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[TuxedoCat]

Now knowledge is publicly available and it is a choice not to know about hidden hearing loss, pain hyperacusis, and medicine on the horizon.

There is some truth to this. Let's say a particular audiologist does not see patients with Tinnitus or hyperacusis very often in his or her practice. It's unlikely that audiologist will spend any time reading about those conditions. On the other hand, if you are an ENT or audiologist in Florida near a large retirement community you will likely see many such patients and be more eager to keep up with news about those conditions.

 

[Contrast]

There is some truth to this. Let's say a particular audiologist does not see patients with Tinnitus or hyperacusis very often in his or her practice. It's unlikely that audiologist will spend any time reading about those conditions. On the other hand, if you are an ENT or audiologist in Florida near a large retirement community you will likely see many such patients and be more eager to keep up with news about those conditions.

What makes "Florida" so special?

 

[Contrast]

Correct me if I am wrong, but hyperacusis with pain is very rare.

 

[TuxedoCat]

The incidence of tinnitus in the US peaks in 60-70 year olds. You will find many people in that age range in Florida.

I'm not familiar with the demographics of hyperacusis, but since it usually accompanies tinnitus I would expect the incidence to be higher in age groups where tinnitus is prevalent. -TC

 

[JohnAdams]

How do you explain why some people have hearing loss and no tinnitus?

I have no exact idea. Maybe the way you get it is the determining factor. The thing about waking up and feeling good and having no tinnitus and waking up feeling bad with tinnitus being the gate is not a bad hypothesis but there are days when I what upbwithn tinnitus and I'm fine and as soon as I get up and start making coffee and stuff I feel fine. I think he's definitely onto something that definitely warrants further research that could open up a new world of management strategies for pain and depression, but, I think the regeneration of hearing is a far more appealing goal.

 

[JohnAdams]

The limbic system needs to be fixed too.

The limbic system MAY need to be fixed too. Here I fixed it for you.

 

[TuxedoCat]

I have no exact idea. Maybe the way you get it is the determining factor.

I know at least one audiologist who was taught that sometimes hearing loss is so gradual that the brain gets used to it slowly over time and therefore never produces a tinnitus signal. I will bet you that falls into one of those things that "they" say. Never quite figured out who the "they" is.

I think the regeneration of hearing is a far more appealing goal.

Its OK to have more than one goal. You've probably read more about hair cell regeneration then I have- will it be 100% restoration at all frequencies?

There may be differences of opinion among neuros about whether regenerating hair cells will take away tinnitus. The only way to find out is with clinical study.

The limbic system MAY need to be fixed too. Here I fixed it for you.

No you didn't. Even if hair cell regeneration takes the tinnitus away, my limbic system is still damaged and I am at increased risk for developing tinnitus again if I loose some hearing. So I want that fixed, thank you very much.

TC

 

[JohnAdams]

I know at least one audiologist who was taught that sometimes hearing loss is so gradual that the brain gets used to it slowly over time and therefore never produces a tinnitus signal.

I had that same idea.

Its OK to have more than one goal. You've probably read more about hair cell regeneration then I have- will it be 100% restoration at all frequencies?

That's a question we will have to wait for the answer to when Frequencytx and others working on this technology release their data. Plain and simple.

No you didn't. Even if hair cell regeneration takes the tinnitus away, my limbic system is still damaged and I am at increased risk for developing tinnitus again if I loose some hearing

You're taking this man's theories as fact. We just dont know these thing. Further experimentation is needed.

 

[TuxedoCat]

You're taking this man's theories as fact. We just dont know these thing. Further experimentation is needed.

It's my theory, too and I want it fixed and I will support further experimentation.

 

[Contrast]

The incidence of tinnitus in the US peaks in 60-70 year olds. You will find many people in that age range in Florida.

I'm not familiar with the demographics of hyperacusis, but since it usually accompanies tinnitus I would expect the incidence to be higher in age groups where tinnitus is prevalent. -TC

you are right, tbh I think most people who onset with noise induced/ototoxicity tinnitus experience "pain hyperacusis" early on, but it goes away.

It's probably rare for it to stick around permanently.

 

[TuxedoCat]

you are right, tbh I think most people who onset with noise induced/ototoxicity tinnitus experience "pain hyperacusis" early on, but it goes away.

It's probably rare for it to stick around permanently.

Thanks, Contrast. Its good to learn something new every day. -TC

 

[Contrast]

I argue that there are atleast two separate forms of hyperacusis. I'm actually convinced at this point.

1: hyperactivity in the auditory brain causing tinnitus, loudness amplification andpain in the trigeminal nerve

2: noise induced pain via cochlea type II afferents responding to OHC damage or lack of mylein around the AN nerve


The first one has a pathology shared with tinnitus, the second one is peripheral cochlear damage.

 

[Manny]

MuteButton or gone. Hopefully.

 

[Contrast]

I'm late to this but I started browsing MPP from page 1. It's like a crazy novel. Some really great stuff back there for some good laughs.

Welcome to the party. early MPP was so much better.

 

[85dB T]

Welcome to the party. early MPP was so much better.

The story of my life.

 

[Fabrikat]

Is anyone else very discouraged by the fact that Dr. Rauschecker had not ever heard of bimodal stimulation, and by what he said about the current state of tinnitus research in general.m

I am very, very discouraged right now. And I think it's accurate.

It's quite shocking @Manny! And I don't believe him.

If he's worked with Susan Shore up until relatively recently, there's no way he would not have been exposed to her theories. And there's been plenty of publicity about her and the University of Minnessota's research with bi-modal stimulation.

Either, as has been suggested, he's being polite and doesn't want to be dragged into criticism of her work, because he doesn't rate it's efficacy, or and this is sinking a bit, may be harbouring a little bit of professional animosity or even jealousy about its surging prominence.

Individuals in these labs may well be brilliant, but they're also human and are subject to the same interpersonal tensions as anywhere else.

If Dr. Rauschecker is the future of tinnitus research and who knows, he may well be, we will all be embittered, withered husks of human beings by the time he meanders around to a viable treatment.

When I feel discouraged, I look to the US Department of Defense. They are now prioritising the ear. Note where they're spending their money. Solutions may come from any direction, but it's hard to deny that the future is in regenerative science. In simplistic terms, fix the hardware and the software will take care of itself.

 

[Contrast]

i miss
@PetitGarsTimide , he would post lil wayne lyrics on the comment section, the dankest reaction memes, and he would also update everyone on MPP on his masturbation habits. He's in a better place now. RIP

 

[Contrast]

 

[Kain]

been thinking about the past too much and now i'm crying in the club rn bröther

 

[IAmCalifornia]

 

[JohnAdams]

It's quite shocking @Manny! And I don't believe him.

If he's worked with Susan Shore up until relatively recently, there's no way he would not have been exposed to her theories. And there's been plenty of publicity about her and the University of Minnessota's research with bi-modal stimulation.

Either, as has been suggested, he's being polite and doesn't want to be dragged into criticism of her work, because he doesn't rate it's efficacy, or and this is sinking a bit, may be harbouring a little bit of professional animosity or even jealousy about its surging prominence.

Individuals in these labs may well be brilliant, but they're also human and are subject to the same interpersonal tensions as anywhere else.

If Dr. Rauschecker is the future of tinnitus research and who knows, he may well be, we will all be embittered, withered husks of human beings by the time he meanders around to a viable treatment.

When I feel discouraged, I look to the US Department of Defense. They are now prioritising the ear. Note where they're spending their money. Solutions may come from any direction, but it's hard to deny that the future is in regenerative science. In simplistic terms, fix the hardware and the software will take care of itself.

 

[JohnAdams]

I've seen other people say we're 10 years away from viable stem cell therapies. What's up with all of these "ten year away" speculations in the medical world and how could they even know such a thing?

 

[annV]

I've seen other people say we're 10 years away from viable stem cell therapies. What's up with all of these "ten year away" speculations in the medical world and how could they even know such a thing?

I think that's because clinical trials run so slowly, so everything is always 10-20 years away even if a discovery was made today.

 

[vaseto99]

I hate normies but I wish I was one sometimes

 

[85dB T]

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Hello CA. Glad to see your post.

Also glad you took a break to do something good for yourself. Hope you're doing well.

All things in moderation!

 

[JohnAdams]

There is some truth to this. Let's say a particular audiologist does not see patients with Tinnitus or hyperacusis very often in his or her practice. It's unlikely that audiologist will spend any time reading about those conditions. On the other hand, if you are an ENT or audiologist in Florida near a large retirement community you will likely see many such patients and be more eager to keep up with news about those conditions.

There is 100% truth to that.

 

[IAmCalifornia]

Hello CA. Glad to see your post.

Also glad you took a break to do something good for yourself. Hope you're doing well.

All things in moderation!

You are too kind sir. Hope you fighting the good fight.

 

[Contrast]

@threefirefour
time to scare the normies out of MPP

 

[85dB T]

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@threefirefour
time to scare the normies out of MPP

I'm out

 

[Contrast]

when will he draw official tinnitus talk fan art?