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We've been getting a lot of trolls like this lately. Is there some sort of MPP crusade going on or am I OOTL?
Not a troll. Just someone pointing out your nonsensical CBT hatred. I see this garbage metaphor everywhere too: "It's like getting stabbed by a knife and being told to ignore it." Sorry, no, it's really not. Because stab wounds will heal. Stab wounds have real treatments. There is nothing for tinnitus. Recommending CBT/ACT or hell even just seeing a therapist in general is better than telling a patient there is absolutely nothing that can be done to help you adjust or ease your suffering. Because that isn't true, and these things do help people.

And I think it's sad that you guys want to deprive people of getting this help.
 
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We've been getting a lot of trolls like this lately. Is there some sort of MPP crusade going on or am I OOTL?
You're a troll if you think CBT has a purpose and don't agree with this thread's kool aid philosophy?

I've had CBT successfully and it was a godsend. I have been able to remove most of my ruminations and tinnitus checking obsessions. It has increased the quality of my life exponentially. I still want a cure but CBT is helping me to live my life in the meanwhile.
 
You're a troll if you think CBT has a purpose and don't agree with this thread's kool aid philosophy?

I've had CBT successfully and it was a godsend. I have been able to remove most of my ruminations and tinnitus checking obsessions. It has increased the quality of my life exponentially. I still want a cure but CBT is helping me to live my life in the meanwhile.
Not a troll. Just someone pointing out your nonsensical CBT hatred. I see this garbage metaphor everywhere too: "It's like getting stabbed by a knife and being told to ignore it." Sorry, no, it's really not. Because stab wounds will heal. Stab wounds have real treatments. There is nothing for tinnitus. Recommending CBT/ACT or hell even just seeing a therapist in general is better than telling a patient there is absolutely nothing that can be done to help you adjust or ease your suffering. Because that isn't true, and these things do help people.

And I think it's sad that you guys want to deprive people of getting this help.
Where are you guys coming from?
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Honkers sitting at the front row of the TRI spewing nonsense.

Honkers poisoning Google and Amazon search results to make their snakeoil seem geinune.

Honkers run this world and never go down without a fight.
 
@Star64

However, in a relaxed environment and writing correspondence on a computer screen, I don't believe it's necessary to using expletives. I believe it says a lot about a person's character, the way they were brought up and the people they associate with.

Unfortunately this is what is wrong with society today. No manners and there's no respect. I see it played out in TV soaps and in films.
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You're a troll if you think CBT has a purpose and don't agree with this thread's kool aid philosophy?

I've had CBT successfully and it was a godsend. I have been able to remove most of my ruminations and tinnitus checking obsessions. It has increased the quality of my life exponentially. I still want a cure but CBT is helping me to live my life in the meanwhile.
You paid for someone to tell you how to think. Congratulations.
 
And I think it's sad that you guys want to deprive people of getting this help.
We don't want to deprive anyone of having access to CBT you liar. Literally NOBODY here has ever said anything like that. We just don't want research funds going into any more studies about it. Stop lying.
 
You paid for someone to tell you how to think. Congratulations.
Why the need to try and offend me? Can't you be happy I found relief from CBT? I know many others like myself.

Human mind works in mysterious ways. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. It's perfectly fine in my opinion to pay for professional psychological help if it gets you out of a jam.

Or are you saying all people suffering from depression, anxiety, OCD etc should be able to figure their problems by themselves and not pay for professional therapy? That tells me you haven't experienced these problems then, or maybe you're a superhuman...
 
Why the need to try and offend me? Can't you be happy I found relief from CBT? I know many others like myself.

Human mind works in mysterious ways. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. It's perfectly fine in my opinion to pay for professional psychological help if it gets you out of a jam.

Or are you saying all people suffering from depression, anxiety, OCD etc should be able to figure their problems by themselves and not pay for professional therapy? That tells me you haven't experienced these problems then, or maybe you're a superhuman...
Interesting that this magical knowledge of how to help us stop suffering is behind a paywall.

If these shrinks are so eager to help us then why aren't they on the forums offering their insights on how to reduce our suffering? Why aren't people like you that have found so much relief sharing these methods with us?
 
Interesting that this magical knowledge of how to help us stop suffering is behind a paywall.

If these shrinks are so eager to help us then why aren't they on the forums offering their insights on how to reduce our suffering? Why aren't people like you that have found so much relief sharing these methods with us?
I guess therapists should help counsel people for free, and live on the streets broke while doing that.

I guess you would also do your job for no profit...

(The information CBT therapists use is actually freely available in books at your library. Why there's a need for therapists is because they can help apply that information to your specific case. And sometimes a person is not able to teach / counsel themselves but need the human touch.)
 
I believe depression, anxiety and OCD can be caused by physical health problems and impossible to treat by just addressing the pyschological problem alone.
 
@Star64

You are entitled to your opinions and have made them quite clear. I am entitled to mine and will continue to air them whenever I feel the need to, particularly when in correspondence with someone, verbally or in writing. In this case I was reading a reply to my post from JohnAdams. I believe the use of profanity in certain circumstances is appropriate, especially when one is irked and frustrated or just plain angry about a situation, that normally they wouldn't find themselves in. I understand this entirely, we are human and life is problematic. I think most people would find it very difficult to be minding their Ps and Qs 24/7.

However, in a relaxed environment and writing correspondence on a computer screen, I don't believe it's necessary to using expletives. I believe it says a lot about a person's character, the way they were brought up and the people they associate with. Does this make them a good or bad person? Before making such a judgement I would have to observe them more closely and over a period of time. I certainly do not go out of my way, to associate or socialise with people that continuously use profanity as part of their normal everyday conversation.

By the way, my comments to JohnAdams were purely to make observation, I was not offended by the language used in his post. On the contrary, if I was I wouldn't have replied.

As I have previously mentioned on this thread, I have worked with people that use swear words in every second sentence to the point where they don't realise they are doing it. I have ignored it and carry on as if nothing has happened. Surprisingly, they stop once they realise I don't reply using similar words. I have been asked more than once why I don't swear. I simply say my parents brought me up not to. They are no longer with me, and I never used bad language in front of them; even at those times when we had our disagreements - respect was always maintained.

Unfortunately this is what is wrong with society today. No manners and there's no respect. I see it played out in TV soaps and in films. Although fictional they can be very impressionable to young. Who will believe it's perfectly acceptable to behave a certain way in real life, because of what they have seen some actors and celebrities do on screen.



Everyone makes judgments and as I have indicated above, I have no qualms when profanity is used in what I consider to be an appropriate setting. In my opinion, this has nothing to do if someone saves my life, for which I would always be thankful. If they swear or not, I do not consider this to mean they are a good or bad person. Anyone that thinks this way does not know much about human nature because it's more complex than that. A person can have many facets to their nature that goes towards making them a complete human being.



I believe what you say but be assured of this. If I were in consultation with one of those surgeons, as I have done over the 23 years I have attended hospital as an out-patient for tinnitus. If he or she used profanity in my presence, I would not hesitate to write a letter to the CEO of the hospital as I regard such behaviour as highly unprofessional. Twenty three years ago, when I first got tinnitus with severe hyperacusis. The Hearing Therapist I saw was abrupt and rude on more than one occasion. I thought she was devoid of any understanding of what I was going through.

Not surprisingly she hadn't a clue about tinnitus because she'd never experienced it. I thought her conduct most unprofessional and wrote a letter of complaint to the Head of Audiology. I was referred to another Hearing Therapist, who was born with tinnitus and understood exactly what I was going through. Some weeks had passed and I learned, the Hearing Therapist I had complained about was dismissed from the hospital, as other patients had complained.

I hope this matter can now be put to rest and will not be commenting further.
I wish you well.

Michael
Why is poop not foul language but shit is?
 
Imma jump in

No one is taking issue that some people (emphasis on some) find emotional relief through CBT for a physical ailment. People take issue that is called a treatment.

It's like calling yoga a treatment for cancer, because it helps you cope a little better. It's not a damn treatment. Use it if you want, but stop dumping money into it at a research level.

And honestly I'm sick of "Well what is an ENT supposed to say. They have to offer CBT or nothing."

How about having ENTs actually follow up on research regarding synaptopathy and hair cell loss. Maybe I don't know, *explain* to a tinnitus sufferer what the hypothesized underlying mechanism behind their pathology might be and inform them that are current INDs undergoing clinical trials that could alleviate their symptoms.

Show them how the inner ear works. Talk to them about noise induced cochlear inflammation. Show them the pathway for how nerve fiber degradation leads to silencing of afferent signals. Show them the tinnitus preclinical trial data from Hough and Pipeline. Mention Dr. Thanos and potassium channels. Mention bimodal stimulation and Lenire and Dr. Shore. Tell them there will be options, that they will have to wait and it's hard and they're sorry, but that tinnitus research is much further along than ten years ago.

Let them know that otology is finally catching up to other fields of human physiology and anatomy after a very long time.

That they can only offer masking and CBT as means of coping, but look at all of this evidence that we are getting closer to cracking the nut.

....But you know what we see? It's the same story a million times over on this forum. You go to the ENT, they shrug, maybe offer pred, and tell you to go home, focus on something else and turn on a fan. And then you wander onto these forums and are left with trying piece together what is actually wrong with you, and what could help you.

As an aside the only person who has ever been interested in the pathology for tinnitus was interestingly enough, my audiologist. He's a great guy and the fact that he wanted to do more research on synaptopathy than any ENT I've ever seen is frankly pathetic.

At the very least the ATA should be releasing a yearly (updated) pamphlet with bite sized chunks of the current research/science and upcoming treatment potentials regarding tinnitus. That way it could be easily dished out to ENTs if they don't want to do the legwork themselves. The only treatments listed on my tinnitus handout was TRT and CBT. And that was 3 fucking months ago.

/rant
 
Why is poop not foul language but **** is?
As you can see I have removed the offending word as I do not wish to have it in my post. I am sure you know the answer to your question. I believe it is all about politeness and having respect for those that we communicate with, especially when we don't know them. Therefore, it's best to mind one's language during conversation and when writing. Of course this does not matter to some people but as I have said before, it all comes down to the way one was brought up and ultimately, whether they have any decency and class.

Michael
 

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