My Trip to Bangkok: Stem Cell Treatment [Comments]

[Marlino]

He had an appointment july 11 but he hasn't been on here since june 11.

That makes him either cured or dead

 

[Marlino]

I think the main point is:

• When thousands of people die every year due to medical errors, it is no big deal.
• When a single person develops cancer from a stem cell treatment, it makes the headlines everywhere

Well to be honest, the sample size is different. Billions M.D. visits each year vs. very few steem cell treatments.

 

[undecided]

Hi everyone , been a while since I logged in ! Missed tinnitus talk and all friends and foe here
Missed my angels Karen and Markuu , and the guy who's Id was 'justonemorething'.
Hope you all are doing fine xx
Just wanted to share some information for those who cannot afford the stem cell therapy. You can get
Stem cells for free everyday from your own body through UT ( urine therapy ) before you laugh , judge , dismiss
The info , and say ' yuck' ! Please read and research. Read Martha Christy's, J.W. Armstrong, Gisella Schreiber's books. Also read up on Distilled water and fasting by Andrew Norton Webber, and no distilled water is not harmful and won't kill you. I have been on this therapy and my t is v v low, I believe had I been not careless and reckless as soon as t started getting low, I might have been cured by now. I was desperate so I tried UT, fasting, and drinking lots of distilled water.
I know I'll get a lot of backlash for this post, so I'm not going to respond nor read the posts. Do your own research
And make your own decisions. Negative comments will affect my healing process, so byeee for now xx

Martha Christy has written two books, one about drinking your own pee, the other one about homeopathy - all I can get about her is that she is a "natural health consultant" and "medical research writer". Quite the scholar.
J.W Armstrong is coauthor of "Sexy Feminism", can't find much about him/her, only that he/she is an avid pee drinker.
Gisella Schreiber's a real hoot, she's written tons of book about the healing powers of crystals and a another ton of books about hemp.

So yes, you're gonna get a lot of backlash for this post of yours because it's a pile of... poo (or pee), well, semantics.
And I won't even bother mentioning that the urinary tract is a bacteria growing paradise, so while pee might be considered a sterile product (it mostly is), drinking it is actually a first rate mechanism of reintroducing more bacteria into other parts of your body (say, your mouth, esophagus, stomach etc).

Hope your healing process continues to flow
And, yuck.

 

[just1morething]

That makes him either cured or dead

Well I suppose dead would be cured too in a way, but none of us want that. I hope he reports back. More anecdotal
evidence would be nice.

Maybe a Intratympanic injection of urine in the ear would work?

 

[GregCA]

He had an appointment july 11 but he hasn't been on here since june 11.

Not sure what to think of that. I hope he's doing ok...

 

[Vincent R]

Here is the video for those who are interested:

Thanks for posting, ATEOS. I hear the person on the video, Aleksandar, saying that the staff at Swiss Medica seem concerned with his well beeing. I don't hear him saying he has been miraculously cured from T. Actually, his quotes are fairly casual:

So I would recommend, even though the real results will be seen after 2-3 months, so if I would know more whether this works or not, but anyway it is worth of trying.

So it's bearable, it's not pleasant, but normal person can bear that and it's not pleasant, again, but it's not painful.​

There are over sixty testimonials like this on the homepage of the company, several of them cover the same illness. Some of the participants are introduced with their full names, others merely with their first names. A couple of them have their faces blurred, so that they can remain anonymous. One fella is covered with a flag while he speaks. There's no way to know if the stories are real without investigating them one by one, of course, but since the video with Aleksandar don't promise us the gold at the end of the rainbow, I don't feel suspicous about it. Just my two cents.

 

[just1morething]

Out of curiosity, who went to Swiss Medica for stem cell treatment for tinnitus? I thought the thread was about treatment in Bangkok. I see Swiss Medica is based in Serbia. Was @monacco going there or Bangkok?

I see Swiss Medica trades on the Nasdaq market, so you would think that would give them credibility.
Well maybe not....no data. http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SWME?ltr=1

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/spos/company/swiss-medica-inc-11812-50290

I would be more interested in Otonomy (OTIC) but that may be a long ways off and could be dud like Autifony's drug. I thought OTO-311 trials were in the 2nd half of this year.

 

[gotyoubynuts]

Out of curiosity, who went to Swiss Medica for stem cell treatment for tinnitus? I thought the thread was about treatment in Bangkok. I see Swiss Medica is based in Serbia. Was @monacco going there or Bangkok?

I see Swiss Medica trades on the Nasdaq market, so you would think that would give them credibility.
Well maybe not....no data. http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SWME?ltr=1

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/spos/company/swiss-medica-inc-11812-50290

I would be more interested in Otonomy (OTIC) but that may be a long ways off and could be dud like Autifony's drug. I thought OTO-311 trials were in the 2nd half of this year.

The Swiss Medica you linked to is different from the stem cells company.

The Swiss Medica that offers stem cells it's website is here. It's in Serbia. The Swiss Medica you linked to is in Canada.

http://www.startstemcells.com

Do your research before posting nonsense in this topic.

Also if you've had tinnitus from 2008, otonomy won't work for you (it'll work for new cases)

It was @whiskeykonteq who went to Swiss Medica stem cells in Serbia. Read the topic before asking questions!!!

 

[Pleasure_Paulie]

Was @monacco going there or Bangkok?

I believe Monaco was going to Stemcells21 (Bangkok) as have other users on the forums gone to.

 

[Alue]

That makes him either cured or dead

Or somewhere in between and just wanting to give it time.

 

[attheedgeofscience]

I don't hear him saying he has been miraculously cured from T.

I agree. But then again, I never said that. I did not even insinuate that the person featured in the video said that. Indeed, let us not start to over-analyze what I did or did not say. Because my original question was actually a fairly simple question with a binary yes/no answer:

If whiskeykonteq is the person featured in the video, did he (or did he not) receive an incentive for appearing in the video?

It shouldn't require a ph.d in rocket science for a person to answer that question.

And somewhere along the line, I cannot help but being a little skeptical (as my general nature is - I am a financial controller, after all). For instance, if indeed the person in the video did not receive an incentive, then I assume that the person volunteered in the video in order to "spread the message" and hence wouldn't mind the publicity of the content (and hence why not share it as much as possible - right?).

Previously, @whiskeykonteq was somewhat vocal here on TinnitusTalk, but after @Tom Cnyc provided an indirect mention of the video, @whiskeykonteq is all of a sudden silent (even though I know he has checked in with the forum):

Earlier @whiskeykonteq prided himself on being open with the community...

Also, I strongly believe in opensource and knowledge sharing - hence these updates

...but apparently that openness is a one-way street in some cases. Good to know that double standards are alive and well.

 

[Pleasure_Paulie]

Let's all just be a happy family

On a Stem cells related route. I'm investigating the possible of treatment at stemcells21 as @attheedgeofscience and others have been treated at. My question relates to adipose vs umbilical cord cells - is there any point conducting the treatment with adipose cells; even though the number is much higher?

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere

 

[Marlino]

If whiskeykonteq is the person featured in the video, did he (or did he not) receive an incentive for appearing in the video?

Even if he did, what's the problem?
He might be inclined to recommend this clinic but not steem cell treatment in general. For me his credebility would be only corrupted if he either has no T at all and/or is making profit of his steem cell postings here.
I tend to not belive that so far.

 

[Leon909]

Previously, @whiskeykonteq was somewhat vocal here on TinnitusTalk, but after @Tom Cnyc provided an indirect mention of the video, @whiskeykonteq is all of a sudden silent (even though I know he has checked in with the forum):

I understand your desire to get a 100% clarification and assurance of people's honesty when they report stem cell treatments. But whiskeyconteq he said he was gonna go off TT for a while even before the video was posted. He said so right in this thread. Let's just look at all of the facts before making insinuations about him having double standards or being fake.

 

[grate_biff]

It was @whiskeykonteq who went to Swiss Medica stem cells in Serbia.

I believe he went to Moscov!

 

[just1morething]

Also if you've had tinnitus from 2008, otonomy won't work for you (it'll work for new cases)

I haven't heard yet if it's just for acute cases. I had IT dexamethasone injections years ago. Otonomy might not work for new cases either...it's in trials.

Do your research before posting nonsense in this topic.

What's wrong with posting nonsense? Your link doesn't open up for me.

 

[Tom Cnyc]

Even if he did, what's the problem?
He might be inclined to recommend this clinic but not steem cell treatment in general. For me his credebility would be only corrupted if he either has no T at all and/or is making profit of his steem cell postings here.
I tend to not belive that so far.

As far as I am concerned I don't really think it matters if he received an incentive. I do hope it helps him, and I assume he really went.

What I do find peculiar is that a company would post his video days after completion of treatment without having any results. If the video was posted in say, 3-4 months with him commenting that he had an improvement in overall health, hearing, etc I totally understand. Posting that he received treatment is meaningless and seems to ask more questions than it answers.

 

[Marlino]

What I do find peculiar is that a company would post his video days after completion of treatment without having any results

True, but still better than just boasting faked results. It shows at least some honesty like: ok all we can do is to try without harming you. Which is much more than I'd expect from a company in experimental medicine.

 

[Tom Cnyc]

@Marlino

First, I want to be clear that I mean no disrespect to @whiskeykonteq. I hope it all works out for you, and that you can report back great things we all can learn from.

That said, I can see where @attheedgeofscience is coming from.

A video offering a recommendation that is hastily posted seems a bit forced, as it is not necessary to post immediately. They could have easily gotten interviewed him via webcam/skype in a few months.
Recommend is a strong word. Conversely ATEOS doesn't use this term even though his protocol netted him results from a 8/10 to a 2/10, restored his sleep and concentration - which is really all any of us want.

 

[whiskeykonteq]

I think you should stay on TT. You don't want to habituate by leaving, you want to see if you are cured. I'm agreed with the other posters that this has to be a slow process. When I think of a cut healing, it doesnt happen in a day, but it takes weeks. I see this as the same thing, but it could take longer as these stem cells have to reach the ears/brain. You might have gotton the spike because you are actively thinking about this and it brings it to the front of the brain. You are looking for the T and you find it. That in itself makes it louder. Leaving TT will probably make it softer if you are not thinking about this 24/7, but I think this is going to be on your mind for a while because of all of the procedures that you did that are still fresh in your mind. I don't think leaving TT will help right now. What would be cool is if you are looking for the T and one day you don't find it. Thats when you know that you are cured.

I will stay. At least as long as I have T, I will be here. I just said "couple of weeks"

 

[whiskeykonteq]

@whiskeykonteq are you the Aleksandar featured on their website?

Yes, that's me.

 

[whiskeykonteq]

Is there any point getting adipose (lip suction) stem cells for Tinnitus?

@FERNANDO GIL got it for he's T and It looks like it helped.

 

[whiskeykonteq]

@whiskeykonteq - I had a look at the video that was posted. Given the similarity between your patient profile and the patient profile of the person in the video (i.e. you are both from Serbia, both developed tinnitus at around the same time, and also from the same cause i.e. "audio trauma"), I was wondering if you are indeed the person in the video?

Since the video is posted on Swiss Medica's own youtube channel, I was wondering: did you receive an incentive for participating in the video (e.g. a reduction in the cost of treatment)?

When I went for my first stem cell treatment (and also my second one for that matter) I provided full disclosure to the admins of this website (i.e. treatment plan with logo of the stem cell clinic, a copy of my flight itinerary, letter of acceptance, VISA application, and probably other things as well such as e-mail correspondence) so that they (and the rest of you) knew it was the real deal (and not some "Internet story").

At the same time, I also did not provide the clinic details of where I had been treated (in public) as that could be perceived as promoting the business interests of a given stem cell clinic. The reason why I - a year later (in 2014) - disclosed where I had been treated was because at that point another member of the forum had decided to go for treatment at the same clinic (after seeking my advice) and because about 7-8 other people had at that point requested details of SC21 via PMs here on the forum. In other words: it was pretty much an "open secret" where I had been treated by the Summer of 2014.

During the development of this thread - which is now 24 pages long - we have seen a number of "interesting" insinuations about other stem cell clinics e.g. one member suggesting she developed cancer because of a stem cell treatment (but never did this person document that she had in fact been treated with stem cells nor did she reply to any of the follow-up questions). We have also seen yourself being quite dismissive of other clinics. Now, with the release of the video, I cannot help but question your impartiality (if indeed the person featured in it is you). Given your own comments within this thread, I trust you will understand why.

Here is the video for those who are interested:

Hi Jakob,

Yes, that's me on the video. No I did not receive any money or discount for making that video. I have wired money to them few days before my trip and video was done on my last day there.
I know that you kept name of the clinic hidden, but what's the point if you disclosed it at the end? (and 2 people from this forum went to the same clinic). Regarding stemcells21 and swiss medica, both of them were in my top 2 choices. Stemcells21 because you were there and it helped and swiss medica because of price / value. I choose to risk and to go to swiss medica. Also if you looked closely my posts on this forum you could also find this one:

You see, stem cell clinic name does not matter as long as you get live and healthy stem cells and you don't get HIV / Hepatitis or some other blood transmittable virus with them. No one is going to say that he can cure your tinnitus in 2016. You have to read research papers, anecdotal reports, talk with people, and eventually find protocol that you think that might work and finally find stem cell clinic that have that protocol for affordable price and safe (no reported cases of viruses). That's your best bet to help yourself with T. I think that we will have to wait at least 2-3 years to see stem cells clinics advertising tinnitus treatment (if at all).

BTW, swiss medica have it under their detox page: http://www.startstemcells.com/safe-and-deep-detoxification.html Unfortunately, detox might work, but not in my case (audio trauma). So I asked them for stem cells and going to get them soon

Cheers

as I said, as long as you get live/healthy stem cells and you don't get HIV/Hepatitis and other blood transmittable viruses, name of stem cell clinic does not matter. Find one where you get best price / value and you don't get diseases ;-) If I would be from India, I would probably choose Indian' one (they were asking ~ 12k USD for 100M UCB-MSCs). If cellmedicine.com accepted me for T, I would probably went to Panama, etc ... I even posted list of all stem cells clinics and wrote short comment for each of them. I don't perceive myself being dismissive for other stem cells clinics, I would rather say that I was open and that I was "thinking loud" and argumenting everything I said. So If you could point me where I was, that would be great. Also if you have some specific question, feel free to ask ;-)

Regarding cancer and stemcells21 - I also did not believe that she got cancer from stem cells. I never took what she said into account when I was choosing stem cells clinic.

BTW, I can also forward you (and @Markku ) email correspondence with the clinic, SWIFT from my bank, and flying tickets. Just drop me your email in PM.

Cheers

 

[whiskeykonteq]

@whiskeykonteq

Free stem cell treatment for endorsement? Why not admit or deny?

First of all, I paid full price (as probably did all other people that are on swiss medica youtube page). Second - I did not said in that video that treatment cured me or anything near that. Third - It's really, really not OK to post someone's full name / lastname on public forum on internet. If I wanted to say my full name I would do it. I hope you will remove your post.

 

[Sebastians]

Some of these threads remind me of that banjo duel in Deliverance.

 

[whiskeykonteq]

@Marlino

First, I want to be clear that I mean no disrespect to @whiskeykonteq. I hope it all works out for you, and that you can report back great things we all can learn from.

That said, I can see where @attheedgeofscience is coming from.

A video offering a recommendation that is hastily posted seems a bit forced, as it is not necessary to post immediately. They could have easily gotten interviewed him via webcam/skype in a few months.
Recommend is a strong word. Conversely ATEOS doesn't use this term even though his protocol netted him results from a 8/10 to a 2/10, restored his sleep and concentration - which is really all any of us want.

I agree with you. I also told them to make video 3 months after treatment not 1 day after, but that's their policy not mine ;-)

 

[Tom Cnyc]

@whiskeykonteq - have you noticed any improvements in your overall health? A change in T has taken longer for previous patients, however it seems there were some noticeable changes at the 2 week mark in regards to other things

 

[glynis]

@whiskeykonteq,
Hi Alex,
Love your video and lovely put your face to your name.
Thank you for making it and hope your ears are behaving for you...lots of love glynis

 

[whiskeykonteq]

@whiskeykonteq - have you noticed any improvements in your overall health? A change in T has taken longer for previous patients, however it seems there were some noticeable changes at the 2 week mark in regards to other things

Except being fat, I really don't have other health issues, so nothing to report at 2 weeks mark ;-)

Cheers

 

[whiskeykonteq]

@whiskeykonteq,
Hi Alex,
Love your video and lovely put your face to your name.
Thank you for making it and hope your ears are behaving for you...lots of love glynis

Thank a lot glynis ! ;-)
Hope your T / meniere's subside too!

Cheers