I have had for years and years because I'm totally habituated to it. I only just started trying this out though so let's see how it goes!

 

[RoyZ]

@Memo, sorry, but I also don't think HBOT will help you. read my last post of what I wrote about that lady I was with at my HBOT, she had some kind of brain issue and it did help her a year after onset but only after 50 sessions! when I don't think she saw the improvement coming anymore. but if you have T that didn't originate from a brain issue but from another reason like SHL (cochlea issue/hearing nerve issue) for the most of T sufferers, it's way to late imho, since HBOT helps the body heal when you do it in the first 3 months, after that period the body has already stabilized to the better or to the worst. if I was you I would go to a doctor to let me take a "SPECT" test, to tell if I have any kind of brain issue. if so, I would consider a very lengthy treatment in one of these less expensive places like @awbw8 suggested. 8 sessions is too little for HBOT no matter what the cause is, I know from people's experience.

if you think you must do it, I got a tip for you, try to talk to those HBOT places and ask their teams which doctors refers patients to them the most and for the most lengthy treatments. try to find an ENT physician that refers patients to HBOT. go see him/her and then make sure they'll prescribe you no less than 20 sessions.

@Salt, no problem friend, but I wouldn't do what you've suggested with the opposite directions sweeps on both ears. I think whatever you do you should do the same for both ears. the only thing I would think you could change between them might be only the volume for compensating for one ear if it has a greater hearing loss.
I think it's a matter of the brain receiving the same sounds on both sides in "unison" and that they reach the two audio cortex organs on each side of the brain in the same way. otherwise I just believe it could be a mess and might even make things worst! I actually managed to piss off my T somehow with my experimenting and it's going a little louder these days but it will subside. I am working on finding the best audio treatment.
I was experimenting with a sweep sound+the ACRN sounds together. it's a little crazy but might be beneficial but I did go on from there and I am trying other things. I am trying to see what brings the fastest results for reducing T.
but as I said, I pissed it off somehow so I wouldn't recommend trying that as well.
I'll share my conclusions when I'll have them. it's going to take me a while.

I would recommend anyone to watch this demonstration video which is about Tinnitus at the first place and about Neuromodulation after that, while we are still not sure of the results of the Neuromodulation treatment, it's a great demonstration video for the Tinnitus problem.

@Philip83 very glad I could help! be well and be persistent with the NM treatment, I believe that after along time it can actually "kill the cricket" meanwhile it might just put it to sleep.

 

[SoulStation]

It is definitely either the ACRN or the massive amounts of NAC I've been taking. But something has kept my tonal t down that resides at 3.9 khz. I've been persistant with the ACRN and doing at least 2 hours a day. I just try to have it on when I wake. And when I'm driving

 

[Salt]

@RoyZ, Thanks for the note about that sweep, i've reported my own post in attempt to remove the audio file i posted there. I will repost without the last sweep soon. Is NM more/less effective through headphones rather than speakers?

I've increased my dosage of NAC and had my 16th session. For the first time under RoyZ's suggestion I took 600mg of NAC 20min before the session and as far as i can tell had a noticeable improvement after that session. All of that day and today (no session today) my T has been incredibly low, even when i woke up this morning and went to bed last night. To me thats a good sign, up until then its been fluctuating quite a bit throughout the same day. I am getting 2 more sessions this week and then taking a week off. That will put me at 18 sessions, if i feel like it will help more after a week i will do another 4/5 sessions and then i will hit my 3 month mark.

@SoulStation - I'm glad the NM is working for you!

Does HBOT work for Meniere's disease? I ask for a new friend I've made, it sounds like a terrible disease so i'd like to get them all the info i can. (Also i thought i saw a specific thread for meniere's disease, but now i can't seem to find it).

 

[RoyZ]

@Salt, no prob, whatever audio treatment you do, headphones are always better, I wouldn't even consider using speakers, and for headphones you better off with a quality large closed back (that blocks external sound), mine are Audio-Technica ATH-M50s with a straight cable (opposed to coiled) as soon as I put them on my head I get a little relief. as they block sound, the natural acoustic sounds of the environment even in silence makes my T louder so that blocks it. mine specifically are monitor headphones (not DJ and not fun headphones) they are suppose to be accurate in representing the sound as it truly is and with out "coloring" mostly for the reason of professionals to mix and master with them and have a finished work that is neutral to be played on all sound systems rather than hearing more bass (or any other frequency) with a DJ headphones and mixing accordingly and then finding out when you play the song on another sound system that you miss a lot of bass since you got it from your headphones while you mixed, they lied. and you cut the bass while you mixed since the headphones were adding it.

I would do just that with NAC, it's the way to go, but don't get to depressed if T will come back, I hope it won't for you but I experienced a few "waves" of improvements while I had my HBOT. but, if there is an improvement that is great! I would keep going and quit while I max out my expense and have a quite day. I had 40 sessions and put $4000 in them. I had my improvement after the 10th session but kept going to try to eliminate it, who knew what's going to happen. I don't regret it I would do it again.

I can tell you they usually don't recommend to stop at all. especially if it works. but I think it's not written in stone and you could do what you feel.

can't help you with Meniere's disease, sorry..