Otoharmonics (The Levo® Therapy System for Tinnitus)

#91
Friendly reminder that this device does not in anyway reduce the actual volume of tinnitus, it just desensitizes the emotional brain from audiotory stimulus.
 
#92
Ambassador said:
The problem with that is the only way to come up with those specific engineered sounds for each it the complete reliance on the patient being able to accurately identify their frequency match. A very difficult if not impossible thing to do. I've been trying to get a solid match for years, I can get close but close really isn't good enough. My opinion only.
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Have you worked with an audiologist to do so? I have heard estimates of as high as 70% of people not being able to do it themselves with off the shelve apps.
 
#93
dayma said:
Have you worked with an audiologist to do so? I have heard estimates of as high as 70% of people not being able to do it themselves with off the shelve apps.
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I have been to 4, maybe 5 Audiologists in the last 3 years and I find it very difficult to find a solid frequency match. I can get close and it might seem good for the moment but in the end I know it's not.
When pressed most Audiologists I have seen admit the ability to match is rare.
My perception is that my tone never varies but I really think that it does. I believe I am somewhere in the 8 to 10K range. I have a home made 9K notched sound file that I am spending a lot of time listening to and I "think" it's helping. I work very hard to maintain an upbeat positive attitude and that really helps. I've gone from total misery to totally habituated and back again.
 
#94
dayma said:
Have you worked with an audiologist to do so? I have heard estimates of as high as 70% of people not being able to do it themselves with off the shelve apps.
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Indeed I've never come across an app that implements the same algorithm that audiologists do (dichotomy/bisect). What I've seen apps do is give you a slider that maps to a frequency and they let you move the slider until you get to your match.
 
#95
The vast majority of tinnitus suffers have disorganized noise and hissing rather than a single steady tone. A single tone could be effectively managed by listening to the same frequency but 180 degrees out of phase - a sound cancelling effect. Very (lucky) few have a single steady tone as their tinnitus.

Any 'treatment' that comes out a private centre, costs money and offers 'total silence' is highly suspect.

The focus of legitimate treatments is palliative and not curative. There is no cure for tinnitus. Treatment is targeted at helping the patient cope with, and adapt to, their tinnitus so that it is less distracting and they habituate. Any 'treatment' that offers to get rid of the tinnitus or claims it can lead to silence is questionable at best, and likely outright lying.

There is always an industry out there always willing to take money off patients who suffer with incurable chronic conditions.
 
#97
Dr. Ancill said:
A single tone could be effectively managed by listening to the same frequency but 180 degrees out of phase - a sound cancelling effect
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Really? So Tinnitus has sound-waves? I thought it just was perception of sound due to hyperactive neurons. Can we cancel out neurons?
 
#98
#99
Dr. Ancill said:
The vast majority of tinnitus suffers have disorganized noise and hissing rather than a single steady tone. A single tone could be effectively managed by listening to the same frequency but 180 degrees out of phase - a sound cancelling effect. Very (lucky) few have a single steady tone as their tinnitus.

Any 'treatment' that comes out a private centre, costs money and offers 'total silence' is highly suspect.

The focus of legitimate treatments is palliative and not curative. There is no cure for tinnitus. Treatment is targeted at helping the patient cope with, and adapt to, their tinnitus so that it is less distracting and they habituate. Any 'treatment' that offers to get rid of the tinnitus or claims it can lead to silence is questionable at best, and likely outright lying.

There is always an industry out there always willing to take money off patients who suffer with incurable chronic conditions.
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Would it be a good for tinnitus researchers to make an oath to only focus on curative research for now on? Instead of palliative changes that don't effect tinnitus. I want to see researcher talk more about ideas that hypothetically can reduce tinnitus. CBT and the TRT industry are filling in the gaps where current science cannot address. I am totally against scammers but I'd like to outright throw Pawel Jasteboff and TRT into that category.

There are people here who are really suffering and can't deceive themselves into living like this. Take example other conditions that are non life threatening like "Lupus" women who are affected are very vocal about wanting research towards a cure. I only wish tinnitus sufferers had the same mindset.

Science providing real solutions to hearing loss and tinnitus should be the ultimate goal of the community.
 
#102
Of course it would be better and preferable to look for a cure but that seems well beyond our current knowledge. We do not even understand the actual pathology of tinnitus. There are many theories but no demonstrable pathology.
 
#103
Dr. Ancill said:
Of course it would be better and preferable to look for a cure but that seems well beyond our current knowledge. We do not even understand the actual pathology of tinnitus. There are many theories but no demonstrable pathology.
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Understanding is quite overrated. We still don't know how anastesis works but we still put people to sleep every day for surgeries. We don't know exactly how Aspirin works either. But it sure takes care of those headaches just the same.

What we need is an objective way to diagnose and quantifiebly measure tinnitus. Then we can start throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and see what sticks.
 
#104
Hi Everyone
Im doing the Levo System treatment, I'm in day 46 and is working for me, is 90 days to see results. Start slow but now i have 5 days with my T level stable at 5 and today I wake up almost imperceptible - 1/2- Have a very positive week U all.
Montana
 
#106
Sure it would better to focus on a cure and prevention of tinnitus but our level of knowledge about tinnitus is just not adequate enough for that.

I would like a cure for Alzheimer's but after 40 years of research, it was realized by the scientific community that its understanding of the pathology was probably wrong and that was why no effective treatments had emerged. It is not the lack of funding or interest by Big Pharma that prevents us finding the cure or an effective treatment for tinnitus. We just don't have the investigative tools or the understanding of the pathology to know where to research.

By the way, we do know how anesthetics and Aspirin work.
 
#108
Sure, but "...we need to focus on treatment more?" is fine but we really have no idea how to go about that. It is not like we doctors have a treatment that we just don't want to give. We really know so little about tinnitus and the 'treatments' to date have been all over the place so they do not suggest a viable research direction. With up to 10% of the population suffering from some level of tinnitus, Big Pharma would be all over it if they knew where to start looking.
 
#109
Dr. Ancill said:
Sure, but "...we need to focus on treatment more?" is fine but we really have no idea how to go about that. It is not like we doctors have a treatment that we just don't want to give. We really know so little about tinnitus and the 'treatments' to date have been all over the place so they do not suggest a viable research direction. With up to 10% of the population suffering from some level of tinnitus, Big Pharma would be all over it if they knew where to start looking.
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Yes actually I do.

Take the focus being put towards CBT/TRT stuff, and put it towards treatment research.
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#110
Montana said:
Hi Everyone
Im doing the Levo System treatment, I'm in day 46 and is working for me, is 90 days to see results. Start slow but now i have 5 days with my T level stable at 5 and today I wake up almost imperceptible - 1/2- Have a very positive week U all.
Montana
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Thanks for the update. I am looking at LEVO also. I just had my first consult and it went well.
 
#111
Does anyone have any recent experience with the Levo Tinnitus Treatment program?

There have been many recent news stories but not sure how effective the program is.
Would like to hear from anyone that used the program whether the outcome was favorabe of unfavorable.
 
#113
Levo is just habituation based crap. They already have a thread about it unfortunately as well as a status quo enforcement that it should not be criticized.
 
#114
I am trying the Levo system. I have looked for other forums for Levo users to find out what their experiences have been. I am on day 5. As of right now - the tinnitus seems louder than before I started. I live 150 miles from the provider - so we are doing my feedback via telephone for the first 3 weeks. So anyone out there that is using or has used - can you provide me feedback please.
 
#115
Why would you want to invest in habituation, levo is nothing more but learning to ignore tinnitus?

It harms the community because it holds actual research back.

Levo doesn't lower the volume
it doesn't target target areas of the brain associated with tinnitus
it doesn't reverse hearing loss or increase GABA (things that show evidence of reducing tinnitus)

It's just brainwashing the user into accepting tinnitus, why throw money at garbage?

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/forums/research-news.4/

Clinical trials using brain stimulation that should reduce the volume of tinnitus that may come soon
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...igan-tinnitus-discovery-—-signal-timing.2805/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...th-acoustic-and-body-stimulation.28022/unread

Clinical trials that are aiming to reverse sensori-neural hearing loss that should reduce the volume of tinnitus
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/frequency-therapeutics-—-hearing-loss-regeneration.18889/


Real help is on the way.
 
#116
Tinnitus is a symptom. It is the result of various pathologies. It is not a discrete disease. So until we understand what the different causes are and until we can distinguish between all of these causes, we just do not know on what to focus our research efforts. As I have written before, with 10% of the population having tinnitus of varying degrees, the potential rewards for fruitful research are huge.

This problem of lack of progress in tinnitus is the same as the lack of progress in other brain disorders - Alzheimer's dementia, Parkinson's, Huntington's, stroke, etc.. We just don'y have the technology yet to understand or measure the pathology. There are lots of theories but very few facts.
 
#117
Has anyone tried LEVO who's auditory nerve was severed due to brain surgery? It appears to be geared towards those whose tinnitus was noise induced.
 
#118
Lars Lovdahl said:
Has anyone tried LEVO who's auditory nerve was severed due to brain surgery? It appears to be geared towards those whose tinnitus was noise induced.
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bruh you can't hear the habituation machine without any AN input. your deaf in that ear.
 

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