Poll: Do You Feel Obligated to Warn Others If You Notice They Are Damaging Their Hearing?

[Ed209]

He didn't say it.
https://www.quora.com/Did-Einstein-really-say-to-stay-away-from-negative-people

There's also

I usually fact check these things, but oh well, if he didn't say it I still agree with it 100%.

As for this:

Where do I begin?

We are not scientists dealing with very serious issues, we are people who should be empowering ourselves to make a difference. There is no comparison. You are looking for every reason why we shouldn't fight for this cause which I believe is weak minded.

Either we unite and make a serious amount of noise or we sit and wallow.

Your approach is to do nothing. Why bother? You say. This is not the mentality to have if you want to go out and achieve things. It's clear we won't agree.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I usually fact check these things, but oh well, if he didn't say it I still agree with it 100%.

Makes sense.

we are people who should be empowering ourselves to make a difference.

All of us - scientists, engineers, people who want to ensure that there is a cure for T have one thing in common - we have a goal. To get to the goal, you have to look at the chances of success and also to look at the possible problems. Wishful thinking won't help anyone to get to the goal.

 

[JohnAdams]

Maybe big pharma needs to be warned that their anti-depressants are causing tinnitus.

 

[linearb]

Maybe big pharma needs to be warned that their anti-depressants are causing tinnitus.

Pretty sure they know, since the relative risk is quite available on a drug-by-drug basis from various adverse reaction databases.

 

[JohnAdams]

Pretty sure they know, since the relative risk is quite available on a drug-by-drug basis from various adverse reaction databases.

Then whoever is allowing this with knowledge of it needs to be in prison, this includes everyone with decision making authority at the corporations that produce the drugs as well as the officials at the FDA that approved them.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Then whoever is allowing this with knowledge of it needs to be in prison

It is all there in the small print. The doctors who get to prescribe these drugs are given more detailed information (e.g., the risk of tinnitus is less than 1 in 100, etc.). The vast majority of drugs (possibly all of them) have side effects. What you are proposing amounts to banning all medical drugs = banning medicine (both the Western medicine and the traditional medicine).

 

[JohnAdams]

It is all there in the small print. The doctors who get to prescribe these drugs are given more detailed information (e.g., the risk of tinnitus is less than 1 in 100, etc.). The vast majority of drugs (possibly all of them) have side effects. What you are proposing amounts to banning all medical drugs = banning medicine (both the Western medicine and the traditional medicine).

anti-depressants are garbage anyway.

 

[JohnAdams]

What you are proposing amounts to banning all medical drugs

whoa hold yer horses there mr. over-exaggerator.

 

[JohnAdams]

there are natural substances that are know to be otoprotective like curcumin and EGCG. these drugs that are ototoxic at least need to be taken in conjunction with something that can protect the cochlea.

 

[linearb]

anti-depressants are garbage anyway.

psilocyban is pretty rad

 

[JohnAdams]

psilocyban is pretty rad

because it can hit a major reset button in your perception of the world, yourself, and your place in it.

I am 100% against recreational use of these mushrooms however.

 

[Alex Matyjasek]

Why should I warn somebody to stop smoking? I think everybody knows using earphones on the long run is not good for your ears. If I said ''be careful! You might get tinnitus!', they would just look at me back as if I was some kind of weirdo!

 

[Agrajag364]

Maybe big pharma needs to be warned that their anti-depressants are causing tinnitus.

They will know. Track record of burying adverse events data. I don't like that BTA leaflet that says people who think their tinnitus was drug associated really probably got it from stress.

 

[JohnAdams]

They will know. Track record of burying adverse events data. I don't like that BTA leaflet that says people who think their tinnitus was drug associated really probably got it from stress.

do you have an image of this leaflet?

 

[Arseny]

Who knows what's the safest antidepressant for tinnitus?
My depression is really bad and other stuff got way worse too, I don't see it improving with this noise, but in the same time I'm afraid to make tinnitus worse.

 

[Agrajag364]

do you have an image of this leaflet?

https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/drugs

"Stress is a well recognised trigger for tinnitus and consequently in many cases it is the stress of the illness rather than the drug used to treat the illness that triggers the tinnitus."

I feel this is more speculative than concluding that the drug may have caused the tinnitus in cases where the tinnitus started very soon after taking the drug.

 

[JohnAdams]

https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/drugs

"Stress is a well recognised trigger for tinnitus and consequently in many cases it is the stress of the illness rather than the drug used to treat the illness that triggers the tinnitus."

I feel this is more speculative than concluding that the drug may have caused the tinnitus in cases where the tinnitus started very soon after taking the drug.

maybe they're shilling for big pharma?

 

[Agrajag364]

maybe they're shilling for big pharma?

I used to read people saying big pharma and think it sounded a bit like a conspiracy theory. But after doing campaigning around a health issue I realise that the behaviour of the drug and device companies, the pervasiveness of their influence, can hardly be underestimated.

I don't know whether the BTA receive money from the pharmaceutical industry. Perhaps not, they are not a large charity and there is no obvious influence, But it's certainly possible that they do and it influences their advice.

However something about the tone of this leaflet rather makes me think that it was just written by a doctor who is himself of that mindset. Many individual doctors receive funding in the way of speaker fees and honoraria from the pharmaceutical industry and that can influence their thinking. But if it was written by an individual doctor the advice could also just be a bit paternalistic with the Dr wishing to play down the potential association between tinnitus and some drugs in case patients become too scared to take medication for other conditions

 

[JohnAdams]

I used to read people saying big pharma and think it sounded a bit like a conspiracy theory. But after doing campaigning around a health issue I realise that the behaviour of the drug and device companies, the pervasiveness of their influence, can hardly be underestimated.

I don't know whether the BTA receive money from the pharmaceutical industry. Perhaps not, they are not a large charity and there is no obvious influence, But it's certainly possible that they do and it influences their advice.

However something about the tone of this leaflet rather makes me think that it was just written by a doctor who is himself of that mindset. Many individual doctors receive funding in the way of speaker fees and honoraria from the pharmaceutical industry and that can influence their thinking. But if it was written by an individual doctor the advice could also just be a bit paternalistic with the Dr wishing to play down the potential association between tinnitus and some drugs in case patients become too scared to take medication for other conditions

So what's worse, doctors knowing the truth and being paid off to downplay a drug's negative aspects, or a doctor that's too stupid to realize it?

 

[Bill Bauer]

I think everybody knows using earphones on the long run is not good for your ears.

They think that the worse that can happen is hearing loss. Turns out this is far from the worst that can actually happen...

 

[Alex Matyjasek]

They think that the worse that can happen is hearing loss. Turns out this is far from the worst that can actually happen...

The unimaginable...

 

[Starthrower]

What do you guys do in situations like this?

I always try to explain tinnitus as a result of many different noise exposures. Most get kind of angry and don't listen. I gave up getting upset because one day they will reflect back on my warning and understand.

I was involved way back when with a program called Dangerous Decibels by OHSU and went to several talks to different schools in Los Angeles. The kids were about reaching teenagers and really loved the presentation and found it interesting.