- Feb 6, 2020
- 971
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise
Otividex Phase 3 initially failed because vertigo episodes in Meniere's are highly subject to the placebo effect and their placebo group saw great gains (because their previous Phase 2 results were so good). They had to restart the trial using different recruiting and a different statistical analysis. We don't see any of that here because the placebo group for OTO-413 didn't improve.This is surprising. Weren't the Phase 1/2 results more impressive than FX-322's (relatively speaking)?
I wonder if it's a combination of:
- Otividex initially failing caused a big crash; maybe they want to learn from their previous failures.
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but less competition than Frequency Therapeutics so more time to be patient. Is there anyone else working on BDNF drugs for synapses? FX-322 has the Hough Ear Institute pill to worry about years down the line.
- Behind the scenes stuff like @patorjk's interesting observation about Steven Cohen and GME.
What competition? None of these drugs yet exist in the market.Correct me if I'm wrong, but less competition than Frequency Therapeutics so more time to be patient. Is there anyone else working on BDNF drugs for synapses? FX-322 has the Hough Ear Institute pill to worry about years down the line.
The annoying thing is all three are now roughly on the same timeline. If Hough Ear Institute starts their Phase 2 this year, they actually might be ahead...Pipeline Therapeutics is also working on synapses, not just Hough Ear Institute btw.
You're absolutely right. I'm sure they don't care about competition as long as the drug works and works well. It will sell itself if it does.What competition? None of these drugs yet exist in the market.
I honestly don't think speculative potential competition years down the line concerns them as much as the challenge of getting their own drugs out the door.
By "refining study protocol" perhaps they realized they needed to tweak the endpoints to increase their chances of FDA approval.
In this case, how come Frequency Therapeutics was allowed to increase the dose of FX-322 in Phase 2a?Personally I hope it's just that they wanted to up the dosage and as per usual the Failed Drug Administration said no, like they did with OTO-313. If this is the case, I'd come out swinging and triple to quadruple the dose.
Frequency Therapeutics didn't have to reformulate their whole drug. Otonomy is using an extended release gel, so to change dose (if they wanted to), they would have to reformulate.In this case, how come Frequency Therapeutics was allowed to increase the dose of FX-322 in Phase 2a?
Frequency Therapeutics hands down.What do you guys think is the most promising; Otonomy, Hough Ear Institute, or Frequency Therapeutics?
Technically, if you count Otovidex for Meniere's, Otonomy is further ahead (and they have a swimmer's ear drug already on the market) since it would be released this year on good Phase 3 data. But definitely Frequency Therapeutics is moving very fast. Very well run company.Frequency Therapeutics only has 2 projects in development, unlike Otonomy. But Frequency Therapeutics are further ahead than anyone else when in comes to clinical trials.
You're absolutely right, I was talking about the hearing loss drug. I should have mentioned that.Technically, if you count Otovidex for Meniere's, Otonomy is further ahead (and they have a swimmer's ear drug already on the market) since it would be released this year on good Phase 3 data. But definitely Frequency Therapeutics is moving very fast. Very well run company.
Nah, I don't have enough money to invest and diversify more. I would if I did.I read that you own Frequency Therapeutics stock, did you also buy shares of Otonomy?
You're right but tomorrow isn't guaranteed and suffering everyday with no joy or purpose to life is stupid.I'd rather Otonomy does a good job and develop the best drug possible, than give me some half baked drug that might do half the job.
I'm suffering just like everyone else, but at least this isn't 30 years ago when none of these companies or drugs were even an idea yet.
At least today we have multiple companies, people, institutional money, scientists, doctors, academics, and money hungry capitalists working in our favor.
Keep it together people. Good news is on the horizon...
Forgive me, but why single out veterans? Why wouldn't any sensible person not be jaded about regenerative meds? It's 2021. How many years have scientists been working on the eradication of tinnitus? Still no cure. So of course a sensible person doesn't believe. But... humans may learn to fly and alter the genome to regress aging. Hope springs eternal... lol.I'm beginning to see why veteran members are so jaded about regenerative meds.
To be fair, if you read tinnitus research papers from the 80s and 90s it's interesting to see quite a few of them say one of the main causes of tinnitus is cochlear damage (i.e. hearing loss), and then in the next sentence go on to describe how unfortunate it is that there is no way to regenerate hair cells - synaptic damage was still flying under the radar at the time outside of Liberman - and that subsequently, tinnitus treatments would likely need to target the brain unless regeneration becomes feasible.How many years have scientists been working on the eradication of tinnitus? Still no cure.
Regenerative meds for the ear/cochlea have never been designed with the intention of treating tinnitus. They've always been designed with the intention of restoring hearing first, anything else is a bonus. The same goes for FX-322.Forgive me, but why single out veterans? Why wouldn't any sensible person not be jaded about regenerative meds? It's 2021. How many years have scientists been working on the eradication of tinnitus? Still no cure. So of course a sensible person doesn't believe. But... humans may learn to fly and alter the genome to regress aging. Hope springs eternal... lol.
I will say on a more serious note, that I am very surprised, with all the time and energy dedicated to the elimination of tinnitus, that the riddle has not been solved. What a difficult assignment it has been proven to be. The concept of sound... a construct of the mind... that can't be dissected to eliminate unwanted noise from the sound we want to perceive based upon change in air pressure. The most difficult of tasks apparently.
Agree. Vertigo attacks are a nightmare. They need a good therapy for refractory ones.That's a darn shame, I feel bad for Meniere's patients. Hopefully the results from Frequency Therapeutics will be better.
It's such a shame that it essentially all comes down to money. Research for life changing treatments gets held up while some people have more money than they know what to do with. I fully understand that it's just the reality of it all, but when you think about it it's kind of surreal that promising companies have concerns about funding.However, they seemed optimistic in their news release today that they had enough cash on hand to get them through the clinical study readouts of OTO-313 and OTO-413 next year