Relief of Hyperacusis or TTTS from Neck Massage?

[Adriel93]

Has anyone had any hyperacusis or TTTS relief from massage therapy?

I believe that my hyperacusis is caused by neck being misaligned, and neck and ear muscles being inflamed.

 

[PDodge]

@Greg Sacramento would probably be able to help you?

 

[Adriel93]

@PDodge thank you!

 

[Spiral]

Yes, massages definitely help both T&H. You just have to find someone who is good at neck massage which I've found to be rather difficult.

 

[Adriel93]

@Spiral thank you!

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Adriel93 Hi. Bill B. introduced us a while back. @PDodge thank you.

The use of your mouth guard should help. Because of C1 and C2 involvement, teeth must be kept slightly apart.

Gentle kind treatment on neck muscles. Stretching of occipital fibers by gently lifting neck with shoulders relaxed should help. Neck treatment needs to be successful for complete jaw stress recovery that include trapezius muscles under neck extending to shoulders.

Try to control extreme forward head bending as this throwing everything off balance. A small pillow under neck while sleeping. I don't think your jaw or a compacted wisdom tooth is causing your T & H. It's your neck and most likely occipital nerves that's starting a fight with your C1 and C2 and then stressing the jaw and nerves to the ear muscles. Clenching could had started before neck, but now neck is in control.

 

[PDodge]

No thank you! @Greg Sacramento. You've made me realize that perhaps sound + poor posture has led me to this point. At one point I think you said Very high pitch can come from the neck right? Do you find relief using these stretches?

sorry to hijack

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@PDodge Poor posture causes facet joint and deep vertical fibers and suboccipital tenderness which is the cause of neck tinnitus 83% of the time. The trapezius 50% of the time. The sternocleidomastoids 31%, semispinalis capitis 37%, scalene 41%.

So tinnitus can happen with just the highlighted stuff or with an overlap combination with the other muscles. The sternocleidomastoid more so than other muscles would cause eye, facial and mouth pain, headaches and so much more.

The stretches were helping me, but I also have mouth nerve damage that causing more continued problems.

 

[PDodge]

@PDodge Poor posture causes facet joint and deep vertical fibers including suboccipital tenderness which is the cause of neck tinnitus 83% of the time. The trapezius 50% of the time. The sternocleidomastoids 31%, semispinalis capitis 37%, scalene 41%.

So tinnitus can happen with just the highlighted stuff or with an overlap combination with the other muscles. The sternocleidomastoid more so than other muscles would cause eye, facial and mouth pain, headaches and so much more.

The stretches were helping me, but I also have mouth nerve damage that causing more continued problems.

Thanks you! The suboccipital greatly influences my T volume

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@PDodge I briefly again looked at your history, but we also had an introduction by Bill B. awhile back.
For you from mention of turning your head where T can stop for a second and influence from rubbing your eyes would probably mean that your sternocleidomastoid muscles are unbalanced due to posture. Gentle trigger point therapy should help. I would go to U Tube and find the sternocleidomastoid pull exercise. This involves turning the head to one side and gently pulling on this muscle.

 

[Adriel93]

@Greg Sacramento i appreciate you replying to us! Quick question, has you H vanished by any chance?

 

[Zeneth]

Don't most people with tinnitus from hearing loss still have somatic tinnitus? Would looking into this stuff be worth a try?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Adriel93 Yes my severe Hyperacusis, TTTS and ASD is gone. Just neck tinnitus because I'm always bending my head forward. A lifetime habit.

I have very severe mouth pain from cut nerves that happen along with dental whiplash causing severe somatic tinnitus. The whiplash caused my neck to straighten, increased facet arthritis and disc space narrowing beyond the normal aging process. The whiplash happened with having pressure placed to my jaw when having an implant placed.

I also have hearing loss from a previous onset of tinnitus from ear syringing.

Soft pink music of rainfall or a running brook cured my H. I keep the speakers 10 feet away - both day and night.
I now use iron, chelate magnesium and alpha lipoic acid. Iron really helps with thumping sounds.

 

[Adriel93]

@Greg Sacramento how long did you have H and TTTS for? For me it's going to be a year in February, and I'm afraid it won't go away

 

[Greg Sacramento]

For the last eight years I'm been making a list of conditions that can relate to tinnitus either as single, combination or secondary.

For examples: headaches relate to over 200 associations. TTTS relates to 60 causes. Pulsatile T, 60 causes. Ear pain 60 associations. The sternocleidomastoid 60 associations. Facial and mouth is incomplete at over 300 causes and I probably will never have a complete list for this. Research on this is just so complicated with medical terms that most dentists never heard of.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Adriel93 I write to a lot of researchers by email. I also know a few. A lot of their opinions are never published. For hyperacusis I hit gold with one when I had severe H the first time many years ago. He said to use surround sound from a distance of 10 feet.

So I spent time on an open porch during the rainy season and listened to the rain. My severe H was gone in two weeks. For inside he said to use two speakers so your ears are focused on both. I used two boom boxes and placed them on the floor ten feet apart and ten feet from by bed or at the computer where I spend a lot of time.

He told me to never use white music and my research is also inline with that. With more recent H onsets I use bubble pink water - a running stream. H is usually gone within weeks.

A little magnesium is needed as acoustic trauma depletes magnesium. Magnesium may not help tinnitus, but for a spike it might. Getting blood tested for vitamin levels is important for T & H. Glucose antioxidants might help. Alpha Lipoic acid is powerful. Forward head bending, even so more than infection is bad for tinnitus, H and TTTS.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

This article explains suboccipital region of the neck and TMJ as posture having influence. The suboccipital nerve, fibers and muscles is the most important step - stretching - to strengthen the somatic sensory system.
And it so easy to do.

http://www.oliverfinlay.com/assets/pdf/van assche (2006) interaction between suboccipital muscles and tmj muscles.pdf

 

[ozgeA]

Could you please explain in more detail about your situation and your recovery afterwards?

So much thank you! @Greg Sacramento

 

[Gman]

Has anyone had any hyperacusis or TTTS relief from massage therapy?

I believe that my hyperacusis is caused by neck being misaligned, and neck and ear muscles being inflamed.

To an extent, yes.
Massaging the scm and trapezius muscles in particular, but also jaw and around ears helps with TTTS. Hot showers are good too.
My neck in general is not great either.
I'm going to see an upper cervical specialist soon.

My hyperacusis and reactive t come and go and I believe are connected to REM sleep somehow, so haven't found a connection with massaging improving those.

 

[Adriel93]

@Gman thanks for replying. Yes I've noticed that hot showers help with my ttts and H. What exactly is "Rem Sleep"?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@ozgeA @Adriel93

Massaging the scm and trapezius muscles in particular, but also jaw and around ears helps with TTTS. Hot showers are good too.

TTTS can include input from the neck and jaw 40% of the time besides noise or other factors. Hyperacusis doesn't have a relationship to the neck or jaw, but this doesn't mean that there's no problems in these two areas. Hyperacusis is present 50% of the time with TTTS.

I agree with @Gman in his remark above. If TTTS is present with pain, then start with a massage of the trapezius muscles - bottom of neck and shoulders. Apply warmth before trapezius massage for a few minutes by warm shower or use of a warm towel. SCM or sternocleidomastoids on the sides of neck for massage. Be careful with massaging
muscles in the back of the neck with TTTS - stretching the back neck muscles is better.

Control extreme forward head bending. Use some pillow under neck while sleeping. If sinuses are active then SCM treatment should help.

I use soft noises at 25 to 35 decibels 10 feet from my head. This level of decibels is at whisper level or a bit above. I use a CD of a running brook. Having the sound placed 10 feet away will brake the sound fear barrier, especially while trying to sleep as the sound isn't in your face.

 

[Gman]

@Adriel93 REM is one of the stages of sleep. I am not sure if it's that, but if I wake up in the night at the wrong time, it can mean a spike and all the other stuff worse. For me, it's got to be something during sleep that allows the brain to filter things properly and if I don't get enough or wake up in the wrong phase then it doesn't kick in.

@Greg Sacramento
It's interesting just how much of a factor neck and posture are in these conditions, you're right, it's not always sound related.
There have been a few instances where I have had my neck in a weird position while watching tv and then when I move I get some myclonus thumps in my ear.

 

[Juan]

@PDodge Poor posture causes facet joint and deep vertical fibers and suboccipital tenderness which is the cause of neck tinnitus 83% of the time. The trapezius 50% of the time. The sternocleidomastoids 31%, semispinalis capitis 37%, scalene 41%.

So tinnitus can happen with just the highlighted stuff or with an overlap combination with the other muscles. The sternocleidomastoid more so than other muscles would cause eye, facial and mouth pain, headaches and so much more.

The stretches were helping me, but I also have mouth nerve damage that causing more continued problems.

Great comment! A bad posture does influence H and T. I also have the bad habit of bending forward, neck and shoulders bent. I usually stretch on the floor to try to ease the pain and algo go to physiotherapy. I should do more exercise.

Spending a lot of time sitting at home or work, working with computers etc, is no good for people with a tendency to bend forward or with bad posture...

There are tables of exercises for vestibular disorders that can be applied also for bad posture.. in general, stretching the back and neck does help!