Low Frequency Gets 10x Louder When Lying Down

@Jkph75

Yes, the majority of ENT's are never very good with inner ear issues and do not know how to take wild fluctuations in hearing seriously (I've only had 2 caring ENT's who took it seriously, out of the same practice). They only think something is terribly wrong if you are already not understanding conversation and are hearing impaired (i.e., if everything goes below 30 db); that way their audiologists can direct you to spend $$ on hearing aids!

Well, MAV is definitely something to consider however. That's what they thought I had originally, and it's a fairly common form of migraine. It does cause hearing fluctuations that would look like your hearing patterns, but many ENT's don't recognize that hearing can also be affected; it can strongly resemble Meniere's. Everything you describe could be lyme like, but it could equally be attributed to migraine attacks, and would more likely be migraines because they are far more common. Migraines are very weird and have diverse neurological presentations.

Have you tried a migraine med or have you looked for trigger foods in your diet?
I guess I would expect that from an ENT, but I expected a little more from a Neurotologist. Maybe I just need to find the right one.

My neurologist said that I don't have MAV, because my tinnitus is 24/7. My story - woke up a month after having my daughter with tinnitus and crazy pain that went from my shoulder up over my head into my eye. Didn't care about the pain but was freaking out about the tinnitus. A few days later I felt like I couldn't hear well. Days after that I became extremely dizzy while driving. I stayed dizzy for days until I got some Prednisone. The dizziness was like being on a boat, nothing was spinning but it felt like it could start. The dizziness slowly went after being on the Prednisone for a long time. About 4 months later, I saw a new ENT who said that I didn't need the Prednisone. He tapered me off of it. After I had been off it for a week or so the dizziness along with the headache came back. That was also the day I got my period(sorry to be graphic). Felt like I was on a boat. Riding in a car felt like we were going to be in an accident. ENT did audiogram. It was normal. Kept feeling dizzy, especially in a car. I could ride in a car but I couldn't drive one. I wasn't getting dizzy spells as I drove. It just became harder to drive as I went on. It was like my brain just could not do the task. I would get out and then have a hard time walking. After I sat for a while it would pass. Then I got some more Prednisone. The dizziness slowly started to go away again. This time I am only on 5 mg instead of 10. Still can't drive on a highway. Waiting for a referral to some guru somewhere. I've been waiting over a month just for a name.

My neurologist said that migraine meds would only help the pain not dizziness if it was related to a migraine. I don't usually have a lot of pain with the headaches. Sometimes I can't even tell if I have one or not.
 
Investigate TMJ. Read my posts on it. Maybe you are clencing / grinding on your teeth at night.
If it's fluctuating you are Lucky. Much better to handle than same volume T all day.
Investigate your neck as well. See a neck and face therapist to spot if something is misaligned or stuck.
Don't have TMJ. Went to a special specialist after ENTs said I did. My neck is messed up. I have been seeing a Nucca chiropractor who has helped some.
 
@Jkph75

If your dizziness is so responsive to prednisone then this could possibly be something autoimmune, or an infection. Not many things will be treated so effectively with prednisone. Did you have a comprehensive blood test done by your neuro-otologist? You'd want to get the panel looking for systemic autoimmune diseases too. The comp. blood test also comes with a lyme titer (I think western blot) so you could eliminate that too.

But if you have neck issues as well then that can also definitely cause or contribute to the T and the droning noise you have. I've read things (by chiropractors, so not terribly reliable) that having a misalignment in the C1 or C2 vertebrae can cause dizzy symptoms and low frequency hearing loss.
They have since ruled it out for me but sometimes with neck misalignment you can have pinched nerves, and even your vertebrobasilar artery can be compressed which can definitely lead to dizziness/hearing issues.
Have you had an MRI or CT for your neck yet?
 
@Coyotesheaven

I had all of the blood tests, including Lyme. They didn't find anything. My neurologist said that he thinks that I either have a post pregnancy autoimmune phenomenon that responds to steroids or Hydrops, though he said that he doesn't really think that I have Hydrops. I think that I do. Maybe that is because I am so afraid of having it.

I had an MRI of my neck. I had a bone spur btw C5 and C6. My neurologist said that he thinks that there is also a pinched nerve there too but could not be sure. At any rate, he said that there was nothing that I could do about it anyways. I do have C1 and C2 misalignments, but I think everyone does. The Nucca chiropractor has helped some.

Is your tinnitus all the time or does it come and go?
 
@Jkph75

Yes, an autoimmune reaction would definitely make sense to me; always interesting how many strange things bodies can do after a pregnancy. I'm surprised nothing came back from the panel, however. Which systemic diseases did you get tested for?

If you had hydrops exclusively I don't think you would be so responsive to steroids; however, a lot of pre-existing problems in the inner ear can lead to cochlear hydrops in the first place. I probably have it too from all the crap that is going on.
Even if you do have hydrops, you should know that the condition does not necessarily lead to Meniere's disease as long as you use good management strategies. Have you tried a low salt and sugar diet diet or diuretics (the latter isn't the best for your body but maybe your ear doc. suggested it)?

Also, if they found a bone spur, I read that it could have the potential to lead to a small degree of vertebral insufficiency, which would lead to poor blood flow in your ears. Did they tell you that the arteries looked ok where the spur occurred, or were they able to observe the vascular structures in that area? Also, do you remember having any kind of sprain/small neck injury around the time you started experiencing the ear problems?
 
@Jkph75

Yes, an autoimmune reaction would definitely make sense to me; always interesting how many strange things bodies can do after a pregnancy. I'm surprised nothing came back from the panel, however. Which systemic diseases did you get tested for?

If you had hydrops exclusively I don't think you would be so responsive to steroids; however, a lot of pre-existing problems in the inner ear can lead to cochlear hydrops in the first place. I probably have it too from all the crap that is going on.
Even if you do have hydrops, you should know that the condition does not necessarily lead to Meniere's disease as long as you use good management strategies. Have you tried a low salt and sugar diet diet or diuretics (the latter isn't the best for your body but maybe your ear doc. suggested it)?

Also, if they found a bone spur, I read that it could have the potential to lead to a small degree of vertebral insufficiency, which would lead to poor blood flow in your ears. Did they tell you that the arteries looked ok where the spur occurred, or were they able to observe the vascular structures in that area? Also, do you remember having any kind of sprain/small neck injury around the time you started experiencing the ear problems?
I can't remember everything that I was tested for... thyroid disorder, vitamin deficiencies, etc. My neurologist said that there were things that the blood tests couldn't test for, so having a negative result didn't necessarily mean that my condition was not autoimmune in nature.

I went on a low salt diet shortly after this started. I have recently started to decrease sugar and cut out gluten this week. I went on a diuretic a month or so after all this started. It did nothing for me other than make me have to stop breastfeeding my daughter. It made me feel awful too. Why do you think you have Hydrops?

My neurologist didn't say anything about observing my vascular structures. I'll have to ask him. Prior to these ear problems, I had been having a lot of pain in my neck and shoulder from nursing my daughter. I also was extremely stressed. After my husband went back to work I didn't have any help and was up for days at a time without sleep. When I did sleep, I was clenching my teeth really hard. My jaw was just killing me when I would wake up.
 
@Jkph75

I was just wondering if they did the inner ear antibody panel, or did things specific to lupus, etc? They also can look for genetic markers that make one susceptible to autoimmune attacks in the inner ear (can't remember the name, but it might be the HLA's). I did have one of those markers, even though it does not guarantee the imminence of an autoimmune reaction.

I also doubt (and with great hope doubt) that you have a systemic autoimmune disorder like lupus, however (you would be in far worse shape), but it might be useful to read about all of the autoimmune disorders that can cause hearing loss just to see if there are any similarities:
http://vestibular.org/autoimmune-inner-ear-disease-aied

I think you should also wait and see what no sugar and no gluten do in the long run. It is quite possible to have some level of intolerance to gluten which can show up as an allergy-like autoimmune reaction in the inner ear. Sugar is bad...(well sugar is always bad, so it's always good to cut back) but it can contribute to hydrops, I think by affecting the insulin levels and not just because of the solute level directly. You may also want to cut down on dairy consumption..I have heard stories of people who developed autoimmune inner ear disease as a result of a mild milk allergy.
Eliminating both did help me to some degree, at least to cut down on the number of migraine attacks in my inner ears (sugar also feeds bacteria and could have been feeding my lyme).
And make sure that the neurologist considers the vascular possibility too in your neck. It's unlikely, but it's definitely worth getting ruled out.

On the hydrops question. I really don't know what is going on with my ears, and never have. I have the same kind of droning tinnitus as you have right now...24/7, I can feel vibrations and fluid movement, and I am very quickly losing my low frequency hearing. My ears don't necessarily feel full, but they have in the past and I have had definite periods of hydrops-like episodes.
I think, if there is hydrops now, it is likely due to lyme in my inner ears/ nerves or possibly due to ototoxicity from topomax. It may not even be hydrops at all, but some kind of vascular insufficiency (I do have orthostatic problems) or middle ear muscle spasms; possibly even an effect from my SCM muscles being way too tight (oh yea, you should research that too just in case).
 
@Coyotesheaven

They gave me a HSP70 to test for anti-Cochlear antibodies. I believe they looked for other autoimmune disorders. I didn't any genetic tests and wasn't offered any. How did you get them? I would like them just to know if the deafness I was born with in the other ear is genetic.

I ate terribly during my pregnancy. I had ridiculous amounts of sugar. There were several days in which I polished off a box of cookies in one day. I have no excuse for myself. I knew better. Prior to this, I would say my diet was ok but not great. I don't eat fast food and cook most meals from scratch but I ate whatever amount of salt and sugar that I wanted to. I have never really had any health problems, so I never thought too much about it. During my pregnancy, I developed allergies. I thought that this was strange but didn't think much of it. Then my hands started falling asleep. I had some sort of pregnancy induced carpal tunnel. I have had IBS for years but it hasn't bothered me in a long time. Now I have to have a colonoscopy due to bowel issues. I am starting to get the sense that there is a whole lot of inflammation in me even though it isn't showing up in the blood tests.

This droning noise went away after I saw a NUCCA Dr. It is starting to make its way back now. I went to the Dr again so hopefully that will keep it at bay. This noise isn't like the other ones. I think it has a different nature. I just don't know what it is.
 
@Jkph75

I think I had about the same tests as you did. I think I was confused about the 'marker' because it was not a gene, so I have not had genetic testing. I unfortunately wouldn't know how to obtain genetic screening tests, but that is something you could ask your Dr. about.

From the story you are telling me though, it really does seem like you have some kind of inflammation/ autoimmune over-reaction problems granted that you developed allergies and all the rest. Maybe it's time to see a rheumatologist if you have not already?
I think you should also continue with your good dieting and eliminating pro-inflammation foods like sugar, gluten, and dairy.
I wouldn't think to worry too much about your indulgences you had during your pregnancy though; everyone spirals into a sugar craze at some point or another! It may have temporarily contributed to another ongoing problem (which could be autoimmune in your case), but I doubt your eating habits did anything detrimental in the long run.
For the record, I used to eat horribly (lots of crap and vast quantities of crap) and my eating choices have at most had a mild, transient effect on my health problems, but they never caused them. Frankly, I have felt sicker eating one of the healthiest diets that 'Murica has to offer!
 
@Coyotesheaven

You had the HSP70 and tested positive?

I did see a rheumatologist. He ran blood work and said that I so not have an autoimmune disorder. So far everything has been a dead end.

Have you had tinnitus 24/7 since your onset?
 
@Jkph75

Huh, surprised they didn't find anything. Did they ever think of some strange manifestation of fibromyalgia? Not sure of that is your case but it could be mine. From what my friend told me (who has fibro) most physicians, even rheumatologists, miss that diagnosis a lot because it has very diverse presentations. It's pretty common though, and many people with fibro get a lot of weird hearing issues, both under and oversensitive hearing.

My HSP70 test was negative. I was negative for all other autoimmune disorders they tested, and just had the single marker for autoimmune inner ear disease. In a recent test they did find something wrong with one of my leukocyte counts (too low), so my immune system is stressed and they think I may (or may not) have some kind of chronic infection.

I have had the high frequency tinnitus since 2013, as a result of loud music. It got more prevalent after a firecracker blew up in my face in early 2015. I have experienced the low frequency tinnitus before August, but only once or twice after a migraine or 'noise injury' for a few hours. Nowadays I get it off and on every day in my right ear; it has stopped in my left ear, however.

I have just realized that my low frequency tinnitus and hearing loss (and other neurological issues) may have something to do with my vagus nerve, actually. I was lightly scratching the outside of my ear to clean it, and my eardrums (or something) started twitching and I lost more low frequency hearing; my ears are also in quite a bit of pain now. The vagus nerve runs right through that spot in the outer ear where I was scratching, and I know it is responsible for making your eardrum optimally receptive to sound somehow.

I would not try the experiment of scratching that area of the ear yourself. Could (distantly, but plausibly) have something to do with your tinnitus too though I don't know. Do you sleep on your side by chance (on one of your ears?). And are your muscles really tense all the time around your face and jaw?
 
@Coyotesheaven

What test gave you a marker for AIED? I don't have fibromyalgia. I don't really have any of the symptoms, i.e. I'm not tired, my joints don't hurt. I don't know anything anymore, except that my tinnitus has been worse lately.

The drone is back on. It came back full force when I got upset earlier and then went away. I am laying down now and it is back on full force. I noticed that it comes on when I get upset. It seems like it is taking longer to go away. I don't think that this means that I have low frequency hearing loss that is going away and coming back. I don't think you do either. Something else is at work here. I also don't think you did anything with your scratch. The muscle around my jaw are tense but I don't think that could create such a huge sound. Is your drone really loud? Mine is like I am standing next to a large truck or something.
 
@Jkph75

Yes, it's the same thing with me where if I get upset or show emotions via facial expressions and attitude, especially angry, the droning noise sets in. My droning noise can be relatively loud (can feel like sitting next to the fridge), but right now it is just a dull, ominous humming noise that is not debilitating; it is not as loud as yours. I am so sorry that it is incredibly loud for you.
Today, I just was laughing at the TV (very funny prank series), which got my muscles all tensed up very quickly. Then I stopped hearing my parent's loud footsteps around the house and pretty much everything low frequency, even a jet flying overhead or a car coming into the driveway (yes the muffled hearing is very real, whether it is objective or not). Then I got angry from being cursed for laughing, began arguing with family members, and all the muscles in my neck and back became painfully tense, the droning increased, and my low frequency hearing went out again. As of right now the hearing has improved only a bit, and I still have the roaring, the nausea, and the extreme tension even though I have taken a klonopin and mentally feel calmer.

Pretty sure the very tight neck/ TMJ area muscles are constricting my nerves and/or blood vessels supplying the ear right now, and that is the real cause of my problems. I suspect that it is most likely a vascular effect because the droning noise I have is the same as the droning I get with my orthostatic problems (standing up too fast causes the roaring too).
Because your TMJ is really tight, I wonder if the same phenomenon applies to you. You may well not have fibro or a myofascial pain disorder. But problems with the TMJ area is a particular culprit for many things ear related, whether or not the joint itself is in bad shape. There are also the sternoclydomastoid (SCM) muscles that can have bizarre effect on the ears, including tinnitus and hearing loss, if they start constricting too much or going into spasm.

Just something to consider; I honestly don't have anything else to think of that could help you at the moment. If the tinnitus or ear problems are connected to your TMJ tension, the good news is that some of those effects could be reversible if you find a way to relax the muscles (and here I am also not yet of help because I am in uncharted waters regarding good treatments).
 
@Mario martz

Subjective hearing loss is very real, perceptively, to the person experiencing it. Many people with TMJ disorders that has affected their ears, for instance, will not understand conversation, will have to turn the TV volume up, etc. A problem with their hearing may never show up on the audiograms, but the subjective loss affects their lives much in the same way that hearing loss affects people with objective hearing loss.

Audiograms are also reasonably flawed tests to begin with. They cannot find hidden hearing losses, they often have a limited frequency range that only covers the most rudimentary range of human speech (which is a really dumb decision, in my opinion, when you have a tinnitus sufferer or someone who could well have early Meniere's or an autoimmune problem), and furthermore they are inconsistent. If you get an audiogram performed in one office vs, another, there can be a substantial amount of deviance in terms of the readings because of the different equipment used (different headphones) and the different testing environments. The margin of error is also very high even if you continued getting the audiogram under the same environmental conditions, and with the same machine because of the testee's mood, and other natural sources of error. Audiograms are therefore not as useful as many people think them to be, but unfortunately they are given too much credit by medical professionals and can lead to negligence of a real, life altering problem. (I can't begin to talk about all the problems and the high level of ignorance I have had to deal with when visiting the ENT's).

When it comes to hearing loss, subjective impairment, in my opinion, should be weighed over objective impairment and taken seriously. It is a hearing impairment and can interfere with functioning and well being in everyday life, even if it cannot be 'seen' or printed out in a particular pattern of ink (the audiogram, the ABR test, the OAE tests).
 
@Coyotesheaven

Unfortunately, the only logical source of my troubles is Meniere's Disease. The noises I hear are incredibly loud. Tight muscles could not cause a noise as loud as this. My hearing in the high frequencies has decreased. I am going to go deaf. If I could figure out why I have this i might be able to do something about it but so far everything has led to a dead end. Who did you see to look into your vascular issues? I suppose that is the only thing left for me to do.

Sounds like a change in environments might help decrease your stress. I am sorry that you are dealing with this at this point in your life. I guess we don't get to choose these things. God help all of us.
 
@Jkph75

I think tight muscles could cause tinnitus and hearing loss if they are tight enough to disrupt blood or fluid flow (in the ears); how they would cause constricted blood flow, I do not know exactly, but I know they cause ear problems. The fact that you get that noise when you like down when you pressure on your neck and the back of your head concerns me. Take a look at this article (about SCM muscles in particular):

http://www.triggerpointtherapist.co.../sternocleidomastoid-trigger-points-migraine/

I'm certain that overly tight muscles are my problems right now; fell asleep with too many pillows behind me at 7 am; woke up 2 hours later with horrible TMJ pain and neck pain (extreme muscle tension to the point where mouth opening was nearly impossible), and I was even more deaf in both the low and high frequencies; oh yea, my heart seemed to migrate to my small intestine at one point, that was weird. I do not have a Meniere's or an autoimmune problem; just tight muscles doing something strange to my inner ears! This was bound to happen to me at some point; the anxiety disorder, the anger, the stress over the entirety of my life has made everything so tense.

I would suggest getting your upper cervical spine examined in conjunction with your neck and TMJ muscles, by going to an orthopedic doctor who specializes in cervical disorders (don't go to a chiropractor, they could make your problems much worse if they do any kind of adjustments). If you have something going on in the cervical spine, even from some small misalignment, that can lead to Meniere's symptoms (dizziness, vertigo, the whooshing, hearing loss), and it's one of the reasons why people with certain neck injuries from accidents go deaf or get Meniere's. I know you don't have a recountable neck injury, but you did mention that you had C1 and C2 misalignment and that you have bone spurs, and I'm almost wondering whether something happened when you were pregnant (with all the strange weight distributions). That can definitely lead to ear problems. I also think I mentioned before that the basilar artery can be compressed in rare cases when your neck is out of alignment, and that is the artery that eventually differentiates to supply the inner ears. That is not my case, but it may well be yours. Your issues do really seem to be vascular now that I think about it.
When you get to see a specialist, make sure to request an MRA (it's basically an MRI) ordered of your neck and head to look for any compression of your arteries, in particular the vertebral (basilar) artery in your neck (you will need a referral for that).

Other than that I would start following Meniere's protocols in the meantime (ask glynis or someone on this forum about further advice for treatments that do not require a prescription, or use online resources). You have already been reducing your salt and sugar intake, which is good. I would also start drinking a lots of water to keep the fluids moving as well.

I'm so sorry to hear that your condition is deteriorating, and I hope any of the advice I have provided might be of some help. Hang in there, and please let me know of any updates!
 
I have a low frequency that comes and goes. Now it is constant and 10xs louder when I lay down. It sounds like a foghorn or tugboat. Does anyone know what this is or why it is so loud when I lay down? I can't get any doctor to listen to me. As soon as I mention the tinnitus sounds their eyes just glass over.


If it's 10x louder when lying down I found someone claiming to have an explanation for your type of etiology at doctissimo (middle ear less oxygenated), but it seems to have more rules and logic than merely louder when supine:


http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/troubles-orl/crepitements-oreille-droite-sujet_9167_6.htm#t51156

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Hello to you,

I found an interesting testimony on the forum of France Tinnitus in relation to the problems of eustachian tube. In reality, it's quite close to my case since the person suffers from both whistles and buzzing (at home, it is more cracklings or sizzling but sometimes it can go as far as buzzing).
The ENT explains that there is both an impairment of the cochlea cells for whistling and that it is therefore necessary to protect its inner ear which is quickly fatigued by external noises and that the buzzing is due to pressure problems Which can be resolved with drugs to clear the sinuses or anti-inflammatories.
As I always have a little sinusitis and that my cracklings are more genious at the beginning of the day (the immobilism of the night could increase the pressure in the ear), I wonder if there is not a track To explore with a longer treatment (I had tried treatments type "exomuc" but on short periods)?

Have a good day,
Ludo

Copy of the testimony of the forum FA:

"I recovered notes that I had taken with my ENT in 2003:
I noted my questions and answers (note: I have rarely seen such a good ENT, giving time to patients and finding real solutions). I remember that it has cured me and I have not this problem for 3 years.

My findings and answers (all obvious in my case):
1) the buzzing does not increase if the ambient noise has been strong (eg lawnmower), unlike whistling: "Normal, there is no connection with the cochlea".
2) the buzzing appears in the supine position and becomes more and more strong with time: "Exact, the middle ear is less oxygenated".
3) the buzzing becomes louder if you nose your nose by pushing the air: "Yes, you increase the pressure".
4) the hum disappears for 1 second by shaking the head and returning more intensely: "Exact" (see below).
5) the buzzing disappears for 1/2 second if one swallows: "Yes, in the case of painful otitis, the child by his cree decreases the pressure of the middle ear by opening his mouth. Buzzing but you should open your mouth longer "(see below).
6) the buzz increases if you do a nose wash: "Normal, water goes into the Eustachian tubes".

Other findings:
- The first time, it disappeared after a month from the taking of Fluimicil and Pyvalone: "Yes, these drugs do not prevent the buzz but limits the risks of a sinusitis, creating an inflammation causing by implication the hum" .
- It disappeared simultaneously with the use of anti-inflammatory and decontractyl: "The decontractors diminish globally the inflammations on the whole body and also on the ears".
- It disappeared with weight loss of about 5 kg.
- If you push the air by plugging your nose, it is always the left ear that slams first: "Yes, according to my examination, the Eustachian tube of your right ear is physically undersized by Compared to the left one ".

His remarks:

This buzzing has nothing to do with the other tinnitus coming from the cochlea. The problem is actually in the middle ear. This cavity connected to the eardrum needs to be oxygenated. Every 7 minutes, in a vertical position, the Eustachian tube opens by reflex and rebalances the pressure by oxygenating the middle ear.

In the lying position, the openings are less frequent. This results in excessive humidification of the internal walls of this cavity due to lack of oxygen. At the same time, the internal pressure rises. The ear stifles ...
The buzzing appears as a sign of "anomaly". The latter will be systematic if the mucous membranes are in inflammation because of an excess of mucus (for example: a small sinusitis even imperceptible).

The swelling of the mucous membranes narrows the opening of the Eustachian tube. The frequency slowing down of the "oxygenation sequences" of the inner ear creates abnormal "hygrometry" in the middle ear cavity. This doubles as an overpressure in shift with the rest of the bone walls and other cavities. This phenomenon is responsible for the creation of a buzz (sound refraction and electroacoustic phenomenon).
The example of the head in a plastic bag filled with fog is like the buzzing of the middle ear when lying down.
The middle ear is breathing! This "mist" acts by "gravity" on the internal walls and can accumulate in liquid glares. This mist is a natural reaction due to accumulation of carbonic "micro-gases".

Swallowing momentarily stops the "refractive process" as by swallowing, the jaw muscles pull the tissues and nerves gravitating around the ear downwards.

1) This releases the Eustachian tube by opening it, thus temporarily suppressing the overpressure responsible in part for buzzing (this overpressure comes back as soon as the Eustachian tube is closed because the "micro-gases" are not eliminated for The "deposits" stored in the middle ear are still there after the swallowing, because the "architectural" structure of the middle ear returns to its original state pathological.

2) The muscular contraction of the jaw strongly modifies the shape of the tissue structure in inflammation around the ear and thus modifies or very briefly suppresses the resonance of this buzzing, resulting from a permanent and prolonged static state.

Important: Shaking your head temporarily eliminates the hum.

Indeed, these are accumulated abnormally on the bottom of the walls of the middle ear. The rotation of the head changes the "center of gravity" of each molecule of water. They are now "tossed" and "destabilized". Not accumulating more between them to form this "chemical binder", the movement of the head interrupts the humming mechanism by the action of this micro-centrifugal force.

Since the water molecules are not static, they act differently in terms of their impact in pressure and therefore in "gravity" on these walls. It must be remembered that this "pressure" between the walls is due to an excess of "fog or carbon dioxide".
This micro-physical phenomenon of movement prevents this resonance (echo).
This echo is created by excessive capillary contact of the micro-inflammations.
These are also vascularized between them. Let us not forget that the vascularization comes from the blood pressure. This regular pressure of the blood in the capillaries is repeated several times in different walls abnormally contiguous, which generates an echo phenomenon of audible blood circulation.
These micro-inflammations combined with blood pressure create an objective tinnitus.

This "pressure" is therefore gravitationally less important during the rotation of the head. Decreased, it does not create this sound refraction (audible buzzing conductivity). The total center of gravity of the middle ear is temporarily altered here.
Unfortunately, the return to immobility accentuates the buzz. Indeed, this structure now at rest, allows all the molecules tumbled to get better gathered together.
They are now more numerous on the basis of the cavity of the middle ear, the part most susceptible to buzzing.

This mechanism corresponds to the same law as that of the thermal conductivity of materials, except that in this case it is a sound conductivity.
In order not to hear the "noises" of his body, the ear has naturally been isolated in a cavity tight to parasitic sounds.
If the walls of this cavity are abnormally in contact with another wall, connected to the rest of the body. The very small parasitic noises are increased and perceived by the inner ear. It is the same case in the sound conductivity which amplifies the sound of a small mechanical musical instrument in contact with wood (sound box).


It is a set of conditions that creates the buzz:
- Reclining position.
- Inflammation due to a small sinusitis which creates by communication an inflammation in the middle ear.
- A weight gain increasing the adipose tissues thus "stifling" the space of freedom and effectiveness of the Eustachian tube.
- Accumulation of mucus, mucus and "carbonic mist" in the middle ear and on the Eustachian tube.
- Increased internal pressure of the middle ear.
=> All these elements create a mechanical and chemical reaction whose consequences are buzzing.

Anatomical recall:
The nasal passages are aerial ducts which open outwards through the orifices of the nostrils, and towards the rear communicate with the oral cavity through two orifices. They are separated by a median partition consisting of bone and cartilage. On their lateral wall, three horns curved in volutes cover a space where the sinus drainage orifices open, cavities communicating with the nasal fossae.
The mucosa that covers the different structures of the nose and sinuses has different properties depending on its location. At the level of the inferior horn, it is very vascularized and formed of a tissue capable of filling and emptying blood according to a regular cycle. Alternately on one side and the other to maintain a comfortable overall nasal permeability. Different factors can disrupt this balance: infections of course, but also weight gain, high blood pressure for example. The entire nanosinus mucosa is covered with a transparent film, the mucus, directed backwards towards the digestive tracts and swallowed without anyone noticing it. "
 
If it's 10x louder when lying down I found someone claiming to have an explanation for your type of etiology at doctissimo (middle ear less oxygenated), but it seems to have more rules and logic than merely louder when supine:


http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/troubles-orl/crepitements-oreille-droite-sujet_9167_6.htm#t51156

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Hello to you,

I found an interesting testimony on the forum of France Tinnitus in relation to the problems of eustachian tube. In reality, it's quite close to my case since the person suffers from both whistles and buzzing (at home, it is more cracklings or sizzling but sometimes it can go as far as buzzing).
The ENT explains that there is both an impairment of the cochlea cells for whistling and that it is therefore necessary to protect its inner ear which is quickly fatigued by external noises and that the buzzing is due to pressure problems Which can be resolved with drugs to clear the sinuses or anti-inflammatories.
As I always have a little sinusitis and that my cracklings are more genious at the beginning of the day (the immobilism of the night could increase the pressure in the ear), I wonder if there is not a track To explore with a longer treatment (I had tried treatments type "exomuc" but on short periods)?

Have a good day,
Ludo

Copy of the testimony of the forum FA:

"I recovered notes that I had taken with my ENT in 2003:
I noted my questions and answers (note: I have rarely seen such a good ENT, giving time to patients and finding real solutions). I remember that it has cured me and I have not this problem for 3 years.

My findings and answers (all obvious in my case):
1) the buzzing does not increase if the ambient noise has been strong (eg lawnmower), unlike whistling: "Normal, there is no connection with the cochlea".
2) the buzzing appears in the supine position and becomes more and more strong with time: "Exact, the middle ear is less oxygenated".
3) the buzzing becomes louder if you nose your nose by pushing the air: "Yes, you increase the pressure".
4) the hum disappears for 1 second by shaking the head and returning more intensely: "Exact" (see below).
5) the buzzing disappears for 1/2 second if one swallows: "Yes, in the case of painful otitis, the child by his cree decreases the pressure of the middle ear by opening his mouth. Buzzing but you should open your mouth longer "(see below).
6) the buzz increases if you do a nose wash: "Normal, water goes into the Eustachian tubes".

Other findings:
- The first time, it disappeared after a month from the taking of Fluimicil and Pyvalone: "Yes, these drugs do not prevent the buzz but limits the risks of a sinusitis, creating an inflammation causing by implication the hum" .
- It disappeared simultaneously with the use of anti-inflammatory and decontractyl: "The decontractors diminish globally the inflammations on the whole body and also on the ears".
- It disappeared with weight loss of about 5 kg.
- If you push the air by plugging your nose, it is always the left ear that slams first: "Yes, according to my examination, the Eustachian tube of your right ear is physically undersized by Compared to the left one ".

His remarks:

This buzzing has nothing to do with the other tinnitus coming from the cochlea. The problem is actually in the middle ear. This cavity connected to the eardrum needs to be oxygenated. Every 7 minutes, in a vertical position, the Eustachian tube opens by reflex and rebalances the pressure by oxygenating the middle ear.

In the lying position, the openings are less frequent. This results in excessive humidification of the internal walls of this cavity due to lack of oxygen. At the same time, the internal pressure rises. The ear stifles ...
The buzzing appears as a sign of "anomaly". The latter will be systematic if the mucous membranes are in inflammation because of an excess of mucus (for example: a small sinusitis even imperceptible).

The swelling of the mucous membranes narrows the opening of the Eustachian tube. The frequency slowing down of the "oxygenation sequences" of the inner ear creates abnormal "hygrometry" in the middle ear cavity. This doubles as an overpressure in shift with the rest of the bone walls and other cavities. This phenomenon is responsible for the creation of a buzz (sound refraction and electroacoustic phenomenon).
The example of the head in a plastic bag filled with fog is like the buzzing of the middle ear when lying down.
The middle ear is breathing! This "mist" acts by "gravity" on the internal walls and can accumulate in liquid glares. This mist is a natural reaction due to accumulation of carbonic "micro-gases".

Swallowing momentarily stops the "refractive process" as by swallowing, the jaw muscles pull the tissues and nerves gravitating around the ear downwards.

1) This releases the Eustachian tube by opening it, thus temporarily suppressing the overpressure responsible in part for buzzing (this overpressure comes back as soon as the Eustachian tube is closed because the "micro-gases" are not eliminated for The "deposits" stored in the middle ear are still there after the swallowing, because the "architectural" structure of the middle ear returns to its original state pathological.

2) The muscular contraction of the jaw strongly modifies the shape of the tissue structure in inflammation around the ear and thus modifies or very briefly suppresses the resonance of this buzzing, resulting from a permanent and prolonged static state.

Important: Shaking your head temporarily eliminates the hum.

Indeed, these are accumulated abnormally on the bottom of the walls of the middle ear. The rotation of the head changes the "center of gravity" of each molecule of water. They are now "tossed" and "destabilized". Not accumulating more between them to form this "chemical binder", the movement of the head interrupts the humming mechanism by the action of this micro-centrifugal force.

Since the water molecules are not static, they act differently in terms of their impact in pressure and therefore in "gravity" on these walls. It must be remembered that this "pressure" between the walls is due to an excess of "fog or carbon dioxide".
This micro-physical phenomenon of movement prevents this resonance (echo).
This echo is created by excessive capillary contact of the micro-inflammations.
These are also vascularized between them. Let us not forget that the vascularization comes from the blood pressure. This regular pressure of the blood in the capillaries is repeated several times in different walls abnormally contiguous, which generates an echo phenomenon of audible blood circulation.
These micro-inflammations combined with blood pressure create an objective tinnitus.

This "pressure" is therefore gravitationally less important during the rotation of the head. Decreased, it does not create this sound refraction (audible buzzing conductivity). The total center of gravity of the middle ear is temporarily altered here.
Unfortunately, the return to immobility accentuates the buzz. Indeed, this structure now at rest, allows all the molecules tumbled to get better gathered together.
They are now more numerous on the basis of the cavity of the middle ear, the part most susceptible to buzzing.

This mechanism corresponds to the same law as that of the thermal conductivity of materials, except that in this case it is a sound conductivity.
In order not to hear the "noises" of his body, the ear has naturally been isolated in a cavity tight to parasitic sounds.
If the walls of this cavity are abnormally in contact with another wall, connected to the rest of the body. The very small parasitic noises are increased and perceived by the inner ear. It is the same case in the sound conductivity which amplifies the sound of a small mechanical musical instrument in contact with wood (sound box).


It is a set of conditions that creates the buzz:
- Reclining position.
- Inflammation due to a small sinusitis which creates by communication an inflammation in the middle ear.
- A weight gain increasing the adipose tissues thus "stifling" the space of freedom and effectiveness of the Eustachian tube.
- Accumulation of mucus, mucus and "carbonic mist" in the middle ear and on the Eustachian tube.
- Increased internal pressure of the middle ear.
=> All these elements create a mechanical and chemical reaction whose consequences are buzzing.

Anatomical recall:
The nasal passages are aerial ducts which open outwards through the orifices of the nostrils, and towards the rear communicate with the oral cavity through two orifices. They are separated by a median partition consisting of bone and cartilage. On their lateral wall, three horns curved in volutes cover a space where the sinus drainage orifices open, cavities communicating with the nasal fossae.
The mucosa that covers the different structures of the nose and sinuses has different properties depending on its location. At the level of the inferior horn, it is very vascularized and formed of a tissue capable of filling and emptying blood according to a regular cycle. Alternately on one side and the other to maintain a comfortable overall nasal permeability. Different factors can disrupt this balance: infections of course, but also weight gain, high blood pressure for example. The entire nanosinus mucosa is covered with a transparent film, the mucus, directed backwards towards the digestive tracts and swallowed without anyone noticing it. "
@Coyotesheaven
Did you see this? What do you think? Do you think this could apply to you?
 
If the Eustachian stays open (Patulous) as from physical abnormality, one will likely experience another type of objective tinnitus: described as an ocean roar or hollow effect, like a sea shell
It's amazing how my ENT, a qualified professional, didn't even bring this up a possibility. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Karl.

With one ear, I get a full-feeling, pressure, like air being trapped, and as I lie on my back writing this I have the exact 'hollow' effect you mentioned. Like a low hum. I'm going to mention this to my dentist - I know he's not the exact one I need, but he's the one I'm seeing next week and I'm sure he's had it asked before!

Investigate TMJ. Read my posts on it. Maybe you are clencing / grinding on your teeth at night.
If it's fluctuating you are Lucky. Much better to handle than same volume T all day.
Investigate your neck as well. See a neck and face therapist to spot if something is misaligned or stuck.
Hi Codaz, would you really recommend a chiropractor? I never zero experience with them and have little knowledge, but I presumed they were quackery. On the other side though, I know my posture isn't great, and I know I get muscular pain in my back every few months when waking up, which makes it painful to turn my head. I've also been feeling a mild pain, like a tense pain, in my jaw the past week or so.
 
@Jkph75

It's always a possibility because my eustachian tubes are not working very well, partially due to my tight neck muscles. But I am most certainly having vascular issues (my head is literally not getting enough blood flow) so I think there is still an inner ear component.
 
and to you? you opened the thread with one of the requirements, that the rumbling be much higher when lying down.
Yes, it could. I lay on my left side to sleep and my right nostril only is stuffed up every morning. I can hardly ever breath out of that nostril, though I only have a very slight deviated septum. The tissues in my nasal cavity seems to be inflamed only on that side. No one can explain this to me. I have had this problem longer than the t or hearing problems. The drugs mentioned are not available in the US.
 
@Jkph75

It's always a possibility because my eustachian tubes are not working very well, partially due to my tight neck muscles. But I am most certainly having vascular issues (my head is literally not getting enough blood flow) so I think there is still an inner ear component.
Don't they have drugs for that?

My low frequency loss at 250hz went down to 40db but no one seems concerned. Whatever this is seems to have worked it's way from my middle ear to my inner ear.
 
@Jkph75

There are steroidal nasal sprays to try to open the passages. Not that they would help muscle-induced eustachian tube problems though. Another ear related problem that seems tackle-able but something doctors and researchers are also stubborn about.

Um, that hearing loss seems rapid...I would try a trial of prednisone asap and see what happens. If it responds rapidly you will have some ideas (autoimmune hearing losses will respond particularly well, or if there was eustachian tube swelling).
 
@Jkph75

There are steroidal nasal sprays to try to open the passages. Not that they would help muscle-induced eustachian tube problems though. Another ear related problem that seems tackle-able but something doctors and researchers are also stubborn about.

Um, that hearing loss seems rapid...I would try a trial of prednisone asap and see what happens. If it responds rapidly you will have some ideas (autoimmune hearing losses will respond particularly well, or if there was eustachian tube swelling).
I began using the steroid nasal spray a few weeks ago. It has helped me to open up my eustachian tube more often. I probably have muscle induced problems as well. I haven't heard of any remedy for that.

I have been on a low dose of Prednisone almost this whole time. I have a prescription for a high dose taper that I will be getting tomorrow. I'm scared to take it because my kids are sick and I'm starting to get sick too. Idk what it will do to me. I'm scared to not take it, because I'm afraid that my hearing won't come back.
 
@Coyotesheaven

What is a good dosing for something like this? It doesn't technically qualify as a sudden hearing loss.

Could inflamed eustachian tubes actually cause the loss of hearing at 250hz?
 
@Jkph75

Concerning prednisone you need to ask your doctor. I cannot give advice there. My tapers usually start at 30-60 mg a day. But you need to follow physician advice because prednisone is dangerous. Also, don't abruptly stop taking it or taper down too fast if you can help it, especially if you start on a higher dose. It can cause all kinds of whack if you do either.

I think eustachian tubes can cause low frequency issues, yes, but I am concerned because of the inner ear problems in your case. It's because the lack of sufficient air pressure in the middle ear causes the eardrums to bend in a little, and they wont be as good as transmitting sound...and that can often include the low frequencies. But like I said IDK if that's all that is going on here.
 
@Jkph75

Concerning prednisone you need to ask your doctor. I cannot give advice there. My tapers usually start at 30-60 mg a day. But you need to follow physician advice because prednisone is dangerous. Also, don't abruptly stop taking it or taper down too fast if you can help it, especially if you start on a higher dose. It can cause all kinds of whack if you do either.

I think eustachian tubes can cause low frequency issues, yes, but I am concerned because of the inner ear problems in your case. It's because the lack of sufficient air pressure in the middle ear causes the eardrums to bend in a little, and they wont be as good as transmitting sound...and that can often include the low frequencies. But like I said IDK if that's all that is going on here.
I have a 50mg/day prescription for a month that I got from another Dr. who basically said that I could do what I want with it. My ear drs wouldn't give me anything. I don't think I need to take it that long. Just wanted to see what was given for something similar.

I agree. I think there would be a greater level of pressure on my Tympanometry test if that were the case. So, what do you think is going on here? Any suggestions on anything else to try? Really at this point, your guess is as good as anyone elses. My world class Otologist (and I'm not joking here) said that I just have a fluctuating conductive loss and that I should just ignore it. He's not concerned about my inner ear. Idk where I would get a fluctuating conductive loss with no fluid in my middle ear ever. I'm not sure how a drop in my sensory neural hearing that big doesn't register any concerns. I feel like I might be able to do something about this if I could figure out what is happening here. Thanks for helping. I need all that I can get.
 

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