MemberReally want to get this out there and read peoples thoughts on this.
I was reading Dr Nagler's answer to this question here..https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-research.5189/#post-52018 and I disagree with the good docs conclusion or opinion that there will never be a cure for T.
My problem is with this statement.
'If you take someone with perfect hearing and place them in a silent environment they will start to experience Tinnitus!' so because of this statement they come to this conclusion.."So the existence of tinnitus is a normal physiological phenomenon." Which in turn leads Dr Nagler to the conclusion that there will never be a cure for T because it is a normal physiological phenomenon!
I disagree!
Excluding fleeting T which we all know that every person on our planet with good functioning ears experience's fleeting T and maybe even people without functioning ears as well! ( have not researched if this happens in the total deaf person or not).
Which for me at least is usually a high pitch ring with temporary deafness (or what seems to be deafness) in the ear that has the fleeting T, It usually only lasts for a few seconds before clearing up and leaving no trace that it ever happened, just the memory.
T is not a normal function, it is a reaction from your brain to a problem, the same way that pain is a reaction and as scans of the brain has shown the neurons are firing randomly, obviously from some form of trauma or damage to any part of the auditory system, whether it be from disease, loud noise's or some other underlying problem that can go undetected and be diagnosed as an "I don't know how or why you got T".
It may be a so called physiological phenomenon but to call it normal is plain wrong IMO.
The so called Tinnitus that people without T get in a quiet environment is not the T that you or I have got all the time, for one thing ours is louder and if I may hazard a guess is a different tone to THE SOUND OF SILENCE that these people who describe the noise say that they hear in a quiet environment.
I make this statement because I remember before I had T when I valued my silence, I would deliberately put myself into the most quiet situations I could because I loved the sound of silence and I remember it well and guess what? it was way different to what I'm experiencing now and I wonder how many of these people who describe a noise in a quiet environment are in the percentage of people with T who don't let it concern them so are not experiencing the sound of silence at all but actually have T and didn't know it!
My 15 year old son can hear tones right up to 15000hz on the generalfuzz website so has pretty damn good hearing he has been in really quiet situations where he describes it as being so quiet that it starts to be a bit scary, when I asked him does he start to hear anything like tones, ringing, hissing etc he does not hear anything like that just the sound of silence.
Which leads me to believe that all people will experience T in quiet enough situations is not entirely right so therefore the T that we suffer with is a symptom that like all symptoms have a cause that given enough time and finances will have a cure eventually.
Halfway through writing this I decided to do some research on Heller & Bergman and low and behold I find that the study was very shabbily done in my view and to quote this study when coming to any conclusion about T is IMO not very thorough!
This is a direct quote from Bergman:
Yes, it was about the mid-1950s. I took 100 people with normal hearing and placed them in the sound booth for some 15 minutes or so. As you can imagine, more than 90 percent of them heard whistling, buzzing, and other sounds. Then I did the same thing with 100 people with hearing loss. The obvious conclusion was simply even people with normal hearing hear tinnitus, but because their hearing is so good, the everyday acoustic environment masks their ability to perceive their tinnitus.
This to me was not a very scientific study at all , allot of T sufferers have very good hearing yet loud tinnitus.
90% of people have extremely mild tinnitus that it is impossible to hear even in silent surroundings!
I think it is a very pessimistic and a defeatist view to think that a cure will never eventuate which I believe is derived from an opinion based on bad science and a view I do not share at all!
Look forward to anyone's thoughts on this.
Rich
I was reading Dr Nagler's answer to this question here..https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-research.5189/#post-52018 and I disagree with the good docs conclusion or opinion that there will never be a cure for T.
My problem is with this statement.
'If you take someone with perfect hearing and place them in a silent environment they will start to experience Tinnitus!' so because of this statement they come to this conclusion.."So the existence of tinnitus is a normal physiological phenomenon." Which in turn leads Dr Nagler to the conclusion that there will never be a cure for T because it is a normal physiological phenomenon!
I disagree!
Excluding fleeting T which we all know that every person on our planet with good functioning ears experience's fleeting T and maybe even people without functioning ears as well! ( have not researched if this happens in the total deaf person or not).
Which for me at least is usually a high pitch ring with temporary deafness (or what seems to be deafness) in the ear that has the fleeting T, It usually only lasts for a few seconds before clearing up and leaving no trace that it ever happened, just the memory.
T is not a normal function, it is a reaction from your brain to a problem, the same way that pain is a reaction and as scans of the brain has shown the neurons are firing randomly, obviously from some form of trauma or damage to any part of the auditory system, whether it be from disease, loud noise's or some other underlying problem that can go undetected and be diagnosed as an "I don't know how or why you got T".
It may be a so called physiological phenomenon but to call it normal is plain wrong IMO.
The so called Tinnitus that people without T get in a quiet environment is not the T that you or I have got all the time, for one thing ours is louder and if I may hazard a guess is a different tone to THE SOUND OF SILENCE that these people who describe the noise say that they hear in a quiet environment.
I make this statement because I remember before I had T when I valued my silence, I would deliberately put myself into the most quiet situations I could because I loved the sound of silence and I remember it well and guess what? it was way different to what I'm experiencing now and I wonder how many of these people who describe a noise in a quiet environment are in the percentage of people with T who don't let it concern them so are not experiencing the sound of silence at all but actually have T and didn't know it!
My 15 year old son can hear tones right up to 15000hz on the generalfuzz website so has pretty damn good hearing he has been in really quiet situations where he describes it as being so quiet that it starts to be a bit scary, when I asked him does he start to hear anything like tones, ringing, hissing etc he does not hear anything like that just the sound of silence.
Which leads me to believe that all people will experience T in quiet enough situations is not entirely right so therefore the T that we suffer with is a symptom that like all symptoms have a cause that given enough time and finances will have a cure eventually.
Halfway through writing this I decided to do some research on Heller & Bergman and low and behold I find that the study was very shabbily done in my view and to quote this study when coming to any conclusion about T is IMO not very thorough!
This is a direct quote from Bergman:
Yes, it was about the mid-1950s. I took 100 people with normal hearing and placed them in the sound booth for some 15 minutes or so. As you can imagine, more than 90 percent of them heard whistling, buzzing, and other sounds. Then I did the same thing with 100 people with hearing loss. The obvious conclusion was simply even people with normal hearing hear tinnitus, but because their hearing is so good, the everyday acoustic environment masks their ability to perceive their tinnitus.
This to me was not a very scientific study at all , allot of T sufferers have very good hearing yet loud tinnitus.
90% of people have extremely mild tinnitus that it is impossible to hear even in silent surroundings!
I think it is a very pessimistic and a defeatist view to think that a cure will never eventuate which I believe is derived from an opinion based on bad science and a view I do not share at all!
Look forward to anyone's thoughts on this.
Rich
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