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I'm not saying they arent smart and capable. I am saying we are potentially capable too. We dont have multi million dollar labs and access to genetically modified rodents, but they do and publish their results. The difference is that they have constraints related to planning and FDA regulations and we dont. It's as if there is an untapped synergy between people like them and us.

I would happily take the place of a healthy research monkey at this stage of the game. It might speed this whole thing along if the patient can actually communicate by other means than bashing on the lab windows and throwing toys around.
 
I'm not saying they arent smart and capable. I am saying we are potentially capable too. We dont have multi million dollar labs and access to genetically modified rodents, but they do and publish their results. The difference is that they have constraints related to planning and FDA regulations and we dont. It's as if there is an untapped synergy between people like them and us.

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Ly411575 is a gamma secretase inhibitor
EGCG is a gamma secretase inhibitor
Ly411575 can restore hair cells
EGCG (according to that paper) can restore hair cells.
Ly411575 can achieve this orally
EGCG can be taken orally, allegedly in high doses.

Next question is: can EGCG, taken orally, restore hair cells?
Frequency Therapeutics was able to administer Ly-411575 without any toxic side effects. To me, all we need to do is get a chemist here to modify the biostructure of the chemical makeup to where it is no longer toxic. Hell, we wouldn't even have to pay top dollar for it if we could make it ourselves.

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We could then take the med orally, no injection required.
 
Frequency Therapeutics was able to administer Ly-411575 without any toxic side effects. To me, all we need to do is get a chemist here to modify the biostructure of the chemical makeup to where it is no longer toxic. Hell, we wouldn't even have to pay top dollar for it if we could make it ourselves.

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We could then take the med orally, no injection required.
I know a chemical process engineer and he told me the reason it is probably toxic is the fluoride and nitrogen groups. That's all just speculation though.
 
I know a chemical process engineer and he told me the reason it is probably toxic is the fluoride and nitrogen groups. That's all just speculation though.
Can you link me to a paper with more information on the toxicity in mice? I'm not able to find anything more than a brief mention.

The safety sheet show that this is not considered hazardous or a carcinogen:
Carcinogenicity

IARC: No components of this product present at levels greater than or equal
to 0.1% is identified as probable, possible or confirmed human carcinogen.

BuzzyBeeIH: No components of this product present at levels greater than or
equal to 0.1% is identified as a carcinogen or potential carcinogen.

NTP: No components of this product present at levels greater than or equal
to 0.1% is identified as a known or anticipated carcinogen.

OSHA: No components of this product present at levels greater than or
equal to 0.1% is identified as a carcinogen or potential carcinogen.

Source:
https://www.reprocell.com/pub/media...s/1721/original/SDS-04-0054-LY411575-v1.2.pdf
 
Can you link me to a paper with more information on the toxicity in mice? I'm not able to find anything more than a brief mention.

The safety sheet show that this is not considered hazardous or a carcinogen:
Carcinogenicity

IARC: No components of this product present at levels greater than or equal
to 0.1% is identified as probable, possible or confirmed human carcinogen.

BuzzyBeeIH: No components of this product present at level
s greater than or
equal to 0.1% is identified as a carcinogen or potential carcinogen.

NTP: No components of this product present at levels greater than or equal
to 0.1% is identified as a known or anticipated carcinogen.

OSHA: No components of this produc
t present at levels greater than or
equal to 0.1% is identified as a carcinogen or potential carcinogen.

Source:
https://www.reprocell.com/pub/media...s/1721/original/SDS-04-0054-LY411575-v1.2.pdf

"Oral LY411575 at 50 mg/kg body weight for 5 d decreased the noise-induced threshold shift at 4, 8 and 16 kHz (Figure S2A). Outer hair cell numbers were increased and the new hair cells had stereociliary bundles (Figure S2B). The treated mice suffered significant side-effects (Figure S2B). A lower dose (10 mg/kg body weight) had no therapeutic benefit. "
and
"Due to the dose-limiting toxicity after systemic administration of the drug, we tested direct delivery to the inner ear via the round window membrane, a permeable cellular barrier between the middle and inner ear"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573859/

I clicked on supplemental data figure s2B.

"Of 12 mice administered 50 mg/kg for 5 d, 6 could be tested for ABR at 3 months, the final time point of the LY411575 treatment. The rest died within the first week due to severe diarrhea and weight loss. Mice that survived also suffered from weight loss (approximately 15% loss in 3 d), with a loss of epithelial cells of their stomach and increase in secreting cells in all gastro-intestinal tract from esophagus to colon and severe atrophy in the spleen in a week; immunosuppression with an atrophy of thymus (total number of the cells were dramatically decreased to 1/40 and double positive fraction of CD4 and CD8 was decreased from 78.6% to 1.23%), changes in the skin color in the next week. Those changes resulted from Notch inhibition reported by previous papers (Hadland et al., 2001; Wong et al., 2004)"


So it looks like it isn't itself toxic, but systemic (oral) administration of the notch inhibitor is the cause of unwanted side effects.

Maybe we are just going to have to wait for FrequencyTX to do their work and get FDA approved. :depressed:
Hopefully it doesn't take too much longer.

This is weird because I took large doses of curcumin for 3 weeks and that is also a notch inhibitor and it didn't give me tumors, or make my hair fall out. So I think the side effects in mice were not strictly cause by notch inhibition.
 
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"Oral LY411575 at 50 mg/kg body weight for 5 d decreased the noise-induced threshold shift at 4, 8 and 16 kHz (Figure S2A). Outer hair cell numbers were increased and the new hair cells had stereociliary bundles (Figure S2B). The treated mice suffered significant side-effects (Figure S2B). A lower dose (10 mg/kg body weight) had no therapeutic benefit. "
and
"Due to the dose-limiting toxicity after systemic administration of the drug, we tested direct delivery to the inner ear via the round window membrane, a permeable cellular barrier between the middle and inner ear"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573859/

I clicked on supplemental data figure s2B.

"Of 12 mice administered 50 mg/kg for 5 d, 6 could be tested for ABR at 3 months, the final time point of the LY411575 treatment. The rest died within the first week due to severe diarrhea and weight loss. Mice that survived also suffered from weight loss (approximately 15% loss in 3 d), with a loss of epithelial cells of their stomach and increase in secreting cells in all gastro-intestinal tract from esophagus to colon and severe atrophy in the spleen in a week; immunosuppression with an atrophy of thymus (total number of the cells were dramatically decreased to 1/40 and double positive fraction of CD4 and CD8 was decreased from 78.6% to 1.23%), changes in the skin color in the next week. Those changes resulted from Notch inhibition reported by previous papers (Hadland et al., 2001; Wong et al., 2004)"


So it looks like it isn't itself toxic, but systemic (oral) administration of the notch inhibitor is the cause of unwanted side effects.

Maybe we are just going to have to wait for FrequencyTX to do their work and get FDA approved. :depressed:
Hopefully it doesn't take too much longer.
1. severe diarrhea and weight loss
cheese straight off the block (think like a mouse, act like a mouse, be a mouse) and a water hat
2. loss of epithelial cells of their stomach
go gluten free bro
3. severe atrophy in the spleen
nobody needs that anyway
4. immunosuppression with an atrophy of thymus
get hand sanitizer and don't get sick
5. changes in the skin color
put on some makeup

There, I've solved all of the problems of the side effects. Does anyone want to be a test dummy?

(Yeah, fuck that. I'm waiting. :D)
 
Here's an awesome thing. Go look into how much better the rats could here after ly411575 compared with the control group. :confused:

Please someone tell me I'm wrong.
 
For some reason I spend a lot of time on this site. I think my brain somehow subconsciously thinks that it's gonna diminish my tinnitus (it won't, of course).
Ah well whatever
 
Is there any decent chance that hearing regeneration will also cure my ear pain, ear fullness and overall hearing distortion?

I think not only neurological problems like Yours but also vestibular problems, because expression of Atoh1 gene repairs also vestibular hair cells.

"Loss of auditory and vestibular hair cells is a common cause of hearing loss and balance disorders. A variety of strategies have been proposed to restore function to damaged inner ear neuroepithelium. Delivery of the atonal homolog, atoh1, has been demonstrated to induce recovery of auditory and vestibular hair cells using a variety of delivery methods and model systems. We have developed a mouse model of vestibular aminoglycoside ototoxicity and demonstrated that delivery of an advanced generation adenovector that expresses atoh1 results in the regeneration of vestibular hair cells. Additionally, mice treated with atoh1 recover balance function. Currently vestibular diseases have few treatment options and several lines of evidence suggest that regeneration of hair cells may be more easily accomplished in the vestibular system. Development of atoh1-based gene therapy for vestibular hair cell loss may provide an initial opportunity for developing gene therapy for inner ear disease."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19494572
 

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