I Invented a Sound That Knocked Out My Tinnitus

[animus]

1. It doesn't really make sense for damage induced hearing loss and tinnitus, to me at least.
2. It is weird that he posts images of text messages and hand written letters from adults and children and like none of these people have accounts here themselves.
3. He also seems to have nothing to gain here.
4. He is giving away the sound file for free.
5. He seems very adamant.
6. The first MuteButton was sorta like this, right?

The only thing that I can think of that would make him a fraud with something to gain would be if he is from Koss and trying to sell headphones. Otherwise, there is no other rational explanation for his efforts, other than mental illness.

I'm still on the fence about this. Maybe these sounds just light up the auditory system in a way that induces regeneration????????? This is the most oddball thing on this website next to eating raw sea anemone but I'm not totally ready to dismiss it.

Koss may be in a desperate shape these days compared to their heyday but I highly doubt they're ready to have pseudoscientific con artists shill for them on niche tinnitus forums.

It's very likely mental illness, there are lots of very sick, schizophrenic/schizoid people out there that have these kinds of hero/god complexes. Look up Terry A Davis, that's a person that actually had schizophrenia and believed God was talking to him so he wrote an operating system from the ground up (which by the way is an incredible feat, far more than doctoring some testimonies) to the voice in his head's specifications. I'm convinced that our dear friend is likely an older man, a baby boomer, who is a little bit off his rocker from a couple too many government conspiracies and thinks he can cut off the government 5gHz tinnitus waves not with tinfoil hats but with his special concoction, an hour plus of randomized noise.

No known magical sound wave exists that "regenerates the auditory system". That's science fiction until R. David Case or any other snake oil peddler can put together a legitimate, peer reviewed, repeatable study with a massive sample size (several thousand people at minimum) that has verifiable data that proves otherwise. I will eagerly await the day that happens. Until then this man exists as laughing fodder, just yet another wonder of the world that the far reaching light of the Internet has uncovered from its once dark, dank hiding place.

 

[RaZaH]

because he fried two 555 timers and recorded them dying.

Lol, that is funny.
I don't think that David is being malicious , I think he really believes that this works.
I just wish he would be more open to the facts and the science.

 

[JohnAdams]

Belief in government conspiracies

Right, governments always tell the truth and never commit crimes.

 

[animus]

Lol, that is funny.
I don't think that David is being malicious , I think he really believes that this works.
I just wish he would be more open to the facts and the science.

I don't read any malice in his posts either. I think it's a case of a mentally sick person trying to convince other people to his world view, ala Gene Ray and his Time Cube ideology.

Right, governments always tell the truth and never commit crimes.

Who are you referencing? I'm pointing out that if you believe that the government (not any government in particular, just THE government) invented tinnitus and that they control it via some sort of radio wave feedback loop system you may be a little bit loony. I don't see how those two statements contradict at all.

 

[JohnAdams]

That's science fiction until R. David Case or any other snake oil peddler can put together a legitimate, peer reviewed, repeatable study with a massive sample size (several thousand people at minimum) that has verifiable data that proves otherwise.

That is a fallacy. Something does not need to be proven with such a study in order to exist. It needs that to get legitimate recognition from the scientific community, the government, and the public.

 

[animus]

That is a fallacy. Something does not need to be proven with such a study in order to exist.

You're right, it needs to be universally recognized by the scientific community and then in turn the rest of the general public in order to be verifiably proven as consensus. And how does one go about doing that? Oh right, with what I just described, a repeatable, reliable study that is done on a large diverse sample group and has a large range of variables and control factors taken into account.

 

[JohnAdams]

I'm pointing out that if you believe that the government invented tinnitus and that they control it via some sort of radio wave feedback loop system you may be a little bit loony.

The government surely didn't invent tinnitus but what about that Cuban embassy thing?
But it would be very weird to suspect that the government is giving random people tinnitus using HAARP, or signal intelligence, or something else. I don't see how radio waves could damage the auditory system anyway unless they were microwaves and that would be hard to target just the auditory system with and would cause burns on the skin first anyway.

 

[JohnAdams]

And how does one go about doing that?

Lots of cashola.

 

[animus]

The government surely didn't invent tinnitus but what about that Cuban embassy thing?
But it would be very weird to suspect that the government is giving random people tinnitus using HAARP, or signal intelligence, or something else. I don't see how radio waves could damage the auditory system anyway unless they were microwaves and that would be hard to target just the auditory system with and would cause burns on the skin first anyway.

What about an unrelated historical event that really has no impact on this conversation or modern events in general? What about it? Why should I care? It doesn't matter. What I care about is that our dear friend is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that the government invented and inflicts tinnitus on the general population and as far as I'm concerned that's a big red flag that someone's not alright up there.

Lots of cashola.

And I suppose you think that cash just magically flies around and makes something known consensus. Come on now, don't be so naive. As much as there may be corruption in the government and scientific communities you know damn well there's a lot more to it than that.

 

[JohnAdams]

What about an unrelated historical event that really has no impact on this conversation or modern events in general? What about it? Why should I care? It doesn't matter. What I care about is that our dear friend is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that the government invented and inflicts tinnitus on the general population and as far as I'm concerned that's a big red flag that someone's not alright up there.


And I suppose you think that cash just magically flies around and makes something known consensus. Come on now, don't be so naive. As much as there may be corruption in the government and scientific communities you know damn well there's a lot more to it than that.

Yeah maybe not. At least he isn't part of a big corporation that's selling "Ring Relief" at drug stores and making a flipp'in fortune off of it. Also, he isn't using his influence to proclaim that people that don't habituate is because they aren't thinking about it right. We share this world with many weird people and he really doesn't seem like he is taking advantage of anyone or being malicious so it doesn't really bother me too much, not to the point of lashing out.

 

[RaZaH]

Still, it's similar methodology, if you are not getting results, you are using the wrong headphones.
Or you fall into the, what looks like a made up statistic of 50% of people it does not work for, for some reason.
It's backed up by essentially nothing followed by a heap of pseudoscience.

I honestly don't see much of a difference between this and all the other fake cures, except for the money, and people can seek gratification in other things than money.

Also, this might even be harmful to your ears and hearing, how would we know?

 

[JohnAdams]

Also, this might even be harmful to your ears and hearing

That's been my primary concern.

 

[animus]

Yeah maybe not. At least he isn't part of a big corporation that's selling "Ring Relief" at drug stores and making a flipp'in fortune off of it. Also, he isn't using his influence to proclaim that people that don't habituate is because they aren't thinking about it right. We share this world with many weird people and he really doesn't seem like he is taking advantage of anyone or being malicious so it doesn't really bother me too much, not to the point of lashing out.

The thing that really annoys me is how insanely reliant this guy is on his confirmation bias and groupthink. This is the kind of mentality that leads to cults like gangstalking and whatnot. It's harsh and yes the guy is likely not a maliciously motivated scammer but someone has to point out how everything he has said is completely nonsensical and relies on his confirmation bias to "prove".

Still, it's similar methodology, if you are not getting results, you are using the wrong headphones.
Or you fall into the, what looks like a made up statistic of 50% of people it does not work for, for some reason.
It's backed up by essentially nothing followed by a heap of pseudoscience.

I honestly don't see much of a difference between this and all the other fake cures, except for the money, and people can seek gratification in other things than money.

Also, this might even be harmful to your ears and hearing, how would we know?

I doubt it's harmful for your hearing as long as the actual dB level isn't 80+ (the standard harmful ranges for volume) but it's still insane that people are subjecting themselves to the auditorial equivalent of eating dog shit to cure hepatitis. It really is some nonsense snake oil stuff.

 

[JohnAdams]

The thing that really annoys me is how insanely reliant this guy is on his confirmation bias and groupthink. This is the kind of mentality that leads to cults like gangstalking and whatnot. It's harsh and yes the guy is likely not a maliciously motivated scammer but someone has to point out how everything he has said is completely nonsensical and relies on his confirmation bias to "prove".

I doubt it's harmful for your hearing as long as the actual dB level isn't 80+ (the standard harmful ranges for volume) but it's still insane that people are subjecting themselves to the auditorial equivalent of eating dog shit to cure hepatitis. It really is some nonsense snake oil stuff.

There are bigger fish to fry.

 

[Mathieulh]

The thing that really annoys me is how insanely reliant this guy is on his confirmation bias and groupthink. This is the kind of mentality that leads to cults like gangstalking and whatnot. It's harsh and yes the guy is likely not a maliciously motivated scammer but someone has to point out how everything he has said is completely nonsensical and relies on his confirmation bias to "prove".

I doubt it's harmful for your hearing as long as the actual dB level isn't 80+ (the standard harmful ranges for volume) but it's still insane that people are subjecting themselves to the auditorial equivalent of eating dog shit to cure hepatitis. It really is some nonsense snake oil stuff.

It would actually be harmful post trauma to expose yourself, for days/weeks the whole night, of listening to headphones, even at low volume. Chronic headphones exposure is likely to cause further damage to your auditory system. If it was harmless, I would have attempted this myself, if only for the placebo effect (not likely to work though, because I know the science behind this is dubious at best, but if there'd been no harm, why not?)

 

[R. David Case]

Just because this kind of actual denial of science and confirmation bias entertain me I'm going to do a very concise breakdown on exactly why our friend R. David Case here is wrong.

Fun fact: When Koss (or any other company) list their product's frequency response range as, say, 10 Hz - 24000 Hz, it means that there is a major rolloff at the ends of these frequencies (that is, the SPL from say, 40 Hz down to 10hz gets quieter very rapidly) that's hidden in the fine print. More likely than not, the Koss rolls off starting at 10khz (most transducers, especially small ones, do) and by the time you reach 20 kHz it's practically inaudible, assuming you can even hear 20 kHz. At 24 kHz? Probably has an amplitude of less than 1dB.

Any spikes that extend beyond 20 kHz are extremely visible even in the full view of the entire file's spectrum, like the 3 or so in the first section that last a fraction of a second long. You're just telling the world how much you don't know about Adobe Audition, an industry standard audio analysis program.

Which isn't present in your file anyways since the sample rate is 44.1 kHz.

Are you sure about that? Would you like to test that theory? I'll do you one better and prove to you that my software can detect audio up to 96 kHz.
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Here is a spectrogram of a 24bit/192 kHz copy of John Coltrane's Blue Train. Notice how it is capable of displaying frequencies above and beyond 80 kHz, all the way up to the Nyquist sample rate of 96khz. If I inputted a 384 kHz file it would show me frequencies up to the limit of 192 kHz. If I inputted a 768 kHz file it would show me audio at 384 kHz, well above the hearing of most living organisms. What does this mean? It means you're full of shit.

Tell me more about these cycles, chief. Cycles of what, big guy? Since you seem to pride yourself on engineering genius I'm sure you can educate us philistines using technical terminology and not just vague tomfoolery.

Please, tell me more about how universally acclaimed industry standard software is "not enough" to handle your amazing cure all file. Please tell me more about how objective data is wrong because it doesn't prove you right.

Well known by who? Are there peer reviewed studies and published papers on this? Show me some scientific journals proving this. That is, if you have any, and aren't just peddling around your homeopathic bullshit cures as usual.

To summarize, R. David Case has displayed:

• A severe lack of knowledge on how sample rates work, what the Nyquist frequency is, and why his audio file does not contain ultrasonic data.
• A severe if not nonexistent lack of knowledge on how transducers and audio hardware work.
• Consistent advertising of a specific Koss headphone that's incredibly unnecessary and contradictory for his supposed ultrasonic uses.
• Consistent denial of any objective data shown to him that contradicts what he peddles as a guaranteed cure all for tinnitus.
• Use of testimonials as empirical evidence. I wonder if I compiled screenshots and handwritten letters (Doctored or not, who knows? As far as anyone here should be concerned the legitimacy of any of these testimonials should be in around the same area as the mortality of Schrödinger's Cat.) of people claiming that R. David Case raped them, would he consider himself a rapist and hand himself over to law enforcement?
• Belief in government conspiracies and other dubious and questionable opinions that delegitimize his already highly unscientific work.
• A strong confirmation bias, in which anything which may tangentially relate to his work automatically proves it right. Some obscure questionable neuroscientific article about brain waves in sleep? Must be empirical evidence.
• A god complex/savior complex/cult leader like behavior, in which he is the savior of all tinnitus sufferers because he fried two 555 timers and recorded them dying.

One wonders, with all this plainly in sight, why should anyone, anyone, believe a word of this con artist, malicious or not?

What is your motive in trying to stop me from giving free help to the members of Tinnitus Talk? This works and hundreds around the world have testified to it. You cannot stop me from helping people.

 

[R. David Case]

The thing that really annoys me is how insanely reliant this guy is on his confirmation bias and groupthink. This is the kind of mentality that leads to cults like gangstalking and whatnot. It's harsh and yes the guy is likely not a maliciously motivated scammer but someone has to point out how everything he has said is completely nonsensical and relies on his confirmation bias to "prove".

I doubt it's harmful for your hearing as long as the actual dB level isn't 80+ (the standard harmful ranges for volume) but it's still insane that people are subjecting themselves to the auditorial equivalent of eating dog shit to cure hepatitis. It really is some nonsense snake oil stuff.

This works and hundreds around the world have got their lives back , that's ALL THAT COUNTS in my book. What is your motive for trying to stop me from providing free help to the members of Tinnitus Talk?

 

[R. David Case]

The "mix" is distributed on a CD (or wav file), which is sampled at 44.1 kHz. I wouldn't be too hopeful to find much energy above 22.05 kHz in that sound, no matter how high you sample it.

The sound file works best on the Koss KTX-PRO1, any and all high frequencies should be allowed to pass through is the idea of using high frequency headphones, very simple concept, the more highs that make it to the ear the faster Tinnitus Mix works.

 

[R. David Case]

1. It doesn't really make sense for damage induced hearing loss and tinnitus, to me at least.
2. It is weird that he posts images of text messages and hand written letters from adults and children and like none of these people have accounts here themselves.
3. He also seems to have nothing to gain here.
4. He is giving away the sound file for free.
5. He seems very adamant.
6. The first MuteButton was sorta like this, right?

The only thing that I can think of that would make him a fraud with something to gain would be if he is from Koss and trying to sell headphones. Otherwise, there is no other rational explanation for his efforts, other than mental illness.

I'm still on the fence about this. Maybe these sounds just light up the auditory system in a way that induces regeneration????????? This is the most oddball thing on this website next to eating raw sea anemone but I'm not totally ready to dismiss it.

Many people report IMPROVED HEARING and this DOES NOT damage hearing. Read the following.

 

[R. David Case]

If you think testimonials from randos is empirical undeniable evidence then I have a bridge to sell you.

Dude, the "app" you are talking about is a professional audio software for analyzing audio files. You're telling me Adobe Audition, used by professionals around the world to analyze audio spectrograms and to mix down quadrophonic and stereo channels is not good enough to read your magical cure-all file. You're delusional. Your audio file does not sample a single frequency above 22.05 kHz, and it contains absolutely no data above 20 kHz. You are a fool who denies hard objective fact and should feel bad about calling yourself any sort of engineer. You're just a bad liar.


A court of law would laugh your pseudoscientific ass out of the courtroom. You exist on about the same plane as flat earthers and antivaxxers. You deny science and seek circlejerks and ingroups to confirm your biases. You don't care about seeking objective truth, you care about proving yourself right. And that's what separates you from actual scientific research.

 

[R. David Case]

Koss may be in a desperate shape these days compared to their heyday but I highly doubt they're ready to have pseudoscientific con artists shill for them on niche tinnitus forums.

It's very likely mental illness, there are lots of very sick, schizophrenic/schizoid people out there that have these kinds of hero/god complexes. Look up Terry A Davis, that's a person that actually had schizophrenia and believed God was talking to him so he wrote an operating system from the ground up (which by the way is an incredible feat, far more than doctoring some testimonies) to the voice in his head's specifications. I'm convinced that our dear friend is likely an older man, a baby boomer, who is a little bit off his rocker from a couple too many government conspiracies and thinks he can cut off the government 5gHz tinnitus waves not with tinfoil hats but with his special concoction, an hour plus of randomized noise.

No known magical sound wave exists that "regenerates the auditory system". That's science fiction until R. David Case or any other snake oil peddler can put together a legitimate, peer reviewed, repeatable study with a massive sample size (several thousand people at minimum) that has verifiable data that proves otherwise. I will eagerly await the day that happens. Until then this man exists as laughing fodder, just yet another wonder of the world that the far reaching light of the Internet has uncovered from its once dark, dank hiding place.

Wow, you're really pissed that this Tinnitus Mix works... lol its always amazing how many come out of the wood work to try to stop me from helping people for free. This works and I am in the right to help as many as I can.

 

[R. David Case]

Lol, that is funny.
I don't think that David is being malicious , I think he really believes that this works.
I just wish he would be more open to the facts and the science.

Yes I believe it works, after 18 years I KNOW it works for about half that try it. I have been tinnitus free for 18 years ONLY because of Tinnitus Mix. I invented the device that made the sounds of Tinnitus Mix by accident, It has never existed before, the sounds knocked out my tinnitus so I spent $3000 giving it away to prove it works. It has helped hundreds around the world to stop tinnitus or greatly reduce it. It has stopped the hearing of clicking sounds also. It has an effect on brain waves to promote sleep. I am trying to reverse engineer it to figure out how it works. All statements on how it works are my best deductions that I I have to work with are from my background as an electronic engineer and inventor.

 

[R. David Case]

It would actually be harmful post trauma to expose yourself, for days/weeks the whole night, of listening to headphones, even at low volume. Chronic headphones exposure is likely to cause further damage to your auditory system. If it was harmless, I would have attempted this myself, if only for the placebo effect (not likely to work though, because I know the science behind this is dubious at best, but if there'd been no harm, why not?)

I know common knowledge is to never use headphones, many who got good results were fearful of that. But this is not heavy metal music and it HELPS improve hearing.

 

[animus]

It would actually be harmful post trauma to expose yourself, for days/weeks the whole night, of listening to headphones, even at low volume. Chronic headphones exposure is likely to cause further damage to your auditory system. If it was harmless, I would have attempted this myself, if only for the placebo effect (not likely to work though, because I know the science behind this is dubious at best, but if there'd been no harm, why not?)

Chronic headphone exposure is no more likely to damage your cochlea as any other sound at the same decibel level. Your ear cannot differentiate between sound from a transducer next to it and sound from a transducer 10 feet away from a car on the other side of the road. What matters is the SPL.

What is your motive in trying to stop me from giving free help to the members of Tinnitus Talk? This works and hundreds around the world have testified to it. You cannot stop me from helping people.

I have several motives:
1. As an amateur audio engineer who sees blatant falsehoods and pseudoscience being spread
2. As a tinnitus sufferer seeing snake oil get peddled around to unfortunately gullible people
3. As someone with an interest in exceptional individuals on the internet
All you know how to do is repeat yourself, on loop, for hundreds and hundreds of posts. I wouldn't even be surprised if you were a bot.

This works and hundreds around the world have got their lives back , that's ALL THAT COUNTS in my book. What is your motive for trying to stop me from providing free help to the members of Tinnitus Talk?

You keep repeating this line about these hundreds of people. How are you tallying them? Do you have an excel spreadsheet or any other form of documentation indicating exactly who you've "cured" and, where, when, over how long a period of time, etc.? Or are you just spitting conjecture out your ass as always?

Many people report IMPROVED HEARING and this DOES NOT damage hearing. Read the following.

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You have yet to prove that this isn't placebo and that this procedure objectively changes anyone's tinnitus condition, nevermind their actual hearing capabilities, jesus. You know, for someone who's claimed to have been at it for, what, 18ish years? I'm really surprised you've never even done an amateur case study on a hearing test before and after exposure to your Bandcamp noise album.

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All meaningless trite. Maybe I should really go through with that rape testimonial thing I mentioned earlier.

 

[R. David Case]

There are bigger fish to fry.

Yea, that's what most people think, it's about helping people here on Tinnitus Talk. That's why many are here, I am here ONLY because I thought Tinnitus Talk was the place to bring FREE help to people for tinnitus relief. Sorry I picked the wrong group.

 

[R. David Case]

The government surely didn't invent tinnitus but what about that Cuban embassy thing?
But it would be very weird to suspect that the government is giving random people tinnitus using HAARP, or signal intelligence, or something else. I don't see how radio waves could damage the auditory system anyway unless they were microwaves and that would be hard to target just the auditory system with and would cause burns on the skin first anyway.

No actually low power can affect D.N.A. and cell phone waves UNWIND D.N.A. but I don't want to change the subject from tinnitus.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Within one interview article, an investigative reporter gives his email. If you were to contact him, he would tell you a lot and including the reasons behind why one set of headphones from one company are recommended - $.

 

[Tom Cnyc]

Chronic headphone exposure is no more likely to damage your cochlea as any other sound at the same decibel level. Your ear cannot differentiate between sound from a transducer next to it and sound from a transducer 10 feet away from a car on the other side of the road. What matters is the SPL.

I have several motives:
1. As an amateur audio engineer who sees blatant falsehoods and pseudoscience being spread
2. As a tinnitus sufferer seeing snake oil get peddled around to unfortunately gullible people
3. As someone with an interest in exceptional individuals on the internet
All you know how to do is repeat yourself, on loop, for hundreds and hundreds of posts. I wouldn't even be surprised if you were a bot.

You keep repeating this line about these hundreds of people. How are you tallying them? Do you have an excel spreadsheet or any other form of documentation indicating exactly who you've "cured" and, where, when, over how long a period of time, etc.? Or are you just spitting conjecture out your ass as always?

You have yet to prove that this isn't placebo and that this procedure objectively changes anyone's tinnitus condition, nevermind their actual hearing capabilities, jesus. You know, for someone who's claimed to have been at it for, what, 18ish years? I'm really surprised you've never even done an amateur case study on a hearing test before and after exposure to your Bandcamp noise album.

All meaningless trite. Maybe I should really go through with that rape testimonial thing I mentioned earlier.

Are you Animus, the NYC DJ?

 

[RaZaH]

Within one interview article, an investigative reporter gives his email. If you were to contact him, he would tell you a lot and including the reasons behind why one set of headphones from one company are recommended - $.

Not sure what any of that means?

 

[RaZaH]

To be honest, I want it to work, I even thought about offering to make this an Android/Apple app, with looping and finetuned volume capabilities.

I just wanted to wait and see, that is why I joined the Facebook group where it was supposed to be put to the test.
Then as it turns out there is no real rhyme or reason behind that "test" and we get bombarded by these anecdotes whenever we question anything.

I tried this myself for a almost 2 weeks, did nothing for me personally but I was not convinced it did not help anyone.
I just wish this was tested in a proper way, I would not want to be involved in making an app that has nothing but anecdotes to back it up.

This is one of the reasons I get very frustrated by this whole thing.