MemberThe research is out there. There is a lot of it published. That's fine, just let your gnostic overloards do all of the thinking for you. They have degrees from muh college. Have you heard of CBT?
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the reason CBT is so popular is because it's cheap. Pyschology is one of the most common college degrees out there as opposed to biomedical research or any medical topic. Pyschologist get out of college and go straight into the medical biz with their pseudoscience.
An ocean of psychologist are everywhere in this world. Only a handful of biomedical researchers. There is no need to invoke a conspiracy on why there is no cure.
I'm convinced that there is a way to manipulate the signalling pathways on LGR5+ cells to cause them to proliferate without causing cancer by doing something like taking some kind of plant extract, or readily available medicine.
I'm convinced CBT is pretty trash-tier, and not just for tinnitus (just more so).
When I was a teenager I had a bunch of self esteem problems and anxiety issues and stuff like that and was being nudged by various people to have CBT to sort it out. I started training instead and now I'm much fitter, healthier and happier than I ever would've been had I gone to CBT to talk about my fee-fees instead.
CBT is to keep you meek and mediocre, or in tinnitus' case, convince you the phantom screams in your head aren't a problem.
When I was a teenager I had a bunch of self esteem problems and anxiety issues and stuff like that and was being nudged by various people to have CBT to sort it out. I started training instead and now I'm much fitter, healthier and happier than I ever would've been had I gone to CBT to talk about my fee-fees instead.
CBT is to keep you meek and mediocre, or in tinnitus' case, convince you the phantom screams in your head aren't a problem.
- Feb 17, 2017
- 10,400
- Tinnitus Since
- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
Please help me to understand what's the alternative to CBT during the time interval between the present and the time when a cure is finally found.
- Feb 17, 2017
- 10,400
- Tinnitus Since
- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
Are you saying that the only reason uneducated people aren't publishing papers where open problems in the fields of mathematics, theoretical physics (e.g., cosmology), and biology are solved is that they aren't motivated enough to put their mind to solving those problems (without getting a degree in the field first)?
Amazing.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...9964207104/Tying_Ryan_to_Sparkhealthmedia.pdf
The main PDF showing direct evidence Shelton is behind Sparkhealthmedia is done.
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The main PDF showing direct evidence Shelton is behind Sparkhealthmedia is done.
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For me it's just been "stop being so fragile". At first tinnitus was a shock and I reacted poorly, but as time went on I realised I was being a massive pansy and wasn't acting at all like myself. In retrospect I'm ashamed of my initial reaction and I've not let it get to me since. Its still a nuissance and something I'd like to get rid of, but I'm not going to let it ruin my good mood or stop me from doing things.
I don't see how talking to a therapist would help at all from my perspective. To me it's just a waste of time and seems pretty weak willed.
Good vibes, daily exercise and an optimistic attitude is infinitely better than anything a therapist could ever offer imo.
To an extent. Look, I actually have a degree in the field and I am telling you it is possible to pick up a damn set of books and use the internet to learn how cells work. If you think a degree is required then you're an idiot. I switched careers because I hated working in hospitals and taught myself programming and that's how I make bread and I have zero degrees in computer science.
You mean to tell me that tinnitus sufferers can know more about tinnitus than an ENT? No way!
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I am sorry to burst your bubble but that is absolutely correct. Most tinnitus sufferers know more about tinnitus than the majority of ENT doctors. The truth and stark reality is this:
ENT doctors are physicians not tinnitus specialists. They know about the anatomy of the Ear, Nose and Throat. If there is an underlying medical problem associated with these organs that is causing the tinnitus, usually they will be able to treat it medically or surgically and I believe most will be able to do this well, as this is their area of expertise. However, when it comes to tinnitus, most have never experienced it and those that have probably have it mild. Therefore, they tend to give the wrong advice when telling a patient with "noise induced" tinnitus which is often severe. Continue using headphones as long as the volume is low and go to concerts you're safe as long as you use earplugs.
Many people give a sentimental reverence to ENT doctors and other physicians for having medical qualifications and Phds which they may well deserve, in the field of Audiovestibular medicine, but this does not make them a tinnitus expert or even having a deep understanding of the condition. My ENT consultant has a Phd in Audiovestibular medicine and is someone I have a lot of respect for and have a good rapport with. She once told me that I know more about tinnitus than her - for the simple reason she said, having never experienced it.
When it comes to tinnitus particularly Noise induced, and there is no underlying medical problem causing it, a patient should be referred to an Audiologist or Hearing Therapist that specialises in Tinnitus and hyperacusis management. Many but not all, were either born with tinnitus or acquired it at some time in their life. They will have a deeper understanding of tinnitus and know how it affects a person's mental and emotional wellbeing. This can be particularly helpful when giving a patient tinnitus counselling. Unless a person has tinnitus they cannot understand it or have any knowledge of how it affects a person.
Michael
That may well be the case for some ENT doctors but I don't believe all. Look, I have a lot of respect for the ENT doctors that have attended to me over the 23 years that I have had tinnitus. When I was going through a particularly difficult time after my second noise trauma in 2008, it was my ENT consultant who said: " I will never give up on treating you". I have a good rapport with her and was at the end of my tether. She prescribed me clonazepam, advised me not to take it too often and it helped immensely. Many times she has seen me in clinic on short notice. She removed wax from my ears on three occasions using microsuction and I never had a problem. In my opinion she's an excellent Audiovestibular physician. She is understanding and above all listens. It is very unfortunate this standard of care and good bedside manner is lacking in some ENT doctors.
Michael
CBT and ACT and TRT require mental discipline to work. Jastreboff and ACT specialist even admit people who insist on a cure won't benefit from TRT and ACT
Stem cells and regenerative medicine don't give a fuck about the state of mind you are in
the nerves grow back regardless of your philosophical view points. Philosophy has no place in medicine.
CBT is quackery when applied to tinnitus and chronic pain.
Stem cells and regenerative medicine don't give a fuck about the state of mind you are in
the nerves grow back regardless of your philosophical view points. Philosophy has no place in medicine.
CBT is quackery when applied to tinnitus and chronic pain.
I worked in molecular biology for some years. How would we do this without laboratory conditions? Could you write to PIs (professors and doctors who head laboratories) who work in relevant areas and propose this as a PhD project for yourself?
- Aug 21, 2014
- 5,049
- Tinnitus Since
- 1999
- Cause of Tinnitus
- karma
I'm 100% with you up to the last sentence.
I think the evidence that cognitive practices are directly beneficial to chronic pain conditions on a neurological level is pretty equivocal, and some of the mechanisms are fairly fascinating.
This doesn't mean people should overspend learning relatively ancient techniques that are freely available. Some people benefit from the human-contact nature of talk therapy, and this has been studied to some extent, but that's where things get a little more wishy-washy for me. If you have before-and-after imaging studies showing "likely beneficial" structural changes to regions implicated in pain and distress processing, which we do, that is more convincing to me.
The best single book I can recommend that makes a scientific case for a lot of this is called Selfless Insight, it was written by a career neuro MD and it's on Amazon.
It doesn't talk about tinnitus directly but boy oh boy can you think yourself up some interesting trees extrapolating what we do know about GABA function, the way the amygdala and DCN and auditory centers are innervated and related, and the interplay between this and various brain states that are somewhat reliably achievable with practice and lots of patience.
- Aug 21, 2014
- 5,049
- Tinnitus Since
- 1999
- Cause of Tinnitus
- karma
Well, two thoughts.
Generally, consistent cognitive practice can change your entire experience of life, hormone function, emotional processing, etc. So while this won't have a specific effect on any given stimuli, internal or external, it will impact how that is experienced.
Specifically, my own experience is that I can somewhat reliably directly interact with and suppress my tinnitus through force of will, it's just an insane amount of specific concentration and effort to eliminate specific tones one at a time and then hold that mental construct in mind. While this is extremely subjectively interesting, I don't find it very useful because it requires all of my conscious attention and then some. The techniques I have used for this with the most success are not my own, I believe I stole them from some other poster here in some meditation thread. Ultimately I have found them to be an interesting toy to "play" with the tinnitus percept but not very useful in terms of changes afterwards.
There's an entirely different set of practices I do which sometimes correlate with a protracted (hours to the rest of the day) suppressive effect on the volume and pitch of my tinnitus, but this is extremely hard to predict and occurs only in some significant minority of cases.
Since I have been more medicated I will admit that I've been lazier on this stuff in general, because life is mostly okay and full of an insane amount of peripheral distraction, but I need to get back on it.
Agree. I was being sarcastic. Because I'm frustrated with all the "Tinnitus Specialists" including ENTs who have absolutely no knowledge of a cure because there isn't one.
Working with video editing software has always been a challenge for me. However I thought of a genius idea to make my work much faster.
I can literally just screen record every clip I need and done.
This saves me hours!
I can literally just screen record every clip I need and done.
This saves me hours!
That is correct. If a person will accept nothing less than a cure for their tinnitus, then they will not benefit from any tinnitus treatment.
Michael
- Feb 17, 2017
- 10,400
- Tinnitus Since
- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
There's a big difference between being able to read facts about how cells work, and being able to generate new facts about how cells work.
Why don't you create a new programming language or publish a contribution to computer science in a top journal? Those accomplishments are bound to improve your reputation and increase your annual salary!
In fact, three papers published at one of the top journals (over a period of 6 years) will get you tenure at many colleges. You ought to look into it.
- Feb 17, 2017
- 10,400
- Tinnitus Since
- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
Some people claim that it reduces the distress they feel as a result of tinnitus.
I know that something like that would never help me.
BULLSHIT! I benefit from turmeric/curcumin and I am 100% pro-cure.
You are insinuating that CBT is a treatment for tinnitus. IT IS NOT. It is a treatment for psychological problems.
Patient: Hey doctor I have tinnitus, can I get a treatment for it?
Doctor: oh no that's not good. We must treat your anxiety problem.
Patient: I don't have anxiety issues I have a tinnitus issue.
Doctor: shut
Doctor: oh no that's not good. We must treat your anxiety problem.
Patient: I don't have anxiety issues I have a tinnitus issue.
Doctor: shut
- Aug 21, 2014
- 5,049
- Tinnitus Since
- 1999
- Cause of Tinnitus
- karma
Things which fundamentally alter your experience of reality in a positive way, alter your experience of whatever ailments you have, without actually changing the nature of those ailments.
That's about as simply as it can be put, I think.
I don't believe in "psychological"; there's no cartesian split between the experience of thinking and the physical reality / configuration of the neurons and electrical impulses that creates that experience.
There are feedback loops between perceptual input, conscious response, experience, and then future experience. It's how our consciousness works.
Suggesting that you can't change brain physiology at an anatomical level through "psychological" work, is contrary to a mountain of scientific data.
That's all I've got to say about this though, you can go back to being angry and bashing CBT now.
That's about as simply as it can be put, I think.
I don't believe in "psychological"; there's no cartesian split between the experience of thinking and the physical reality / configuration of the neurons and electrical impulses that creates that experience.
There are feedback loops between perceptual input, conscious response, experience, and then future experience. It's how our consciousness works.
Suggesting that you can't change brain physiology at an anatomical level through "psychological" work, is contrary to a mountain of scientific data.
That's all I've got to say about this though, you can go back to being angry and bashing CBT now.
Okay I am in the processing of clipping each SHM and Zenith labs video that claims legal action by big pharma is being taken against the persona .
So far the useful method I found of recording a window is way quicker then using video editing software this is still going to take a while.
Your use of the English language is colourful and exuberant as usual @JohnAdams even though I dislike reading it. I am pleased that you have found benefit with turmeric/curcumin. CBT, TRT, counselling, sound therapy and medication, whether used separately or as a combination can be very effective in helping a person that has difficulty managing tinnitus. You are quite right, these treatments do address psychological problems but not entirely.
Staying on the psychological front which I agree with. Tinnitus is 90% mental. Before people jump on their keyboard to protest. I do not mean a person can reduce the tinnitus noise by mere thought alone. Tinnitus is intrinsically linked to our mental and emotional wellbeing. Stress makes tinnitus worse tinnitus makes stress worse. If stress is not properly managed tinnitus can become overwhelming and a person can find themselves spiralling down, in some cases into deep depression. The therapies and treatments above can help to alleviate stress. Over time, and it does take time tinnitus often becomes less intrusive and for many people (not all) habituation occurs.
Michael
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