I End Up Regretting Just About Every Attempt to Socialize Because of Hyperacusis

Look into Browning HDR's. They blow Peltor's out of the water. The Brownings are 37NRR, the highest I've seen. Got a pair yesterday, couldn't hear the dishwasher or heat pump running. So quiet I couldn't hear my feet hitting the floor when walking. https://www.browning.com/products/s...and-ear-protection/hdr-hearing-protector.html

Im sorry to say but this is garbage. I know this ear muff. You can find it under many different brand names on Amazon, but they are all the same. I originally got the ones by Clear Armor. It just the same ear muff and people buy them in bulk and slap their brand on it. And their rating is false. Ive owned both and Peltors block more sound yet their advertise rating is lower because its accurate. 3M's Peltors are the real deal. Nothing else like em.
 
Dont always rely on both though, when I went into the city I was wearing peltors and ear plugs and my tinnitus majorly spiked. But most of the other times both have worked.
 
Im sorry to say but this is garbage. I know this ear muff. You can find it under many different brand names on Amazon, but they are all the same. I originally got the ones by Clear Armor. It just the same ear muff and people buy them in bulk and slap their brand on it. And their rating is false. Ive owned both and Peltors block more sound yet their advertise rating is lower because its accurate. 3M's Peltors are the real deal. Nothing else like em.

Any earmuff that advertises over 33db NRR is probably bogus and exaggerating their ratings.
 
T seems a little louder today, but not outside the normal range.
I hope it settles and you feel better. Mine is up today but I worked this morning so that is probably why. I might take the day off on Monday and hopefully see if it settles.
 
Im sorry to say but this is garbage. I know this ear muff. You can find it under many different brand names on Amazon, but they are all the same. I originally got the ones by Clear Armor. It just the same ear muff and people buy them in bulk and slap their brand on it. And their rating is false. Ive owned both and Peltors block more sound yet their advertise rating is lower because its accurate. 3M's Peltors are the real deal. Nothing else like em.


Oh well, to each his own. They work for me and that's all I care about. *shrugs shoulders*
 
BTW for anyone that is interested. The Brownings do indeed meet EPA ratings for NRR, as do 3M. ANY manufacturer in the US has to affix an EPA label stating the laboratory results on the packaging.

However, I actually need two sets, one for the house/other activities and one for the workshop. Wife doesn't want me wearing dirty greasy headphones in the house. :) Just ordered a set of Peltor x5a's. I will update this thread when I get them. It will be an honest comparison...

From 3M's website:

Standard & Approval In the United States and Canada there is no approval process for hearing protection. The standards organizations ANSI and CSA do not approve or certify hearing protectors. However, a U.S. EPA requirement (40 CFR 211) specifies that hearing protectors sold in the U.S. must be tested to ANSI S3.19-1974 and labeled with a Noise Reduction Rating (NRR). 3M Hearing Protectors have been tested and labeled accordingly.
 
I hope it settles and you feel better. Mine is up today but I worked this morning so that is probably why. I might take the day off on Monday and hopefully see if it settles.

T seems a little louder today. I got good sleep last night so it isn't bothering me as much (I'm not stressed) but it does seem to be spiking a little.

I was going to try to go out to a different event tonight, but I may not just to give my ears a break.

I don't know, I've always been on the introverted side; preferring to live alone and preferring small groups and one on one conversations over big parties, but hyperacusis is turning me into a hermit.
 
BTW for anyone that is interested. The Brownings do indeed meet EPA ratings for NRR, as do 3M. ANY manufacturer in the US has to affix an EPA label stating the laboratory results on the packaging.

However, I actually need two sets, one for the house/other activities and one for the workshop. Wife doesn't want me wearing dirty greasy headphones in the house. :) Just ordered a set of Peltor x5a's. I will update this thread when I get them. It will be an honest comparison...

From 3M's website:

Standard & Approval In the United States and Canada there is no approval process for hearing protection. The standards organizations ANSI and CSA do not approve or certify hearing protectors. However, a U.S. EPA requirement (40 CFR 211) specifies that hearing protectors sold in the U.S. must be tested to ANSI S3.19-1974 and labeled with a Noise Reduction Rating (NRR). 3M Hearing Protectors have been tested and labeled accordingly.

Please do update this thread with your comparison. I'm sure you will see there is a huge difference. I just dont want people to go thru the same mistake I went thru and thinking I was well protected and ended up with further damage.

Those Brownings and the ones I once had, Clear Armor, come from the same source. Here are 6 of them on Amazon. All the same just like the Brownings. Even Amazon Basics jumped in on this. Just different color and logo change.

https://www.amazon.com/ClearArmor-141001-Shooters-Protection-Folding-Padded/dp/B00NKSMPZW/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XMY7KC2/
https://www.amazon.com/Tvoip-35dB-Highest-Safety-Muffs/dp/B07GPGH5PP/
https://www.amazon.com/Silence-industrial-shooting-protection-Lightweight/dp/B018F4FS72/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H2LCZXH/
https://www.amazon.com/Browning-12699-Hearing-Protector-HDR/
 
T seems a little louder today. I got good sleep last night so it isn't bothering me as much (I'm not stressed) but it does seem to be spiking a little.

I was going to try to go out to a different event tonight, but I may not just to give my ears a break.

I don't know, I've always been on the introverted side; preferring to live alone and preferring small groups and one on one conversations over big parties, but hyperacusis is turning me into a hermit.

Ive woken up to angry ears this morning but nothing is new. I'd say give them a break, sometimes they need it. Have you considered getting your hypercausis treated? They want me to do sound desensitization in a few weeks to see if it helps.
 
Ive woken up to angry ears this morning but nothing is new. I'd say give them a break, sometimes they need it. Have you considered getting your hypercausis treated? They want me to do sound desensitization in a few weeks to see if it helps.

I guess I'd be willing to try it, but I have my doubts about it. I tried out masking devices for about a week a couple years ago, they didn't do much for me. It does seem like it can help some people, though.

My ears are really angry today too. Actually, it's the brain buzzing that's ramped up, not the ear tones. I don't get it, but it's not fun.
 
I guess I'd be willing to try it, but I have my doubts about it. I tried out masking devices for about a week a couple years ago, they didn't do much for me. It does seem like it can help some people, though.

My ears are really angry today too. Actually, it's the brain buzzing that's ramped up, not the ear tones. I don't get it, but it's not fun.

I have my doubts about it as well, but id like to have this sensitivity disappear so i can at least have a bit of a normal life again. Maby today is just angry ear day. Mine's all electrical right now which is super annoying.
 
I have my doubts about it as well, but id like to have this sensitivity disappear so i can at least have a bit of a normal life again. Maby today is just angry ear day. Mine's all electrical right now which is super annoying.

I know what you mean by electrical. It's like an electrical storm in my head when it gets bad. I have ear tones too, but this one is in my head and not my ears.

Good luck with the treatment.
 
I know what you mean by electrical. It's like an electrical storm in my head when it gets bad. I have ear tones too, but this one is in my head and not my ears.

Good luck with the treatment.
Mine is in my ears and yes an electrical storm sounds right, it sounds metallic for me. Yikes i feel bad for you :( I have tones in one of my ears. The rest is all white noise. White noise is easier to deal with then tones honestly. I hope it feels better.

Thanks I need it.
 
Hi Alue,

I see 2 main issues here :
1/ the people around you were not aware of your condition ;
2/ you didn't leave when it started to get uncomfortable.

Can't blame you. I know it all too well and it's not easy.

1/ if you don't talk about your condition, you don't give people a chance to stay quiet. The outcome is basically totally out of your control. I understand the people at your table were not the noisy ones this time, but still.

Even if you talk about it, people forget quickly and easily. Or don't even realize they are still talking too loud, because our own voice is really hard to adjust. So, imagine if they don't know : you don't stand a chance.

Many, many people won't mind. They'll do their best, they don't want to hurt you. But they need to understand the situation.

2/ people not knowing makes it really awkward to leave if you feel like you need to leave. But you can't risk your health just because you're afraid it's rude to leave. Then again, people won't mind if you leave and they understand why. And if they mind, they are not people you will want to see again anyway.

But you, if you stay, you're alone with your pain once at home. It's not fair. You have a right to leave when you need to, so use it.

You try to socialize and it's important to try again and again. But it's not about quantity. It's about not regretting it every time. And enjoying it.

I know it's only words. But I'm just like you. Many times, I choose to suffer because I'm ashamed or because I don't want to bother people or just because I don't dare to leave or to ask them to speak softly.

I try to get better at that : me first, the rest after.

I also know that no matter what the activity is, noise can happen, spikes can happen. This morning I was hiking with a friend. He knows about my severe H and I chose the area. So, pretty secure. And still, at one point we were near a road, I didn't have my earplugs in because the whole hike was freaking quiet but at that moment, a car passed by and I didn't dare to plug my ears with my fingers. We were talking and I didn't want to look ridiculous (it was not a loud car, just a regular one). How freaking stupid is that ? I've had H since forever, and severe H since 2015. I know I don't want my T or my H to spike at the end of the day. But I still can't help it sometimes.

That being said, I would have plugged my ears if it was a really loud car. That is new, that is an improvement over some months ago. I'm more and more confident and maybe soon, I'll totally "embrace" my severe H in front of other people. No more unecessary suffering. And then I'll probably fully enjoy my attempts to socialize (I won't talk about the noises you can't expect or control, they will always be here).

I wrote all this so you know you should not give up your attempts to socialize and that there is huge room for improvement.

I'm currently picking up new sports : trail running, slacklining and rock climbing. I do it alone for now, but I feel like it will make me meet new people, some of them maybe like-minded and quiet.

I can't ride my mountain bike anymore (the wind noise is too much, or just the noise of tyres on rocks), I can't fly a paraglider anymore (wind noise). But I still love outdoors and sports so I try to remain creative. I'm really often in pain. Almost every time I leave my quiet flat, actually. No matter what I do or how I do it (I have earplugs, Bose QC, Peltors and so on). But some things still give me happiness out there so I keep trying.

It's exhausting. This is what life with extreme H and T (and hearing loss) is for us : exhausting. But probably worth it anyway.
 
Hi Alue,

I see 2 main issues here :
1/ the people around you were not aware of your condition ;
2/ you didn't leave when it started to get uncomfortable.

Can't blame you. I know it all too well and it's not easy.

1/ if you don't talk about your condition, you don't give people a chance to stay quiet. The outcome is basically totally out of your control. I understand the people at your table were not the noisy ones this time, but still.

Even if you talk about it, people forget quickly and easily. Or don't even realize they are still talking too loud, because our own voice is really hard to adjust. So, imagine if they don't know : you don't stand a chance.

Many, many people won't mind. They'll do their best, they don't want to hurt you. But they need to understand the situation.

2/ people not knowing makes it really awkward to leave if you feel like you need to leave. But you can't risk your health just because you're afraid it's rude to leave. Then again, people won't mind if you leave and they understand why. And if they mind, they are not people you will want to see again anyway.

But you, if you stay, you're alone with your pain once at home. It's not fair. You have a right to leave when you need to, so use it.

You try to socialize and it's important to try again and again. But it's not about quantity. It's about not regretting it every time. And enjoying it.

I know it's only words. But I'm just like you. Many times, I choose to suffer because I'm ashamed or because I don't want to bother people or just because I don't dare to leave or to ask them to speak softly.

I try to get better at that : me first, the rest after.

I also know that no matter what the activity is, noise can happen, spikes can happen. This morning I was hiking with a friend. He knows about my severe H and I chose the area. So, pretty secure. And still, at one point we were near a road, I didn't have my earplugs in because the whole hike was freaking quiet but at that moment, a car passed by and I didn't dare to plug my ears with my fingers. We were talking and I didn't want to look ridiculous (it was not a loud car, just a regular one). How freaking stupid is that ? I've had H since forever, and severe H since 2015. I know I don't want my T or my H to spike at the end of the day. But I still can't help it sometimes.

That being said, I would have plugged my ears if it was a really loud car. That is new, that is an improvement over some months ago. I'm more and more confident and maybe soon, I'll totally "embrace" my severe H in front of other people. No more unecessary suffering. And then I'll probably fully enjoy my attempts to socialize (I won't talk about the noises you can't expect or control, they will always be here).

I wrote all this so you know you should not give up your attempts to socialize and that there is huge room for improvement.

I'm currently picking up new sports : trail running, slacklining and rock climbing. I do it alone for now, but I feel like it will make me meet new people, some of them maybe like-minded and quiet.

I can't ride my mountain bike anymore (the wind noise is too much, or just the noise of tyres on rocks), I can't fly a paraglider anymore (wind noise). But I still love outdoors and sports so I try to remain creative. I'm really often in pain. Almost every time I leave my quiet flat, actually. No matter what I do or how I do it (I have earplugs, Bose QC, Peltors and so on). But some things still give me happiness out there so I keep trying.

It's exhausting. This is what life with extreme H and T (and hearing loss) is for us : exhausting. But probably worth it anyway.

Thanks for this. It sounds like your hyperacusis is even worse than mine. How did you go about making friends with hyperacusis, or were they friends before you got hyperacusis? I used to have a good group of friends, but we all drifted apart as we got older. The problem is, there are very limited options to meet new people that don't involve the possibility of loud situations.

That's sad you can't mountain bike anymore. That's one thing I used to enjoy in the past and have been thinking about getting back into. Do earplugs or earmuffs (or just ear covers) cut back on the wind noise?
 
I have severe H, severe T and hearing loss (up to 70dB in the highs, so my H is partly recruitment), but I don't know if it's worse, we are all so different.

Anyway, I didn't make new friends recently. Basically, 2 friends of mine are still here. I met them a long time ago. I see them quite often, that's wonderful. They still appreciate me as I am now. That's just 2 people (+ my family) but again, it's not about quantity. And I'm sure I will meet new people thanks to my projects and hobbys.

Oh, and I have a lovely cat, it helps a lot when you feel lonely. But I know your frequent trips would make it impossible.

To be honest, I still own a mountain bike and I can still ride it a bit (on soft grounds, 1 or 2 hours max) with foam earplugs in. But I get no joy in doing so. It's like I'm disconnected from the surroundings. Mountain biking was all about having fun with many friends and riding long distances all day long. So I prefer to engage in new activities now. Trail running, for instance, is very fun and I can manage without earplugs most of the time.

Wind noise is really tricky, even with earplugs + earmuffs. I'm currently trying to design a very efficient helmet to resume paragliding.
 
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I have severe H, severe T and hearing loss (up to 70dB in the highs, so my H is partly recruitment), but I don't know if it's worse, we are all so different.

Anyway, I didn't make new friends recently. Basically, 2 friends of mine are still here. I met them a long time ago. I see them quite often, that's wonderful. They still appreciate me as I am now. That's just 2 people (+ my family) but again, it's not about quantity. And I'm sure I will meet new people thanks to my projects and hobbys.

Oh, and I have a lovely cat, it helps a lot when you feel lonely. But I know your frequent trips would make it impossible.

To be honest, I still own a mountain bike and I can still ride it a bit (on soft grounds, 1 or 2 hours max) with foam earplugs in. But I get no joy in doing so. It's like I'm disconnected from the surroundings. Mountain biking was all about having fun with many friends and riding long distances all day long. So I prefer to engagne in new activities now. Trail running, for instance, is very fun and I can manage without earplugs most of the time.

Wind noise is really tricky, even with earplugs + earmuffs. I'm currently trying to design a very efficient helmet to resume paragliding.

Man, I know what you mean. This condition is isolating.

I have also lost hearing and this is now my biggest concern, whether hearing loss is going to progress or stop.

How do you manage with hearing loss? Does it have a big impact understanding others?
 
Yes, isolating, that's the main issue.

Hearing loss is never going to get better. So that's our starting point. Over the last year, mine went a little bit worse, even though I'm obviously very careful. But I can't do much about it so…

I got hearing aids recently. It's supposed to help with hyperacusis mainly (if the brains gets new signals, maybe H will get better). They are set at very soft levels for now. But it only makes things worse, even though I wear them just a few hours a day :wacky:

I'm starting to struggle to understand others...
 
Yes, isolating, that's the main issue.

Hearing loss is never going to get better. So that's our starting point. Over the last year, mine went a little bit worse, even though I'm obviously very careful. But I can't do much about it so…

I got hearing aids recently. It's supposed to help with hyperacusis mainly (if the brains gets new signals, maybe H will get better). They are set at very soft levels for now. But it only makes things worse, even though I wear them just a few hours a day :wacky:

I'm starting to struggle to understand others...

It seems in the long run some people lost their hearing due to hyperacusis etc In my case, it seems to be the trend, towards losing hearing. A few days ago I received a message from another hyperacusis sufferer, like 10 years into H. We had not talk in a long time, and his hearing is gone in one ear, and the other is almost done too. So I am more or less working with this scenario, one has to be realistic, sadly.
 
Nothing really, but when you have a group meetup that specifies 60+ it kind of excludes people that are younger than that. I'm in my 30's.

Can you start your own 30 something group for hiking outings?
 
Well the tone in my right ear just ramped way up today. Don't know if it's lack of sleep, stress, or sound exposure. :(
 
It seems in the long run some people lost their hearing due to hyperacusis etc In my case, it seems to be the trend, towards losing hearing. A few days ago I received a message from another hyperacusis sufferer, like 10 years into H. We had not talk in a long time, and his hearing is gone in one ear, and the other is almost done too. So I am more or less working with this scenario, one has to be realistic, sadly.

Interesting. Maybe a lot of cases of hyperacusis are caused by already damaged nerves that are just much more fragile than normal. It's like our ears are telling us 'I'm damaged... this is not safe anymore'.

You are losing your hearing too?
 
People with tinnitus, even without hearing loss, in 45% will present hearing loss over time, in one scientific work was on average three and a half years. The loss was moderate, bilateral and in high frequencies.
 
People with tinnitus, even without hearing loss, in 45% will present hearing loss over time, in one scientific work was on average three and a half years. The loss was moderate, bilateral and in high frequencies.
Do you have a link to the study?
 
Interesting. Maybe a lot of cases of hyperacusis are caused by already damaged nerves that are just much more fragile than normal. It's like our ears are telling us 'I'm damaged... this is not safe anymore'.

You are losing your hearing too?

Yeah, I am losing hearing, mainly due to very loud impulse noises. Medium noises can make you feel real bad but they are not so dangerous as they seem. However, sounds over 90 dbs, specially sudden sounds, are dangerous, and it is jus impossible to avoid them, they just happen.
 
BTW for anyone that is interested. The Brownings do indeed meet EPA ratings for NRR, as do 3M. ANY manufacturer in the US has to affix an EPA label stating the laboratory results on the packaging.

However, I actually need two sets, one for the house/other activities and one for the workshop. Wife doesn't want me wearing dirty greasy headphones in the house. :) Just ordered a set of Peltor x5a's. I will update this thread when I get them. It will be an honest comparison...

From 3M's website:

Standard & Approval In the United States and Canada there is no approval process for hearing protection. The standards organizations ANSI and CSA do not approve or certify hearing protectors. However, a U.S. EPA requirement (40 CFR 211) specifies that hearing protectors sold in the U.S. must be tested to ANSI S3.19-1974 and labeled with a Noise Reduction Rating (NRR). 3M Hearing Protectors have been tested and labeled accordingly.

Okay, got the Peltor's today. I notice no difference between them and the Brownings. One will be relegated to the garage, probably the Brownings, and the other set (Peltor) will be kept in the house and used out in public. Now to find a set of noise cancelling earplugs for the Harley. :)
 
Yes, isolating, that's the main issue.

Hearing loss is never going to get better. So that's our starting point. Over the last year, mine went a little bit worse, even though I'm obviously very careful. But I can't do much about it so…

I got hearing aids recently. It's supposed to help with hyperacusis mainly (if the brains gets new signals, maybe H will get better). They are set at very soft levels for now. But it only makes things worse, even though I wear them just a few hours a day :wacky:

I'm starting to struggle to understand others...

How are you doing with the hearing aids? Do you still have or notice hyperacusis / recruitment?

Hearing loss is just baffling. I mean, if I drop something, in my ears it sounds really loud. However, now I am typing and although I hear the sound, it is not the right pitch. I can hear the noise of a clock in the background, just imagine! However I cannot understand well speech in noise, and sometimes people talk to me and it is like I have to concentrate really hard to get what they are saying. It all depends on background noise and the pitch of each voice.

Also, the background noise all merges, it is like "blurred sound", all mixed together. Like the bla bla bla sound in films, where you can hear nothing distinctive, only a boring noise.

Those are some of the reasons why audiometric tests, as commonly carried out today, are just useless. They do not measure speech in noise. Even the test for speech in noise is kind of artificial.
 
The hearing aids just make things worse for now. Yes I still have severe H & recruitment.

I get what you mean. All I hear is just high and painful volume + low quality...
 

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