No Tinnitus in the Morning?

[Samir]

Has anyone here experienced like you don't have tinnitus in the morning?

I am not sure what to make of it. But for the past two days, I have felt like my tinnitus is completely gone in the morning!

As I start to wake up, I cannot perceive it. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It's so weird, it's as if it fades in and out with my sleep cycles or consciousness. I think my tinnitus is so called "central tinnitus", i.e. it's perceived as if it's in the brain rather than the ears. I am still able to perceive it though, and usually, as I get up and go on with my day I start noticing it more.

Maybe I am starting to recover from it... maybe, although that's probably just wishful thinking. I think I have had it for too long now for that to happen.

I am just curious if anyone has had the same experience?

This is so weird... I wish someone would be interested enough to call me into their lab and study my brain during sleep and wake hours. How could this be explained?

 

[Wojtek Kalka]

Hehe be happy mine is the other way around, loud in the morning, more silent in the evening. But good sleep is always great for the Tinnitus ..

 

[grate_biff]

Has anyone here experienced like you don't have tinnitus in the morning?

I am not sure what to make of it. But for the past two days, I have felt like my tinnitus is completely gone in the morning!

As I start to wake up, I cannot perceive it. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It's so weird, it's as if it fades in and out with my sleep cycles or consciousness. I think my tinnitus is so called "central tinnitus", i.e. it's perceived as if it's in the brain rather than the ears. I am still able to perceive it though, and usually, as I get up and go on with my day I start noticing it more.

Maybe I am starting to recover from it... maybe, although that's probably just wishful thinking. I think I have had it for too long now for that to happen.

I am just curious if anyone has had the same experience?



This is so weird... I wish someone would be interested enough to call me into their lab and study my brain during sleep and wake hours. How could this be explained?

I have it the exact same way.

Also, In the morning when I slumber in and out of sleep or near sleep it will fade away. Sometimes, very rear, I believe if this slumber in the morning is done in a special pattern. Especially if I wake up early and sleep for another 2-3 hours my T will be gone all day. Experienced that yesterday and Im stupid enough to believe Im finally cured every time and finding excuses/reasons for my sudden recovery.
After a night of sleep its back to normal torture routine, where all I can think about is killing myself.

So fucking diabolical this condition.

 

[Reinier]

Has anyone here experienced like you don't have tinnitus in the morning?

Not exactly, but my tinnitus loudness is pretty much always lower in the morning.
Always an increase soon after eating. Breakfast lunch or evening meal.

 

[Samir]

loud in the morning, more silent in the evening.

Do you ever experience like it is completely gone? Maybe for a few seconds?

Does it feel like it's in your ears or in the brain?

In the morning when I slumber in and out of sleep or near sleep it will fade away.

Exactly the same thing happens to me!

all I can think about is killing myself

Please don't even joke about that. You are stronger than this! I know I have felt several times like my life is over. But then I decided to fight it, for as long as I can. I have had dark thoughts myself, and I believe many of us have. The beginning is most difficult.

I talked to a woman in her 50s, a relative of mine. I told her about my recent ailment. She said she has the ringing too. I had no idea. I'm not sure how severe hers is. She has been to psychologists for anxiety and depression on and off for a few years now. I think it started when she lost her job.

She is probably unaware that those things may be related to her hearing disorder. Who is, anyway? The connection between mental health and hearing disorders is not well known even among the professionals. That's the impression I get when I read articles, talk to people and meet with doctors. Why I suspect she is unaware is because she always blamed it on external factors.

This just shows how little people know about tinnitus, and how little they talk about it. I suspect that the number of people with tinnitus is even bigger than what they say it is.

 

[Samir]

Not exactly, but my tinnitus loudness is pretty much always lower in the morning.

Interesting... it seems that most of us perceive it less in the mornings. Why is that? What could it mean? How is sleep related to it? I hope we will get the answers to these questions soon. But I think this is an important lead that should be investigated.

Always an increase soon after eating. Breakfast lunch or evening meal.

Hmmm... I wonder why. Something about eating is upsetting your tinnitus.

Does your tinnitus change when you chew or yawn?

I first started experiencing like it's fading in and out as I chew my food. Every time I chew it would go like "zzzzz..." or similar. I stopped eating and I stopped hearing that. Same thing when yawning really hard with mouth wide open.

But then this noise became more of a constant companion in my life, and now I hear it almost all the time. Chewing and yawning doesn't change it much anymore. It's mostly yawning now that changes it. By change I mean I hear it more, as if it increases in volume.

I think I have had further degeneration... maybe synaptopathy.

 

[Reinier]

it seems that most of us perceive it less in the mornings. Why is that?

Rest? In the morning we supposed to be rested. In the evening often we are not. Not only physically, but also mentally.

Hmmm... I wonder why. Something about eating is upsetting your tinnitus.

Someone on TT suggested sugar level in blood. That I think was a good suggestion.

 

[Mettafort]

Rest? In the morning we supposed to be rested. In the evening often we are not. Not only physically, but also mentally.

Someone on TT suggested sugar level in blood. That I think was a good suggestion.

This is an interesting point. The variability of individual triggers is as large as the causes of tinnitus it seems, yet out of the population of tinnitus crusaders, some may well have diet as a means to control the T.

In the morning the body is in a fasted state (assuming one didnt take Ambien and then raid the fridge in the middle of the night ), which as a result typically means the body is in ketosis and heres little insulin in the blood stream. Ironically cortisol levels are high first thing, partly due to the fasted state, so eating first thing is not a good thing to do if you dont want an insulin spike.

All that to say, if in the morning the T is lower due to the MANY positive benefits of fasting, I wonder what the results would be with an actual regime of intermittent fasting. As soon as I am off my steroids (currently tapering) I intend to test this theory out. However in the past week my T is actually pretty high first thing, which is new - I was definitely waking up with it down at a 1 or 2 initially.

mf

 

[Bill Bauer]

Maybe I am starting to recover from it... maybe, although that's probably just wishful thinking. I think I have had it for too long now for that to happ

You had it for less than 6 months. That's not that long. The fact that it is improving is a very good sign.

 

[glynis]

Hi @Samir,
Mine is really loud all the time and to wake up to it is tough but its blasting hellsbells at the moment.
It's got to settle soon .
Love glynis

 

[Samir]

Rest? In the morning we supposed to be rested. In the evening often we are not. Not only physically, but also mentally.

That is true, rest is good for our physical and mental well being. But also, in my case, I feel like there is more to it than just rest alone.

Sometimes, even though I feel rested (as rested as one can be with this condition), I can feel it fading in and out as I doze off back into sleep. I usually don't jump up out of bed right away, I like to press the Snooze button on my alarm clock and catch some more ZzzZzz...

As I switch between these states of being awake and asleep I can sense that the tinnitus fades away. I think it's mostly noticeable as I fall deeper and deeper into sleep. As I wake up again, I can feel it coming back again. But for a few seconds there, I can be awake/conscious and not have any of it. Most noticeable the last two days. But as I get up, go to the bathroom to fresh up, go to the kitchen to have my morning coffee, I can feel it building up slowly.

Maybe the solution is to never wake up? Sleep for the rest of your life, or until they have a cure.

By the way, I am not a heavy coffee drinker, I only drink one cup in the morning. I used to have two, one in the morning and one in the evening. Now I have cut it down to only one. I have done so for other reasons, not because of tinnitus. I don't think coffee affects it much, but I am willing to try. I will try cutting out coffee completely for a few weeks.

Ironically cortisol levels are high first thing, partly due to the fasted state, so eating first thing is not a good thing to do if you dont want an insulin spike.

So eat less and sleep more? Is that it? I don't know... I am willing to experiment. Ramadan is coming up, so I will tell you if it works for me.

You had it for less than 6 months. That's not that long. The fact that it is improving is a very good sign.

Yes, but it started slowly before that. That's when it increased and became more obvious. I decided to go with that date as a starting point. I have had it when yawning or chewing for about 1 year.

Mine is really loud all the time and to wake up to it is tough but its blasting hellsbells at the moment.

It starts blasting as soon as you wake up? That must be very difficult. Hang in there Glynis!

 

[light rain]

Rest? In the morning we supposed to be rested. In the evening often we are not. Not only physically, but also mentally.

Someone on TT suggested sugar level in blood. That I think was a good suggestion.

Blood work for diabetes was part of ENT's work up. Apparently uncontrolled blood sugar can cause microvascular damage. This may pertain more to nerve issues however than T. My blood sugar was fine so not the cause.

I can be woken up by the T several times sometimes. Not sure if it actually wakes me up but I wake up several times and it is there. There when I go to sleep too.

 

[Reinier]

Not sure if it actually wakes me up but I wake up several times and it is there.

I experience the same @Samir does. When you are "switching" between falling back to sleep and waking up again I can hear my tinnitus come and go accordingly.
Therefore I do not think tinnitus wakes me up, but something else did and the first thing that I am conscious about is my tinnitus.
I think the tinnitus sensation is not part of the unconscious/sleep.

The variability of individual triggers is as large as the causes of tinnitus it seems

Could it be that there is more commonality that is just not yet recognised?
One common denominator seems to be noise induced tinnitus. I don't know any percentage, but the wide majority of tinnitus is damage in the inner ear/nerves/brain after noise. (Often not recognised. The hidden hearing loss).
Even with something so complex as tinnitus you can expect effects of this damage to be the same in many people (within a certain range).

 

[Elinor]

That's good news though, Samir!

Although mine never goes away completely it's usually at its lowest in the morning, with a few exceptions. (If I slept few hours or poorly).

This whole sleep + tinnitus thing is quite confusing. I'm one of those who get louder tinnitus after daytime napping. Other members here have said the same thing. I don't know what to make of this either.

 

[Mettafort]

Could it be that there is more commonality that is just not yet recognised?
One common denominator seems to be noise induced tinnitus. I don't know any percentage, but the wide majority of tinnitus is damage in the inner ear/nerves/brain after noise. (Often not recognised. The hidden hearing loss).
Even with something so complex as tinnitus you can expect effects of this damage to be the same in many people (within a certain range).

Yes, you raise a very good point. Noise induced T is more common, even more so today ever I read due to modern technology. So yes, I agree on this.

 

[Quiet please]

I've had T for 9 years. It is always worse upon waking for me. It could be after a full nights sleep, an hour nap or just after a 10 minute cat-nap. Its always louder upon opening my eyes. Once I get up & move around, it subsides. Completely opposite of most that wrote here. So perplexing.

 

[The Red Viper]

Yeah I have the opposite, loud in the morning and barely perceivable, almost gone, in the evening.

 

[Paul10]

I presume stress and anxiety play a role. The "fear" of it increasing inevitably leads to it increasing. Very complex systems we have.

 

[Dr. Jay Hobbs]

This is a common issue. For MOST, I find that the tinnitus is WORSE upon waking. Of course, part of that seems to be that everything is perfectly quiet, but there is certainly more to it than that.

Is it just me who finds T louder in the morning?

• For those who notice MORE tinnitus after sleep, there is usually one of two causes:

Anytime I hear someone say that their tinnitus (or headache) comes on or gets worse after sleep, it is almost certainly 1 of 2 things: Postural stress or Mental Stress response.

• Some notice LESS tinnitus in the morning:

Anyway, this morning when I woke up, I swear that I didn't hear it at all.

For those with LESS, I would refer to the same causes, and solutions, and find ways to capitalize on that REDUCTION of the Postural stress or Mental Stress response throughout the day.

@Mettafort , I'm certainly open to the idea of blood sugar being related. Without question, diet, in general, and blood sugar specifically, are related to neuron health. I find that these are critical to LONG-TERM recovery. In my research, those that had a "Healthy Brain Lifestyle" (which included a good diet) were more likely to respond well to the Auditory Discrimination Training therapy.

 

[Mettafort]

Hey @Dr. Jay Hobbs ,

I am no expert for sure, but I do know first-hand what intermittent fasting and then later, a strict ketogenic diet, did for my health and well-being. I am still tapering my 'roids, so I havent been able to effect any strategy with respect to fasting, though I am on a keto-diet right now. With the steroids still in my system, it feels like it is difficult to make a statement one way or the other at this point. As I have tapered, I feel my overall tinnitus has gotten louder, even though I am eating a ket0-diet. That said, yesterday and this morning I again woke up to a much quieter T than previous days first thing. However I would also admit that my tinnitus can start at around a 1 or 2 out of 10, and I immediately shower and get ready for the day first thing, and by the time I get downstairs I am already up at 5-6, sometimes 8 or 9, still in the fasted state. That said, I definitely intend to be quite scientific with these eating approaches once I am fully off the steroids and I can baseline.

I am not sleeping well right now either, so that might well affect how the T unfolds from T-0 after the alarm goes off.

Its definitely an interesting domain.

mf

 

[Tony Phylactou]

Has anyone here experienced like you don't have tinnitus in the morning?

I am not sure what to make of it. But for the past two days, I have felt like my tinnitus is completely gone in the morning!

As I start to wake up, I cannot perceive it. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It's so weird, it's as if it fades in and out with my sleep cycles or consciousness. I think my tinnitus is so called "central tinnitus", i.e. it's perceived as if it's in the brain rather than the ears. I am still able to perceive it though, and usually, as I get up and go on with my day I start noticing it more.

Maybe I am starting to recover from it... maybe, although that's probably just wishful thinking. I think I have had it for too long now for that to happen.

I am just curious if anyone has had the same experience?

This is so weird... I wish someone would be interested enough to call me into their lab and study my brain during sleep and wake hours. How could this be explained?

The reason it is more quiet in the morning is that you have not been exposed to noise during the night while sleeping.

 

[Nick M]

Mine is the opposite. The quieter the environment, the more my T ramps up. This includes waking up with high T. As my ears absorb more sound, the high pitch goes away and turns to a low hum which I can totally live with. It's as if general noise does the same thing as listening to static which results in lower T for most. Someone suggested to always keep the ear busy if you have T and this seems to be the best solution for me. I do is by going to sleep with nature sounds and I listen to "tinnitus cure" sounds from YouTube for a few hours a day while working. The one that works the best for me is this:

As long as I keep my ears busy, my T is just a low hum.

 

[Sarah200]

I'm the same. When I wake up I can hardly hear my tinnitus as if it's completely gone but after a few minutes of waking up it comes back and it's almost like your brain has woken up if that makes sense, but once it has, bam there's your tinnitus.

I struggle to go to sleep but once I'm asleep I have no trouble staying asleep.

 

[Bassman1505]

I have had tinnitus since 2010 due to practicing very loud rock music in a small room, but I never hear it in the morning.

I have high blood pressure and take four medications, along with statins. I am a smoker, significantly overweight, and was recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, though I am not on medication yet.

I experienced tinnitus in both ears for three months, which then went away. A year later, it returned, but after another three months, my right ear was fine. For the past 14 years, only my left ear has had a high-pitched ringing, around 7 kHz. A head CT scan showed no issues, such as a tumor.

For the past decade, I have never heard it in the mornings. I wake up slowly and need two strong coffees, and the tinnitus only starts in my left ear in the mid or late afternoon, lasting until bedtime. This makes me wonder if lower brain activity keeps it away. It also starts within five minutes after most short afternoon naps, which reminds me of the brain's known start-up self-check. If I wake up a few hours later than usual, the tinnitus also starts later, though I have not tracked the exact timing. Maybe once a month, or even less frequently, I have a completely tinnitus-free day.

Strangely, two years ago, a friend said he could "hear" it too when he leaned in close. I will check again the next time I see him.