Parade with Fire Trucks — Could the Loudness Cause Permanent Damage to Hearing?

[whatdidyousay]

Hi all.

I've had tinnitus for probably about eighteen years from unprotected heavy rock concerts in my youth and extended music listening through headphones. Like a lot of folks with self-awareness of their tinnitus, I have tried to carry earplugs around over the last few years.

Yesterday was the Veteran's Day city parade and we watched it for a bit under two hours. We were only about ten feet away. About half of the parade was veterans driving by in convertibles and waving. Then for about an hour the high school marching bands would walk through. Towards the finale there about a dozen muscle cars rev'd their engines, which was obviously loud and annoying. But the real kicker that I'm worried about is towards the end when about six firetrucks were right in front of us and all had their sirens on and blasted the horns every few seconds for about 5-6 minutes straight -- again, we were only about ten feet away from the line of fire trucks. Traffic was backed up and it took them at least five minutes to leave the spot directly a few feet in front of us.

Eventually people started leaving as the sound was uncomfortable.

My question:

-I had in a cheap pair of Hearos orange foam earplugs the entire show with NRR of like 30dB. However, I don't think I wear them correctly as I just stick them in the ear and 'twist' them a bit instead of rolling them up.

Does it sound like the parade, especially the 5-6 continuous minutes of a half dozen fire trucks with sirens on and horns beeping only roughly ten feet away would cause permanent damage? It looks like just one siren from around ten feet is roughly 130dB whereas I was around a half dozen trucks.

 

[Daniel Lion]

If you are worried you can go ASAP and get some oral steroids, prednisolone for example. A doctor will need to prescribe this. Emergency room or your GP, if you have one.

You could also take magnesium, NAC, and Turmeric... many members find these supplements helpful.

Have you experienced a spike? Or are you just feeling scared?

 

[JohnAdams]

Don't ever do that again.

Are you having a spike?

 

[whatdidyousay]

Ringing does seem more pronounced than usual. I'm not sure if it's because I'm focused on it.

Six days ago there was a random 3 minute tornado test while I was outside in an area with a nearby air raid siren and I didn't have earplugs on hand for it and because of the panic I didn't plug my ears with my fingers and just stood there in shock like everyone else. For the parade yesterday I had earplugs.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Does it sound like the parade, especially the 5-6 continuous minutes of a half dozen fire trucks with sirens on and horns beeping only roughly ten feet away would cause permanent damage?

It could. If you get a spike, you will know whether or not it is permanent, if it doesn't begin fading after 4-6 weeks or so.

 

[whatdidyousay]

One thing I definitely don't like about big crowds is pretty much being stuck in these situations. We got what we thought was a 'good spot' by the street. But once the sound levels started creeping up in volume with the hot rods and then fire trucks, it was very uncomfortable to have to wait for others to start moving out first. Now I'm kind of worried I made a bad decision to even go despite wearing earplugs, correctl' or not. I don't have nearly the level of 'can't hear anyone from even a couple feet away' like in the days when I'd go to 2-3 hour or more concerts and stand right next to the stage and speakers when I was a teen, but it still feels like something is up.

 

[whatdidyousay]

Ugh, I was just watching a YT video and one of the audiologists said wearing an improperly inserted foam earplug basically gives you an attenuation of zero. That's really depressing if true. I normally try to wear the ER-20 type earplugs that are easy to figure out where you just twist them inside your ears (or am I using them incorrectly as well?). But for a lot of concerts and the recent 5-6 minutes of fire truck sirens+horn exposure, I used foam earplugs 'incorrectly.' In other words I just twisted them into my ears as I would with the Etymotic ER-20s. I could never get foam earplugs in using the 'proper' way of rolling them into a cylinder and just gave up since I don't wear foams enough on a day to day basis. Perhaps I should've practiced more or gotten a specialist to walk me through the process in person since I'm a slow learner.

Is that pretty much true that you're not getting any protection when you put foams in your ears the way a typical person does with them visibly sticking a good ways out of the ears? I thought I'd read a while back that the NRR rating accounts for 'typical use' meaning most people do not use them the way they're designed to be used.

This is already kind of causing me some anxiety if all the times I've worn foams I'm getting little to no decibel reduction. I've been to plenty of concerts way over 100dB each where I was wearing foam earplugs the wrong way. And of course it's concerning for the recent parade where I was around 130+db of sound for several minutes and around an hour of around 100dB with marching bands and loud sports cars only about ten feet away.

 

[Don Tinny]

Now I'm kind of worried I made a bad decision to even go despite wearing earplugs, correctl' or not. .

We should forget about loud events for life. Just read where it says "cause of tinnitus".

 

[MRItechssuck]

It could. If you get a spike, you will know whether or not it is permanent, if it doesn't begin fading after 4-6 weeks or so.

Oh great... is one month the cutoff or indicator, because mine hasn't improved at all.

First "trauma," "spike," "bad luck" in 15 years of being careful... whatever the verbiage is. Now it's 10x louder than it ever was... well that's depressing.

 

[MRItechssuck]

Ugh, I was just watching a YT video and one of the audiologists said wearing an improperly inserted foam earplug basically gives you an attenuation of zero.

If you used foam earplugs, you would know if they were working or not. There isn't anything too magical... you are plugging the ear... if the truck siren sounded softer versus an air horn 2 feet away, I bet you'll be fine.

The old saying was....if you have to raise your voice to talk to someone next to you, you are possibly doing some damage to your ears. Anything at those levels I "usually" had earplugs.

Good luck.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Oh great... is one month the cutoff or indicator, because mine hasn't improved at all.

Temporary spikes often take over 3 months to fade, however, my understanding is that this fading is very gradual. I don't recall anyone describing not experiencing Any fading for two months and then experiencing fading back to baseline. I will make a poll about it.

 

[whatdidyousay]

Hopefully it will 'fade.' I've had a lot of spikes in the past that mostly did fade to some degree, although this is probably the loudest noise exposure levels I've been exposed to since first developing tinnitus almost two decades ago. So far after a little over two weeks the ringing is about the same as it was since the parade. Quiet rooms have always been when I could very noticeably pick up on ringing before, but now I can hear it even with ambient noise in the room - it's taking more to mask it.

 

[Striveon]

Did your spike subside?

 

[whatdidyousay]

Ugh, I think sirens are giving me PTSD. The spike seemed to be fading at least somewhat a little after about 6 weeks and then guess what? As I was in traffic tonight, it was raining hard and two fire trucks with the sirens on full blast pulled up at the light across from me. No one was allowing them to merge and so they were having a hard time getting through to turn. Both trucks were a few feet away for a little over a minute or so. I'm not even sure how much the inside of a car dampens the decibels in this kind of scenario, if any. Am I screwed? Sites seem to suggest siren exposure can only be a few seconds before damage occurs.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Ugh, I think sirens are giving me PTSD. The spike seemed to be fading at least somewhat a little after about 6 weeks and then guess what? As I was in traffic tonight, it was raining hard and two fire trucks with the sirens on full blast pulled up at the light across from me. No one was allowing them to merge and so they were having a hard time getting through to turn. Both trucks were a few feet away for a little over a minute or so. I'm not even sure how much the inside of a car dampens the decibels in this kind of scenario, if any. Am I screwed? Sites seem to suggest siren exposure can only be a few seconds before damage occurs.

You are ok, it was across the street with your windows up.
Try and let it go...
Sadly, anxiety and fear are part of this condition.

 

[whatdidyousay]

You are ok, it was across the street with your windows up.
Try and let it go...
Sadly, anxiety and fear are part of this condition.

Anxiety is definitely a bummer with these things.

Just like today. We were sitting against the window of the take-out area of a restaurant and a car pulled into a parking space that was only about 4-5 feet away from the window and directly behind us. An old lady was getting out of her car and must've pressed the wrong button and her car alarm went off for about a minute as she fumbled around and tried to figure out how to stop the alarm. It was really loud even inside of the restaurant from 4-5 feet away; not sure how much of the sound the window/wall blocked - car alarms appear to be around 120-125dB. Should be fine with no permanent damage, right?

 

[MRItechssuck]

@whatdidyousay
We're you wearing earplugs in the restaurant ? Why not?

 

[whatdidyousay]

It seems the initial parade incident left a permanent mark after nearly a full year later. I can hear the sounds of tinnitus very clearly even with ambient noises present. It also seems like I can't hear competing noises as well anymore such as someone talking while the tv is on. I've had tinnitus since the early 2000s or so, but it was pretty much 'adjusted' and only really audible in very quiet rooms. I now have a couple pairs of earmuffs and will try to use them for peace of mind in the future.