Is It Better to Suffer Tinnitus Now Than It Was 2,000 Years Ago?

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This isn't a sarcastic question this time. I was actually curious. Would having tinnitus today be equally as terrible in terms of treatments as 2,000 years ago? I did a lot of thinking and research. The final answers I came up with were somehow all three. We're better off now, we're not really better off, and we're actually worse off.

How were better off is in understanding of tinnitus. Scientifically we've made great strides in neurology. We're much closer to a cure, but considering that "everyday we technically get closer", that's not saying much. Unlike ancient Greeks with tinnitus, people alive today have a very real chance of seeing a cure. We have a very real chance of a treatment for some or most sufferers as early as 2020; And that's great.

Where we're no better off is with treatments we DO have. Or More specifically, the fact there aren't any. There's absolutely nothing for tinnitus, and there's hasn't been a single advance in tinnitus treatment options pretty much ever. In Ancient Greece, a man named Hippocrates said that the best treatment for tinnitus was to "cover it with a louder external sound". 2,400 years later, were absolutely no better off.

Now sadly, where we actually regressed is socially. A long time ago, sufferers realized how terrible tinnitus was. Martin Luther, Charles Darwin, Beethoven, and Schopenhauer are just a few famous examples. Their quotes on the subject fall on the lines of "well this is awful" not "oh you get used to it hur dur". I guarantee you, if Pawel Jastreboff existed back then and spread his poison, these guys would have told him exactly where he could shove it. I might make a seperate post explaining the devolution because as a sociology lover, I find things like this fascinating. We're adapting to fit a changed social climate. The tinnitus community isn't the only one to do this, it's just an example I'm not trying to put us on blast. It still sucks though.

So would we be better off from 2,000 years ago? I guess the only real answer is "in what way"?
 
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I would have rather suffer 2000 yrs ago. Jesus was here on earth, I could have ran into him , get cured. Right now there is nothing to help.
 
2000 years ago...

No powertools, no concerts, no earphones and smartphones, no cinemas, no loud commuting to stressy jobs...

What tinnitus? :)

If tinnitus would have been common the last few million years or so... we would have been able to regenerate our hearing like dinosaurs... I mean birds ;-)

Even the gladiator fights in the colloseum where not as loud as a rock concert ;-)
 
2500 years before in ancient Greece they had power tools (they built parthenon with that and numerous monuments).
My audiologist say me that in ancient Greece tinnitus was a big problem and in any village there is
a man that with his instruments and his voice to do residual inhibition in tinnitus sufferers.
Also many drugs were given for tinnitus for sleep/relax etc.
 
Susan Shores device and Frequency and the few other bio tech firms focusing on cochlear hair cell regeneration should have an effect on tinnitus so stop saying nothing is being done @threefirefour

Advancements are being made (atleast for those with sensorineural hearing loss induced T)
and yeah I know tinnitus is a neurological issue not an ear one, but the neurological changes in the brain happen because of hearing loss. It's foolish to assume that restoring the hearing would not unwire the faulty neuro-plasticity.
 
Susan Shores device and Frequency and the few other bio tech firms focusing on cochlear hair cell regeneration should have an effect on tinnitus so stop saying nothing is being done @threefirefour

Advancements are being made (atleast for those with sensorineural hearing loss induced T)
and yeah I know tinnitus is a neurological issue not an ear one, but the neurological changes in the brain happen because of hearing loss. It's foolish to assume that restoring the hearing would not unwire the faulty neuro-plasticity.
Of course something is being done. I outlined my first body paragraph saying that we're much better off in understanding, and we're getting closer to treatments.
 
2000 years ago...

No powertools, no concerts, no earphones and smartphones, no cinemas, no loud commuting to stressy jobs...

What tinnitus? :)

If tinnitus would have been common the last few million years or so... we would have been able to regenerate our hearing like dinosaurs... I mean birds ;-)

Even the gladiator fights in the colloseum where not as loud as a rock concert ;-)

It is a misconception that the world was not noisy in ancient times , Roman cities could be extremely noisy for example , Medieval cities as well , some professions in ancient times included being exposed to extremely loud sounds day in and day out , like blacksmits for example, tinnitus and hearing loss has been around for as long as man exists, don't forget you can get hearing loss from infections and viruses just as easily, and those where rampant in ancient times.

But to be honest I think people did not suffer that much from it as we do today, life often was hard , cruel and short , they probably blamed some of the gods and went along with their day.
 
2500 years before in ancient Greece they had power tools (they built parthenon with that and numerous monuments).
My audiologist say me that in ancient Greece tinnitus was a big problem and in any village there is
a man that with his instruments and his voice to do residual inhibition in tinnitus sufferers.
Also many drugs were given for tinnitus for sleep/relax etc.
Wow we really haven't changed at all :(
 
There are methods to partly resolve physical cervical and facial tinnitus, but treatment can be long term and pinpointing one's exact issues could be problematic. One of best general sources that I have found to help identify many problems is 'Chapter 4 Cervical Spine Trauma' and other Chapter articles for facial. I think that they have some possible treatment methods for what they discuss. They also mention treatments that's not cool, but are recommended in so many generic as well as some professional articles.

Many of us have researched our conditions and found articles that are helpful. Here are two articles that relate to me.
Fauquier ENT Consultants - "Causes of Mystery Ear Pain"
TMJ Orafacial Disorders Center - "Oral Dystonia"

In researching the safety of noise exposure and limit levels, I have researched this to articles with relation to physical, cervical and ear syringing problems and found that I do need to be careful with loud noise exposure as the biological aspects can be different from one with total noise induced tinnitus. Even bio-medical condition articles state that everyone is different with tolerance to safe sound depending on any biological conditions which may include the numbered nerves.
 
There is no other illness that is as complex as tinnitus that has a cure right now.
 
There is no other illness that is as complex as tinnitus that has a cure right now.

Sadly I would disagree with this as I deal with some other ones that have no treatment. Even if you want to take MS as an example. We aren't the only ones that the medical field is not able to cure.
 
Sadly I would disagree with this as I deal with some other ones that have no treatment. Even if you want to take MS as an example. We aren't the only ones that the medical field is not able to cure.

you didn't understood what I was saying, what I'm saying is for diseases as complex as tinnitus, none have a cure available.
 
you didn't understood what I was saying, what I'm saying is for diseases as complex as tinnitus, none have a cure available.
We're not looking for a cure yet. It would be nice but the main focus is a treatment. Treatment wise there's a lot for diseases even more complex.
 
This isn't a sarcastic question this time. I was actually curious. Would having tinnitus today be equally as terrible in terms of treatments as 2,000 years ago? I did a lot of thinking and research. The final answers I came up with were somehow all three. We're better off now, we're not really better off, and we're actually worse off.

How were better off is in understanding of tinnitus. Scientifically we've made great strides in neurology. We're much closer to a cure, but considering that "everyday we technically get closer", that's not saying much. Unlike ancient Greeks with tinnitus, people alive today have a very real chance of seeing a cure. We have a very real chance of a treatment for some or most sufferers as early as 2020; And that's great.

Where we're no better off is with treatments we DO have. Or More specifically, the fact there aren't any. There's absolutely nothing for tinnitus, and there's hasn't been a single advance in tinnitus treatment options pretty much ever. In Ancient Greece, a man named Hippocrates said that the best treatment for tinnitus was to "cover it with a louder external sound". 2,400 years later, were absolutely no better off.

Now sadly, where we actually regressed is socially. A long time ago, sufferers realized how terrible tinnitus was. Martin Luther, Charles Darwin, Beethoven, and Schopenhauer are just a few famous examples. Their quotes on the subject fall on the lines of "well this is awful" not "oh you get used to it hur dur". I guarantee you, if Pawel Jastreboff existed back then and spread his poison, these guys would have told him exactly where he could shove it. I might make a seperate post explaining the devolution because as a sociology lover, I find things like this fascinating. We're adapting to fit a changed social climate. The tinnitus community isn't the only one to do this, it's just an example I'm not trying to put us on blast. It still sucks though.

So would we be better off from 2,000 years ago? I guess the only real answer is "in what way"?

Nowadays at least we know what it is. I read somewhere that Luther thought he was being attacked by demons. Others were dismissed as crazy for hearing things. Maybe with some bad luck you were born in a place fond of Trapanation and other fun "cures", and so on.

Also, 2000 years ago people didn't shower, didn't have Internet and in some enlightened places like Greece Pederasty was a common practice. So I rather smell nice, have Netflix and not be sodomized against my will. ;)
 
Nowadays at least we know what it is. I read somewhere that Luther thought he was being attacked by demons. Others were dismissed as crazy for hearing things. Maybe with some bad luck you were born in a place fond of Trapanation and other fun "cures", and so on.

Also, 2000 years ago people didn't shower, didn't have Internet and in some enlightened places like Greece Pederasty was a common practice. So I rather smell nice, have Netflix and not be sodomized against my will. ;)
Exactly understanding-wise we're much better. Thank goodness for that.
 
We might even be worse off now. I've read about people who were made worse by their doctors' tests and treatments. At least Hippocrates didn't make people worse.
Hippocrates thought a woman's womb could move around her body. His theories on how to treat what he called a wandering womb weren't the most helpful. In addition to many good ideas, he had his share of less than helpful ones.

History is filled with awful stories of people made worse or killed by what passed for medical expertise at the time. I mean, they used to drill holes in the heads of people suffering from headaches. Yikes, I'll stick with today's medical knowledge!
 
The life expectancy of people back then was MUCH lower than today, so less duration of suffering.
Also I doubt the exposure to loud noise was as much as today, unless you were chipping away at some stone or a blacksmith. So the proportion of at least noise induced tinnitus in the general population would have been less. Also no ototoxic medications. No sitting in front of computers hours on end with bad posture. Hrm the list goes on...
 
Couldn't pop a benzo every now and then to get some sleep 2,000 years ago....

Well said @Samantha R

People like the author of this thread, are negative thinkers and have a closed mind regarding any treatment for tinnitus, because they want a complete cure from the condition. They make themselves and others that are susceptible to their whining and complaining miserable and often worse in being able to cope with it. Tinnitus can be a very distressing when it is severe and sustained for long periods. Fortunately, there are various treatments that can help people to have a better quality of life, compared to 2,000 years ago and beyond.

Michael


Tinnitus.


Tinnitus is condition that comes in many different forms and intensities. Most people habituate and are able to carry on with their life doing everything that they want to without too much difficulty. It usually becomes a problem when it is loud and intrusive and begins to interfere with a person's quality of life and their mental well-being.

Since exposure to loud noise is the most common cause of tinnitus, it has been suggested to me on more than one occasion, it is a modern day condition that has come about by the increasingly noisy world in which we live, or to be more precise, the high sound levels that some people expose themselves to while blissfully unaware of the potential risks that are involved. There maybe some truth in this, when one considers the amount of people that go about wearing ear buds, that are attached to their mobile phone or an mp3 player and listen to music that is often at high volume levels and do this for long durations.

I feel these devices have contributed to it becoming more prevalent in today's society especially amongst the young. In addition to this, those that regularly attend nightclubs, concerts and multiplex cinemas could also be at risk. There are those that believe the louder the sound at these venues the better the audio experience and will scoff at the mere mention of using noise-reducing earplugs. One should be able to go out and have a good time if they want to, but also be aware of high sound levels their auditory system might be subjected to at these places of entertainment. Therefore, it would be prudent to carry adequate hearing protection should the need arise to use them.

Someone once told me when their ears are ringing after leaving a club it's a sign that they've had a good night. That's fine I said until the day the ringing doesn't stop. This can happen when the ears are repeatedly exposed to high sound levels. What might start out as a pleasant experience can quickly change into something quite distressing if tinnitus becomes loud and permanent. Many other things including an underlying medical condition, not necessarily associated with the ear, can be responsible for it too.

In fact tinnitus isn't a modern day condition at all and has been around for many centuries and goes way back to the Egyptians, when the first written account and medical treatment for it was recorded. There weren't any treatments like the ones in use today. How did people cope and what form of treatment was available then, and right up until now? The Egyptians used a concoction of remedies to treat the "bewitched ear or "the humming ear" as it was called. Infused oil, frankincense, tree sap, herbs and even soil would be administered into the external part of the affected ear using a reed stalk. By today's standards such treatments might seem bizarre. Nevertheless, it's what the doctors at that time believed in and therefore, who are we to say such methods didn't bring some relief to the affected person?

The Mesopotamians, a collection of cultures and considered to be the cradle of civilization, used to chant to get rid of the whispering or singing in their ears. "Whoever thou may be, may Enki restrain me." This was just one in a list of mantras used, to perhaps condition the mind and probably helped to push the noise further into the background making it less noticeable. An early form of sound enrichment?

I believe a real breakthrough in coping with tinnitus came with the use of sound as a form of masking. Two famous Greeks first introduced it: Aristotle and Hippocrates. One a philosopher and scientist the other a distinguished physician, who is often referred to as the "Father of modern medicine. Perhaps this is the reason all newly qualified physicians take the Hippocratic Oath. Both were fond of saying: "Why is that buzzing in the ear ceases if one makes a sound. Is it because a greater sound drives out the less?"

A very helpful device that has brought relief to many people with tinnitus is the wearable white noise generator, formally known as a masker. I like to think fate had a part to play in the inception of this little miracle and it didn't happen just by chance. Although at first glance this does seem to be the case.

In 1973, Jack Vernon PhD led a research group in the studying of tinnitus. He was traveling with a friend Dr. Charles Unice who had severe tinnitus. As they were walking passed an outdoor fountain, Dr Unice stopped abruptly and was reluctant to continue. Listening to the soothing sounds of the fountain, he told Dr. Vernon. "Standing right here I cannot hear my tinnitus. It's the first time I've been unable to hear that unconscionably wretched sound since it began over two years ago. This is wonderful!" This intrigued Dr. Vernon and led him to research the matter further, until coming up with the idea of a wearable masking device, as a way of providing relief for tinnitus.

The word masking is not commonly used today in books when describing sound therapy although it is still used a lot in tinnitus forums. I think its use is outdated and for some time has been replaced with the term "sound enrichment" by health professionals. Hearing Therapists and Audiologists now advise patients, the preferred method is to set the volume level of the sound of choice, slightly below the tinnitus. By doing this, the brain is able to hear it and thus making the habituation process easier. Unless the brain can hear the tinnitus slightly above the sound enrichment the habituation process is usually more difficult. If one completely masks, as soon as the sound is stopped or temporarily removed, the brain will immediately focus back on the tinnitus and often, it will appear to be louder and more intrusive.

The wearable white noise generator has advanced considerably and is now available in various forms. The digital types require setting up on computer by an Audiologist and can be tailored to a patient's specific needs. For example the user can select different sounds when required. Some are blue toothed enabling the streaming of audio. Hearing loss often accompanies tinnitus and therefore, dual-purpose devices are available that come fitted with a hearing aid.

Sound therapy using white noise generators, tabletop sound machine etc. Counseling and prescription drugs are available today and are able to play a significant role in helping to relieve not only the sound of the tinnitus but the stress and anxiety that often accompanies it. This has to be a good thing, despite some of the concerns some medications attract because they might exacerbate the condition or cause dependency. Not everyone is the same. What might affect one person might not in another. I believe, once a person is properly managed by their doctor, any problems that might arise due to medication, can quickly be resolved and a change of prescription is likely bring the desired affect.

Although there is no cure for tinnitus at present. With the help of modern medicine, treatment therapies and having a positive attitude, people are often able to have a good quality of life. Depending on how intrusive the condition is, this might take a little longer for some but don't let that stop you believing.
 
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I think medieval peasants with T never bother with it most of the time too busy trying not to die from starvation or other even worst thing...life quality was hell back then so I guess T would be a really small priority even for the sufferer themself
 
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And so it begins...........
 
Wow. Just wow. We need to inform the medical science community to pack it up. Stop looking for any new treatments or cures for anything. Cancer, ALS, Parkinson's, schizophrenia, all of it. What we have is good enough.

We don't need to progress and aim to make things better. It's not like that's what we strive to do as a species or anything, right? We can be negative and give up. Just accept our lot in life.

It is so true, there are negative people on this site who are closed minded.
 
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