I would imagine that it would vary from brand to brand. I use oxide, others find it causes the runs at higher doses.
Magnesium
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That's as good as an empty pill! "Results indicated relatively poor bioavailability of magnesium oxide (fractional absorption 4 per cent) but significantly higher and equivalent bioavailability of magnesium chloride, magnesium lactate and magnesium aspartate." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11794633 Upgrade your form of magnesium!
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Hi all,
I'm wondering if magnesium supplements may be something for me and I have a couple of questions.
Do you just try a supplement and see if it works? Or do you have a blood test taken first to see if you're deficient? Any levels I should aim at?
I've looked up a Dutch article on resolving a magnesium deficiency and it suggested as list of foods rich in magnesium: green vegetables, whole wheat products, soy products, nuts, cocoa and shellfish. All of which I eat almost daily, except for the shellfish. Would adding a supplement still make sense?
Thanks.
I'm wondering if magnesium supplements may be something for me and I have a couple of questions.
Do you just try a supplement and see if it works? Or do you have a blood test taken first to see if you're deficient? Any levels I should aim at?
I've looked up a Dutch article on resolving a magnesium deficiency and it suggested as list of foods rich in magnesium: green vegetables, whole wheat products, soy products, nuts, cocoa and shellfish. All of which I eat almost daily, except for the shellfish. Would adding a supplement still make sense?
Thanks.
Agreed.
I know all the negative press that oxide gets but it has been very helpful for me. I suspect it helps some and not others because it depends on the dosage and the cause of your tinnitus.
Not saying it is some sort of miracle cure but I hope to take it long term. So far, only good has come of it. I am sleeping well, the tinnitus is there but less intense and I've had days when it was nearly unnoticeable. I am very pleased.
Apart from the shellfish and soy products, I also eat all of these foods daily. But I have seen improvement from the addition of the supplement.
I suspect having a blood test is the proper way to go...but, frankly...I just tried the supplement. Doctors I've seen are so anti supplement. I have only been told that the tinnitus is forever and nothing will help. To help me with sleep they just want to prescribe sedatives which I don't want to take. So...
- May 24, 2017
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I have taken Magnesium before but I am a little hesitant beginning again, because unlike most I get energy from taking Magnesium to the point where I even experience trouble falling asleep at night, it does not have a relaxing effect on me.
Any others who have experienced this? I used to take Magnesium Oxide.
Any others who have experienced this? I used to take Magnesium Oxide.
Mg oxide is not well absorbed, and if you have gut issues, then you would be better off with topical magnesium or epsom salt foot baths.
I use mg taurate and do not have any adverse effects from this.
I use mg taurate and do not have any adverse effects from this.
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- Loud Music and being dumb
http://ac.els-cdn.com/S001448861730...t=1502137201_2d25b14ccda60b572d7be0daeadd7ffc
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014488617300456
Saturation of long-term potentiation in the dorsal cochlear nucleus and its pharmacological reversal in an experimental model of tinnitus
Highlights
Animal models have demonstrated that tinnitus is a pathology of dysfunctional excitability in the central auditory system, in particular in the dorsal cochlear nucleus (DCN) of the brainstem. We used a murine model and studied whether acoustic over-exposure leading to hearing loss and tinnitus, affects long-term potentiation (LTP) at DCN multisensory synapses. Whole cell and field potential recordings were used to study the effects on release probability and synaptic plasticity, respectively in brainstem slices. Shifts in hearing threshold were quantified by auditory brainstem recordings, and gap-induced prepulse inhibition of the acoustic startle reflex was used as an index for tinnitus. An increased release probability that saturated LTP and thereby induced metaplasticity at DCN multisensory synapses, was observed 4–5 days following acoustic over-exposure. Perfusion of an NMDA receptor antagonist or decreasing extracellular calcium concentration, decreased the release probability and restored LTP following acoustic over-exposure. In vivo administration of magnesium-threonate following acoustic over-exposure restored LTP at DCN multisensory synapses, and reduced gap detection deficits observed four months following acoustic over-exposure. These observations suggest that consequences of noise-induced metaplasticity could underlie the gap detection deficits that follow acoustic over-exposure, and that early therapeutic intervention could target metaplasticity and alleviate tinnitus.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014488617300456
Saturation of long-term potentiation in the dorsal cochlear nucleus and its pharmacological reversal in an experimental model of tinnitus
Highlights
- Acoustic over exposure increases the release probability and saturates long-term potentiation in the rat dorsal cochlear nucleus
- Acoustic over exposure triggers gap detection deficits, an experimental model of tinnitus
- Administration of magnesium-threonate following acoustic over-exposure restores long-term potentiation and reduces gap detection deficits
Animal models have demonstrated that tinnitus is a pathology of dysfunctional excitability in the central auditory system, in particular in the dorsal cochlear nucleus (DCN) of the brainstem. We used a murine model and studied whether acoustic over-exposure leading to hearing loss and tinnitus, affects long-term potentiation (LTP) at DCN multisensory synapses. Whole cell and field potential recordings were used to study the effects on release probability and synaptic plasticity, respectively in brainstem slices. Shifts in hearing threshold were quantified by auditory brainstem recordings, and gap-induced prepulse inhibition of the acoustic startle reflex was used as an index for tinnitus. An increased release probability that saturated LTP and thereby induced metaplasticity at DCN multisensory synapses, was observed 4–5 days following acoustic over-exposure. Perfusion of an NMDA receptor antagonist or decreasing extracellular calcium concentration, decreased the release probability and restored LTP following acoustic over-exposure. In vivo administration of magnesium-threonate following acoustic over-exposure restored LTP at DCN multisensory synapses, and reduced gap detection deficits observed four months following acoustic over-exposure. These observations suggest that consequences of noise-induced metaplasticity could underlie the gap detection deficits that follow acoustic over-exposure, and that early therapeutic intervention could target metaplasticity and alleviate tinnitus.
- May 24, 2017
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I bought Magnesium citrate and B12 vitamins from Solaray today (hey, that rimed 
)
Hope they can improve my T (and H?) slighty or if anything else just my general health.
)Hope they can improve my T (and H?) slighty or if anything else just my general health.
I bought Magnesium citrate and B12 vitamins from Solaray today (hey, that rimed
Hope they can improve my T (and H?) slighty or if anything else just my general health.
@TheDanishGirl
When I got tinnitus with severe hyperacusis many years ago a herbalist advised me to take magnesium citrate as it helps repair nerve damage. As I've mentioned before I had severe noise trauma and my whole head to was completely numb for months. Everything that I heard sounded as if I was under water. I thought I'd completely blew my hearing. I took magesium for many months and I believed it helped a lot. I also took Gingko Biloba in tincture form and still take it to this day.
Keep taking the magesium but it needs to be taken for a long time. Like all herbal and mineral medicines it starts with the route problem and takes time to build up in the body.
Michael
- May 24, 2017
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Thank you for the advice and for sharing your experience with taking this
No problem. I forgot to mention but you probably know. The auditory system is made up of mostly nerves so that's why it's a good idea to take the magnesim. If you can get a good quality Ginkgo Biloba in tincture form then I suggest you take it regularly. It will improve your hearing and can help tinnitus. I buy Avogel brand which is a very good quality which I get from Amazon in 100ml bottle. Dosage is 15 drops in a little water 3 times a day.
Dear Michael,
Any idea for how long I should try magnesium until it can be concluded that there is or isn't an effect?
I'm currently using 375mg per day, in addition to eating magnesium rich foods.
Thanks.
HI @walkthroughwalls
I would take magnesium for at least 6 months before looking for improvement.
Hope this helps
Michael
- May 24, 2017
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I will look into buying that!
How long will a 100ml. bottle last with this dosage? and could you take all 45 drops once, i'm afraid I would forget it if i had to take it 3 times a day.
Thanks very much!
I'm currently at... five days
Take Avogel Gingko biloba in tincture form (liquid). 100ml bottle dosage 15 drops in a little water 3 times a day. Get it from Amazon.
Michael
I will look into buying that!
@TheDanishGirl
I have never measured how long the 100ml bottle last but it's quite a while. It is also available in 50ml bottles. This is high quality Gingko Biloba one of the best. It is expensive in retail shops. I haven't seen it anywhere as cheap as Amazon. I strongly advise you to take the recommended dose as instructed. Gingko thins the blood and increases circulation to the extremities of the body: feet, hands and head including the auditory pathways. Studies have suggested that also helps with thinking and learning - for this reason it's known as the memory tree. If you take more than the recommended amount 15drops in water 3 times a day, you'll make yourself ill and will cause nose bleeds.
I get mine here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vogel-Gink...1&sr=8-1&keywords=a+vogel+ginkgo+biloba+100ml
Michael
Thanks for the recommendation. Please allow me to be a bit skeptical.
I'd have to get it from Amazon UK as the Dutch or German Amazon's don't have it. Then I'd have to try it for 3 to 6 months, probably? So it's a bit of an investment. Also, A.Vogel is mostly known over here for their homeopathic medicine (=water) with a dubious backstory. But if their Ginkgo Biloba is of a good quality, then that doesn't matter, I guess.
That aside, I cannot find any evidence that it actually works. In a scientific test it did just as well as the placebo. One Dutch site mentions that there have been very individual cases in which there was an improvement, but these stories can be found for everything from prayer to acupuncture.
I don't have a lot of money, so I can't spend money on anything that might possibly help somewhere somehow. Do you have any evidence that may convince me? If so, then I'd be happy to try it.
edit: Does Tinnitus Talk have an affiliation with Amazon? Just mentioning Amazon automatically changes the text into a link.
With respect @walkthroughwalls You are entitled to your opinion and therefore, don't blame you for being sceptical about Avogel Gingko biloba or any other brand that sells this product, if they were to claim it helps tinnitus which is something the makers of Avogel Gingo biloba don't. If one is looking for scientific evidence in a specific product that is guaranteed to help every individual that has tinnitus then they might have a long wait because we are all different.
In my experience with "noise induced" tinnitus, which I have had for over 20 years, I have found certain things work in helping me to cope with this condition. I have no doubt people that have had tinnitus for less time or longer than me will have their particular remedy or dare I say elixir! I have found a glass of brandy or merlot during the evening, for medicinal purposes, has helped me relax on many occasions when my tinnitus has been severely intrusive. Others may find alcohol exacerbates the condition. Hopefully @TheDanishGirl will find some benefit if she chooses to try Gingko Biloba - I said it's likely to improve hearing and may help tinnitus. Tinnitus is a personal journey and we each have to navigate our own path. If we get some advice along the way, we have a choice whether to try it or not.
I wish you well.
Michael
PS: When I first got tinnitus many years ago, more than one ENT doctor suggested I take Gingko Biloba. When I had a hearing test some 6 months later, my consultant was surprised to see my hearing was above average and has remind so till this day.
Thanks for your reply. I hope I didn't come across as aggressive or offensive, it certainly isn't meant that way
I also didn't want to discourage anyone else to use it. I'm merely trying to find out if it's something for me. I cannot try everything because of my limited resources, so I have to be selective. Right now, I haven't made my mind up and I'll keep an eye out for new information.And of course, I'm glad that it works for you and I hope too that @TheDanishGirl will benefit from Ginkgo Biloba
Thanks for your reply. I hope I didn't come across as aggressive or offensive, it certainly isn't meant that way
And of course, I'm glad that it works for you and I hope too that @TheDanishGirl will benefit from Ginkgo Biloba
HI @walkthroughwalls
You were not aggressive, offensive or impolite in any way in fact the opposite and I like that in a person. If you were then you might have seen another side of me that I reserve for some members that don't know the meaning of manners and to be respectful. You have passed with flying colours and showed how proper interaction and diologue should be conducted in forums even when we disagree or have an opinion on something that we wish to challenge, always be respectful. I salute you.
All the best
Michael
@Michael Leigh What kind of magnesium do you use? I got a couple jars of Mag Oxide but now not sure if that is the best form of it. There are so many choices; kind of confusing.
I would consider taking the Gingko Biloba - maybe I'll look in Whole Foods (or Whole Paycheck as we call it in the US) next time I go.
Also, I'd do all of these just as a healthy regimen, perhaps helping with sleep and memory, not necessarily to eradicate my T. If they help me feel/sleep better, it's all good.
Especially like the brandy/merlot option! I went to a wedding reception last weekend and had two vodka's with soda and then wine with dinner and never thought about my T and slept like a baby. At home sometimes a shot of vodka in my tart cherry juice extract (supposed to be a natural anti-inflammatory / source of melatonin) takes the edge off too.
I would consider taking the Gingko Biloba - maybe I'll look in Whole Foods (or Whole Paycheck as we call it in the US) next time I go.
Also, I'd do all of these just as a healthy regimen, perhaps helping with sleep and memory, not necessarily to eradicate my T. If they help me feel/sleep better, it's all good.
Especially like the brandy/merlot option! I went to a wedding reception last weekend and had two vodka's with soda and then wine with dinner and never thought about my T and slept like a baby. At home sometimes a shot of vodka in my tart cherry juice extract (supposed to be a natural anti-inflammatory / source of melatonin) takes the edge off too.
HI @Rosemerry
I hope that you are keeping well.
You have made me smile, as you especially like the brandy and merlot option. Hmm, there is a side you of I wasn't aware of, just kidding. If that helps you then I'm pleased for as I said we each have to find what works for us as tinnitus isn't easy to cope with when it's severe.
I don't take any magnesium suppliments now and haven't for quite a while. I took them regularly for around two years when I first got tinnitus 21 years ago and believed it helped. I eat plenty of green vegetables, as you know they have a lot of magnesium. The bottles of mag Oxide that you have sound fine so I would go with those. I agree with you that there are so many options it can get a bit confusing. A herbalist helped me in the early days by advising me to take magnesium citrate.
Hope you have a nice day.
Take care
Michael
I tried a few Magnesium tablets and found they upset my digestive process - I won't go into detail
. This Meg-Mag is the best I have found. You just drop it in a flavoured drink...don't spoil your Vodka with it !
Doesn't upset my stomach.
Makes you feel a bit sleepy and relaxed so maybe best at night.
Link to US Amazon site : -
https://www.amazon.com/Trace-Minera...HNEM/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1
Hope it helps
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I tried a few Magnesium tablets and found they upset my digestive process - I won't go into detail
I am glad you haven't gone there @Kelvin giving a full description how Magnesium tablets can affect some people. I shan't either but will leave it to one's imagination.
Hope you are keeping well.
Michael
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