Is It Better to Suffer Tinnitus Now Than It Was 2,000 Years Ago?

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So... when people say some solutions already exist to help people, for you they imply that a complete cure should not be researched? Ooook.
Why would the existence of such solutions would be a final dot in the research of a cure? I don't get it.
 
So... when people say some solutions already exist to help people, for you they imply that a complete cure should not be researched? Ooook.
Why would the existence of such solutions would be a final dot in the research of a cure? I don't get it.
Nope. I'm all for a cure or even an effective treatment. There are none. Some people think it's wrong to hope for a cure. They think what there is available now is good enough.
 
To all the people who are not looking for a cure

Seriously, who are you talking to? I am starting to think that I don't see the posts of some blocked users on this thread.
Who here does not want scientific efforts towards a cure? I would be curious to know.
 
I won't name names but some think it is negative to wish for a cure or maybe even an effective treatment. We are only very slightly better off than 2000yrs ago. We do have some dirty benzos that are like a temporary bandaid at best.

I wish there was a treatment for tinnitus that is effective like betahistine is for vertigo.
Surely it will be a serendipitous discovery like viagra, which was originally intended as a treatment for high blood pressure and angina.
 
I won't name names but some think it is negative to wish for a cure or maybe even an effective treatment. We are only very slightly better off than 2000yrs ago. We do have some dirty benzos that are like a temporary bandaid at best.

I wish there was a treatment for tinnitus that is effective like betahistine is for vertigo.
Surely it will be a serendipitous discovery like viagra, which was originally intended as a treatment for high blood pressure and angina.
It really does suck that some of our own sufferers think like this. They should be on our side but no. Sometimes we're our own worst enemy :(
 
Seriously, who are you talking to? I am starting to think that I don't see the posts of some blocked users on this thread.
Who here does not want scientific efforts towards a cure? I would be curious to know.

I'd like to know as well. Who has said they don't want a treatment or cure @Gman?
 
I'd like to know as well. Who has said they don't want a treatment or cure @Gman?
Well Fishbone for example has said multiple times he doesn't care about a cure. Granted he's fibbing, but he and some others say stuff like that. Now for people actually objected to a treatment or cure, those are very rare (thank god). I've only met one on r/tinnitus and one on here.
 
I don't feel like I am much better off in terms of treatment than I would have been 2000 years ago. I have managed to achieve some habituation but I chalk that up to time passing, not treatment.

I am optimistic about treatments and cures going forward but maybe not in my lifetime. Research into hearing loss and T and H is ongoing. Medical research for a different problem might domino into treatments for our problem. It is sad that I am not much better off than I would have been 2000 years ago but I don't believe that it will take another 2000 years to find a cure.
 
Well Fishbone for example has said multiple times he doesn't care about a cure. Granted he's fibbing, but he and some others say stuff like that. Now for people actually objected to a treatment or cure, those are very rare (thank god). I've only met one on r/tinnitus and one on here.
Hold up, are you saying there are legit people who don't want a cure???
 
So... when people say some solutions already exist to help people, for you they imply that a complete cure should not be researched? Ooook.
Why would the existence of such solutions would be a final dot in the research of a cure? I don't get it.

One thing you have to try and accept @Julien87. Negative thinking people will always try and find a way to defend their argument. Belief me, trying to make them see otherwise, or to look at the positive things in their life and think things could be a lot worse is difficult. Due to their negativity they often make their life more problematic. Forums and other social media platforms are perfect places to find like minded people, so they can vent their frustrations on the world. Be argumentative towards other members, their government and medical profession for not doing enough. Many medical conditions cannot be cured at the moment, but a lot can be treated like tinnitus and enable a person to have a better quality of life. This does not mean research into finding a cure for these conditions should not be sought, but it's pointless making yourself miserable in the process.

Michael
 
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Hold up, are you saying there are legit people who don't want a cure???
Oh yeah I was perplexed too. The guy who I met here (who was banned eventually, but I doubt he was a troll) said the medical community shouldn't try to focus on a cure because it gets in the way of people habituating. Saps who think like this exist sadly I didn't know people could Uncle Tom that hard.
 
One thing you have to try and accept @Julien87. Negative thinking people will always try and find a way to defend their argument. Belief me, trying to make them see otherwise, or to look at the positive things in their life and think things could be a lot worse is difficult. Due to their negativity they often make their life more problematic. Forums and other social media platforms are perfect places to find like minded people, so they can vent their frustrations on the world. Be argumentative towards other members, their government and medical profession for not doing enough. Many medical conditions cannot be cured at the moment, but a lot can be treated like tinnitus and enable a person to have a better quality of life. This does not mean research into find a cure for these conditions should not be sought, but it's pointless making yourself miserable in the process.

Michael
You understand you're the main example of the third point right?
 
I'd like to know as well. Who has said they don't want a treatment or cure @Gman?
Read a rather lengthy post earlier in this thread. There have been other threads with similar statements. If you aren't going to read, then it's not my fault.
But apparently @threefirefour is close minded and negative for wanting a complete cure. I'm sure a decent treatment would be enough in the interim.
 
One thing you have to try and accept @Julien87. Negative thinking people will always try and find a way to defend their argument.
You didn't need to initiate things being so negative towards @threefirefour. Your own statement sums you up to a tee. I've read other threads where you've really upset and bullied people with your own close minded views.
 
I think--hope--there is some blurring of belief systems going. The day we have a cure, there will be a world wide TT party :) I think the discussion should be separated. If you believe and feel that habituation is a measure of success, and a goal you would like to achieve with your tinnitus, than holding on for hope of a cure may be detrimental. However, if your goal is silence, than indeed, habituation is a distraction and can be counter productive. Especially if the hope of a cure is what motivates you through the day. Some days, when I see a good study result, my t can scream and I am ok with it, because I can envision a brighter er quieter future :)

Ultimately, I am fine with habituation. But if there is a cure, I will mortgage my house to get it lol. So It may be a spectrum and we can lay on both sides.
 
You are often insolent and lack manners and respect. When you learn to conduct yourself in a manner I deem appropriate, then I shall reply to your comments.

Until then
Goodbye
Michael
Oh okay so that's how it is. You can call me negative and insult me all you want (not that I care btw) but if I call you out in turn, it's "rude"? That's not fair.
 
The truth often causes an offence but it certainly is not a sin.
Michael
Well I'm no expert but claiming others are negative when they aren't could count as a sin. But it isn't a term I would use, maybe I would say a lie.
 
I don't see people saying they don't want a cure to be found but people saying that right now there simply is no cure, thus focusing solely on a potential cure and not on ways to cope with tinnitus isn't beneficial and I agree with that.

But I also don't see people saying they will only accept a cure and nothing less; I see people saying they'd like to see more/actual treatment options for tinnitus (e.g. a drug or a device) but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to cope in the meantime. I don't think people hoping for a cure/treatment or discussing those potential cures/treatments are being negative. People pushing for more research aren't being negative (well, okay, you might argue whether they're pushing for more research or are just obsessing over having tinnitus on a support forum and I'm also questioning how much time I spend on TT regularly ;)).

The problem I see with habituation is this: if everyone can live a normal life with tinnitus why should any research towards a cure be done? And I also believe that, unfortunately, not everyone will be able to live a normal life with tinnitus, whether that's due to their attitude or not, not everyone will be able to cope with this. My heart just breaks when I read stories of new members panicking, members who are going through awful spikes or posts of people whose tinnitus permanently worsened. I've talked a lot with a woman whose husband killed himself a few months after he had developed tinnitus. Maybe he could have habituated but for him the thought of having this condition for life was too much to bear. I want better treatment options for those people and for those where TRT doesn't work and for everyone else, whether they're just slightly bothered or extremely exhausted by their tinnitus.

I'm trying to live my life as best as I can but I can't deny that t and h still make me feel like I don't have much control over it anymore.
 
Read a rather lengthy post earlier in this thread. There have been other threads with similar statements. If you aren't going to read, then it's not my fault.
But apparently @threefirefour is close minded and negative for wanting a complete cure. I'm sure a decent treatment would be enough in the interim.

Gman by whom? I've read most the responses and haven't seen anything.

You didn't need to initiate things being so negative towards @threefirefour. Your own statement sums you up to a tee. I've read other threads where you've really upset and bullied people with your own close minded views.

Are you kidding me? Threefirefour is far from polite :LOL:. Double standards when it suits it seems. I've been here a fair amount of time now and likely read well over a thousand threads. I've never felt that there's been an anti-treatment, or no cure, consensus on here. I'd sell my house to get a treatment to give me my music career back, but there isn't one. So what's the great solution in the meantime? More suicide threads? Yea cheers, that's really helpful.

Although it's a huge loss to my life, and I've had LOADS to deal with on top of all this, I'm well and truly back on track again after a recent setback. We live, learn, and adapt. There's no other way. By the way, @fishbone cuts through with a great message of positivity that gives hope to others. What's not to like about that? I'm at a loss with some of the new wave of posters. There's an undertone that suggests positive people are anti-treatment somehow which is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read. You must adapt and live whilst you wait for possible treatments, or a cure, otherwise your life will pass you by. There is nothing stopping any of us from being proactive in the meantime. Raise money for research; set up an initiative, donate to TT, etc...
 
Gman by whom? I've read most the responses and haven't seen anything.



Are you kidding me? Threefirefour is far from polite :LOL:. Double standards when it suits it seems. I've been here a fair amount of time now and likely read well over a thousand threads. I've never felt that there's been an anti-treatment, or no cure, consensus on here. I'd sell my house to get a treatment to give me my music career back, but there isn't one. So what's the great solution in the meantime? More suicide threads? Yea cheers, that's really helpful.

Although it's a huge loss to my life, and I've had LOADS to deal with on top of all this, I'm well and truly back on track again after a recent setback. We live, learn, and adapt. There's no other way. By the way, @fishbone cuts through with a great message of positivity that gives hope to others. What's not to like about that? I'm at a loss with some of the new wave of posters. There's an undertone that suggests positive people are anti-treatment somehow which is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read. You must adapt and live whilst you wait for possible treatments, or a cure, otherwise your life will pass you by. There is nothing stopping any of us from being proactive in the meantime. Raise money for research; set up an initiative, donate to TT, etc...
Oh come on. Never mind then.
I didn't say @threefirefour was polite. That wasn't my point. Same with the remainder of your points.
I'm trying my best to keep supporting my family and attempt to habituate. There's no bandwidth for anything else.
I also have other stuff to deal with that's serious but T et al are by far the worst from an experiential pov.
Anyway, I hope you're doing ok now.
 
Same threads every other day.
Apparently when there's a thread like this, it's "repetetive" but nbody ever says that about the countless habituation posts. You're right double standards when it suits.

I'm not saying you shouldn't post what you want, feel free to post your perspective, and others who agree with you should be allowed to as well. Just please don't get mad at other people for being "repetetive" when they want to post something contrary.

Anyways in your previous post I feel like you're missing the point a bit. People like you, Fishbone, ML, etc, don't like it when people like me post about how we should only focus on a treatment. If you think all we care about is posting negativity and complaining about positivity, then you would be mistaken. To simplify it to a core, a lot of people here feel that we shouldn't be pretending habituation is a treatment, and that we should hold our treament options up to a higher standard. The situation that tinnitus is in, where 1/8th of people have it yet there's absolutely no treatment I'm sure you can agree is awful. A lot of people want to change that, and I don't blame them. Some of us are just really sick of all the habituation shilling too. Trust me, that get's old really quickly.

Maybe you don't understand what you call the "new wave" of posters because you never looked from our perspective. Try doing that so you can understand where we're coming from.
 
There is nothing stopping any of us from being proactive in the meantime. Raise money for research; set up an initiative, donate to TT, etc...
I agree with you here btw all this is a great idea. It's great TT has become much more proactive in looking for a treatment.
 
I think it was worse back then especially because medicine was not developed. We should be grateful for the benefits we have today. However, there will always be people who will use medicine for bad things and who will want to destroy the world or whatever.... It is really sad how people would rather go and live on Mars than try to save planet Earth and appreciate it more. If a meteor hits our planet, then we will die on this planet. I would rather die here surrounded by water, trees and a blue sky than have to be on Mars.... And I would rather live in this century than in the previous ones.....
 
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