LLLT Treatment Journal: Lucky Laser Device for Reversing Hearing Loss & Tinnitus

[luka]

25.4.2015 - Treatment:

Lucky Laser every couple of days for 1 hour in the morning. I've increases a bit the power lvl for 808 wavelenght. Now it's 480 mW

Results: No notable change for hearing loss and Tinnitus for now.

See you next week,

Luka

 

[luka]

2.5.2015- Treatment

I've had a bit of pause. I've used laser only two times this week for about an hour a day.

Results: Don't notice any specific change.

Best,

Luka

 

[luka]

10.5.2015 - Treatment

I've used the laser 3 times for an hour this week. Overall I believe that I understand speech better than couple of months before, but testing with online hearing test it's the same result as before. I don't know to what should I attribute that: Habituation, laser, pills. Anyway I'm happy it's better than before...

Best,

Luka

 

[luka]

Sorry for slow response, I'm really occupied at work.

Anyway:
20.5.2015 treatment:

I've done 3 treatments for one hour with both probes. At the same level as previous week.

I don't notice any changes regarding hearing threshold and as far am I concern the Tinnitus pitch and volume is still the same.

See you next week,

Luka

 

[luka]

Treatment: 24.5.2015

Both probes at the same power as before for one hour. 3 Times a week.

Results:
-No change. Hearing threshold and tinnitus sound level and frequency is the same.

best,

Luka

 

[luka]

Treatment: 1.6.2015
I used the laser only twice this week. For about half an hour per season.

Last couple of days I'm feeling numbness in my ear. My hearing threshold is a bit worse than before. Maybe it's because of usage of wax earplugs and my ear drum got a bit plugged or got something else, I don't know .

Anyway It's a bit weird though :
- loosing major part of hearing from one shout,
- getting tinnitus,
- weird balloon pop up effect when blowing my nose.
- last week I'm feeling numbness around my ear.

I'll got to the hospital tomorrow and I'll probably pay for MRI or something to check me for acoustic neuron.

One thing I'm feeling concern: In case I have acoustic neuron, can LLLT treatment be dangerous, since basically I gave energy to the hear cells and to the tumor as well ? Could acoustic neuron grow faster by doing LLLT treatment to the ear ? If I have acoustic neuron, could be, that I've done to my self more harm then good by doing laser ?

Best,

Luka

 

[luka]

Update 2.6.2015
I've complained yesterday about the numbness around my ear, and I took a day off to visit ENT in the hospital.
Anyway: I'll get MRI this week and after that ENT will check for acustic neuron.

We've done a hearing test though, to check if the numbness had an impact on my hearing and I was plesently suprised about the income. I did have an improvement on my hearing threshold since the last audiogram. The improvement was for around 15-20db on 1000 and around 15-20db on 4k hz.

The doctor said that this happens occasionally since it's not a year past the accident and natural improvement could accure. Anyway it's tangible improvement for me, and I'll keep doing the LLLT.

Here is the new audiogram taken on 2.6.2015 at local hospital (The same machine as before)

Here is the old audiogram taken on 17.2.2015 at local hospital

I'll let you know what MR scan turns out,

best

Luka

 

[luka]

Hi guys, nothing new to this date. I had an MRI which was loud as hell(but was manageable with plugs), I'm having a doctors appointment next week, I'll let you know more.

Best,

Luka

 

[briano]

Hi Luka,
Hope all is well. Any new updates?

 

[luka]

Hi Everbody,

Sorry for a late response, I was totally occupied with work and after that with holidays.

Anyway:

Update : 9.7.2015

Not much noticeable improvement regarding hearing threshold through youtube test. Tinnitus level seams more or less same as before. I've used the laser every 3 days or so with both probes for about an hour.

I did have a major breakthrough though. One day I was totally occupied with one of our clients. And I wasn't aware about tinnitus or hearing loss for a whole day ( from morning to evening ). I'm feeling really better, since I firmly believe that if my mind is capable of tuning out tinnitus for a whole day, then it has the power to tune it out for 2 days, and for a week, and a month.. Until it's not an issue anymore.

I'll keep doing laser treatment every couple of days, since I already own the laser and it's not that much of hassle to point the probes in your ear while watching movies. And since not much interesting is happening I'll publish updates every 2-3 weeks or so.

Best,

Luka

 

[felinefine]

Awesome Luka thank you for this! What was the consensus on your MRI? Really interested to hear about it!

Wishing you good things!

 

[luka]

Update 1.8.2015

Hi everybody,

just to give you a new update.

MRI:
My MRI scan turned out okay. No tumors or something.
I've also received some nice images of my head.

It's now almost a year from the accident the doctor said that there is highly unlikely that I'll regain any hearing back. So we'll see if the laser helps..

Laser:
I had pause with the laser for last three weeks. Some members @Philip83 thread https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...riences-dr-wilden-etc.295/page-32#post-129635 suggested, that the hair cells get used to the treatment if used at too much power or for to long.

Till now I've followed @FERNANDO GIL advice on treatment. @FERNANDO GIL consulted about it with Anne Harila. She runs laser clinic in Norwegian. ( http://www.laserklinikken.no/ ). I've contact her through the email, but she hasn't replied.

Overall:
If I'm honest I'm a bit disappointed with the progress. I though I'm a perfect patient for laser treatment, due to hearing loss and recent acoustic trauma, that I belived couldn't be that severe, (human shout cannot be that powerful). I was thinking that the hair cells are merely misfunctioning and not dead and could be boosted up with laser. I've regain some decibels though the doctor said this is normal in a first year after the accident.

Plans for the next:
I'll keep doing the laser treatment, though I'm not sure how should I set power now. Does anybody have any idea ? Overall the doctor believes that my hearing will stabilized now and is unlikely I regain any decibels. I'll keep doing the laser and will get an audiogram in next 3 months or so..

 

[Ricardo AM]

Hi Luka,

Im new here in the forum and i am planning to follow the same treatmant LLLT....

In fact i am trying to contact one of the members here with large experience on LLLT and inclusive i already sent a message to Dr. Anne in Norway (still waiting for a reply also)!

Congratulations for your intense reports here / It is what we need here...people with proactivity !

I will follow your comments and if i started my LLLT treatment i will certainly report my case as well!

Until new effective research appears lets do all we can!

All the Best!
Ricardo

 

[mcgregor]

Hi I am also trying laser treatment, same laser as yourself, been doing it since start of May this year, I lost over 100db in my right ear after infection, well over a year now since the 100db hearing loss, had an audiogram two weeks ago and have had very small gain in dBs, is it the laser? or natural recovery who knows.
My protocol for laser is 3 weeks on with weekends off, then one full week off, I will be doing this method until my next audiogram in 6 months time and see if any further improvement in hearing
my settings are 650nm/90mn 30minutes 808nm /220 10minutes. For what I have seen and read there is not an exact protocol for laser treatment, these settings are my own.
I will turn up the 808nm as I go along in the next few months.

 

[Ricardo AM]

Hello Mcgregor,

May i ask where is your protocol for laser (a professional clinic?)....or you doing by yourself?

Cheers,
Ricardo

 

[mcgregor]

yes I am doing the laser myself its my own protocol I have made up, could be totally wrong protocol ,but hiho got to do something rather than sit on my derriere

 

[Ricardo AM]

OK,
I agree with you and respect it...in fact i am in movement also to make something against T....and H!

I just asked for curiosity as i am planning to try the LLLT but i will prefer to consult a professional first!

Thanks for reply (all our opinions are valid)
All the best!
Ricardo

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

650nm/90mn 30minutes 808nm /220 10minutes. For what I have seen and read there is not an exact protocol for laser treatment, these settings are my own.
I will turn up the 808nm as I go along in the next few months.

If you making it since May.
Is ok already to do 650nm/120 mW and 808nnm/400 mw
do 30 minuts each.
Are you doing behind the ear as well?

Sheers

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

Plans for the next:
I'll keep doing the laser treatment, though I'm not sure how should I set power now. Does anybody have any idea ? Overall the doctor believes that my hearing will stabilized now and is unlikely I regain any decibels. I'll keep doing the laser and will get an audiogram in next 3 months or so..

Luka, maybe is better to stop for a wille. Some times is better to stop. And wait a couple of months.
I have scan as well set up for the 10h August.
Hope not having any bad news.

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

Update 2.6.2015
I've complained yesterday about the numbness around my ear, and I took a day off to visit ENT in the hospital.
Anyway: I'll get MRI this week and after that ENT will check for acustic neuron.

We've done a hearing test though, to check if the numbness had an impact on my hearing and I was plesently suprised about the income. I did have an improvement on my hearing threshold since the last audiogram. The improvement was for around 15-20db on 1000 and around 15-20db on 4k hz.

The doctor said that this happens occasionally since it's not a year past the accident and natural improvement could accure. Anyway it's tangible improvement for me, and I'll keep doing the LLLT.

Here is the new audiogram taken on 2.6.2015 at local hospital (The same machine as before)
View attachment 6857

Here is the old audiogram taken on 17.2.2015 at local hospital
View attachment 6858
I'll let you know what MR scan turns out,

best

Luka

Hi Luka
Only now saw this. I think you are on the right track. You gained 20 db on the 1 Mhz and 20 db on the 4 Mhz the line is now more linear. The treatment as Anne and Dr Wilden say, is that the "good" frequencies start to push the "bad" ones and closer to them. And is what is exacting happening to you.
So keep doing, the lazer when 1 Mhz get´s " good", is when you will start to gel better on the 1,125 and 2 MHZ at the same time the higher frequencies will help as well.


talk to you on skype.

Sheeers

 

[Vincent R]

Update 1.8.2015

Hi everybody,

just to give you a new update.

MRI:
My MRI scan turned out okay. No tumors or something.
I've also received some nice images of my head.
View attachment 7485

It's now almost a year from the accident the doctor said that there is highly unlikely that I'll regain any hearing back. So we'll see if the laser helps..

Laser:
I had pause with the laser for last three weeks. Some members @Philip83 thread https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/low-level-laser-therapy-lllt-for-tinnitus-—-experiences-dr-wilden-etc.295/page-32#post-129635 suggested, that the hair cells get used to the treatment if used at too much power or for to long.

Till now I've followed @FERNANDO GIL advice on treatment. @FERNANDO GIL consulted about it with Anne Harila. She runs laser clinic in Norwegian. ( http://www.laserklinikken.no/ ). I've contact her through the email, but she hasn't replied.

Overall:
If I'm honest I'm a bit disappointed with the progress. I though I'm a perfect patient for laser treatment, due to hearing loss and recent acoustic trauma, that I belived couldn't be that severe, (human shout cannot be that powerful). I was thinking that the hair cells are merely misfunctioning and not dead and could be boosted up with laser. I've regain some decibels though the doctor said this is normal in a first year after the accident.

Plans for the next:
I'll keep doing the laser treatment, though I'm not sure how should I set power now. Does anybody have any idea ? Overall the doctor believes that my hearing will stabilized now and is unlikely I regain any decibels. I'll keep doing the laser and will get an audiogram in next 3 months or so..

Fine.

I just want to know one thing. I can't help to notice that your brain is equipped with an extra set of eyes reminding of those of an octopus. Now, did those eyes show up BEFORE or AFTER you started up with LLLT. I honestly wont try this therapy until you give me a straight answer.

 

[mcgregor]

If you making it since May.
Is ok already to do 650nm/120 mW and 808nnm/400 mw
do 30 minuts each.
Are you doing behind the ear as well?

Sheers

yes doing behind the ear also, for 15 minutes

 

[passerby]

I just want to know one thing. I can't help to notice that your brain is equipped with an extra set of eyes reminding of those of an octopus. Now, did those eyes show up BEFORE or AFTER you started up with LLLT.

as a frontal view of the head (face), the MRI scan is perfectly normal. Not sure what "extra set of eyes" you see, or, are referring to.

Certainly LLLT cannot grow eyes in the brain.

a (concerned) passerby

 

[Nucleo]

I just want to know one thing. I can't help to notice that your brain is equipped with an extra set of eyes reminding of those of an octopus. Now, did those eyes show up BEFORE or AFTER you started up with LLLT. I honestly wont try this therapy until you give me a straight answer.

Is this a joke post? I can't tell. His eyes are right they should be.

 

[luka]

Fine.

I just want to know one thing. I can't help to notice that your brain is equipped with an extra set of eyes reminding of those of an octopus. Now, did those eyes show up BEFORE or AFTER you started up with LLLT. I honestly wont try this therapy until you give me a straight answer.

Vincent, )))

you really made me laugh..Yes, those "octupus" looking eyes were already before I started with LLLT

 

[Zechariah]

Hi Luka
Only now saw this. I think you are on the right track. You gained 20 db on the 1 Mhz and 20 db on the 4 Mhz the line is now more linear. The treatment as Anne and Dr Wilden say, is that the "good" frequencies start to push the "bad" ones and closer to them. And is what is exacting happening to you.
So keep doing, the lazer when 1 Mhz get´s " good", is when you will start to gel better on the 1,125 and 2 MHZ at the same time the higher frequencies will help as well.


talk to you on skype.

Sheeers

Hi, as @luka stated this gain could have occurred without laser treatment via natural healing. So your post isn't quite objective.

Btw, check your units. Humans can't hear up to 1 MHz or 4 Mhz. (1MHz = 1000KHz = 1000000Hz).

PS. I've been wondering: Are you typoing "Cheers" on purpose?

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

Hi, as @luka stated this gain could have occurred without laser treatment via natural healing. So your post isn't quite objective.

Btw, check your units. Humans can't hear up to 1 MHz or 4 Mhz. (1MHz = 1000KHz = 1000000Hz).

PS. I've been wondering: Are you typoing "Cheers" on purpose?

Yes he could I had them my self, before making LLLT. I never said is not possible to have some natural regeneration, since i had them myself.
The point is thathe is gainning them the exact way the LLLT regenration happens. The "good" frequencies tend to help the regenerations of the frequencies that are close to them. That is the process of the healling on the LLLT, if it´s happening why not give some hope to Luka. And you can see the audigram line tends to get linear, that is something that happens when making LLLT.

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

Just one more point.....
1Mhz = 1KHz = 1000 Hz.......

M is 1000 for ( Latin /Portuguese)
K 1s 1000 for English way.

So you should get back to kinder garden and learn a little more about mathematica.

Sheers

 

[FERNANDO GIL]

25.4.2015 - Treatment:

Lucky Laser every couple of days for 1 hour in the morning. I've increases a bit the power lvl for 808 wavelenght. Now it's 480 mW

Results: No notable change for hearing loss and Tinnitus for now.

See you next week,

Luka

No more ha 400/450 mW. More than that becomes dangerours. I already said to you. Unless is pulsanting.
So lower the power please.

 

[Zechariah]

Just one more point.....
1Mhz = 1KHz = 1000 Hz.......

M is 1000 for ( Latin /Portuguese)
K 1s 1000 for English way.

So you should get back to kinder garden and learn a little more about mathematica.

Sheers

Hi, we write english here and use metric system prefixes. If you prefer/want to use somethings else - Please make it clear in your messages to avoid confusion.

There is no education of non-standard units and prefixes at math courses here in Finland so going back to kindergarten wouldn't help.