Socialising in Noisy Environments?

Anna_01

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Author
Aug 23, 2018
16
Australia
Tinnitus Since
August 2018
Cause of Tinnitus
Unsure. Suspecting Stress/TMJ
Hi everyone,

Just wondering how everyone goes out in public to nosier environments, like sporting events, bars, birthday parties etc.

I'm in my early 20's am not ready to give up my nighttime social life because of tinnitus. I told my audiologist I was worried and he told me not to worry about going out to loud environments (my hearing appeared normal on the hearing test). He just mentioned to take my ear plugs incase I felt like I needed them and not to stand next to speakers or to leave if my ears hurt.

Do anyone use any apps to track the volume in public?

Wondering what experiences you've had whilst going to loud environments and if it's a mistake if I listen to my audiologist and go on the weekend
 
About half agree & another half disagree among members of this forums about your question.
If you really want to go then listen to your audiologist's suggestions and protect your ears well.
 
If you suspect your T is not noise induced, then i cant see why you should worry too much about noise. Just tread with caution and if you find yourself in an un usually loudish situation then be safe rather than sorry. By that i mean use earplugs or leave kinda thing, then see if your T reacts or not.
If you notice a negative reaction then you will be better off staying well away, Tinnitus is not something i would treat lightly.
 
If you suspect your T is not noise induced, then i cant see why you should worry too much about noise. Just tread with caution and if you find yourself in an un usually loudish situation then be safe rather than sorry. By that i mean use earplugs or leave kinda thing, then see if your T reacts or not.
If you notice a negative reaction then you will be better off staying well away, Tinnitus is not something i would treat lightly.

I'm not sure what has caused my tinnitus. Whether it be stress or possible TMJ. My hearing test came back near perfect for my age range but I know there can be hidden hearing loss.
 
Hey Anna, i'm in the same boat as you, 22, college student who loves going out, the best thing to do is bite the bullet and stay away from nightclubs for the time being. You can still go to bars and such but I feel nightclubs are a possible death sentence if you have hearing loss/damage T. And please, always wear earplugs when you're out on the town, you might be in a quiet enough place but you never know when one of your drunk pals is going to shout loudly into your ears. Be safe and try not to let tinnitus rule your life!
 
I'm not sure what has caused my tinnitus. Whether it be stress or possible TMJ. My hearing test came back near perfect for my age range but I know there can be hidden hearing loss.

The hearing test is good news but like you say it still doesn't rule anything out. Do you use headphones? or go to loud places often? Hearing damage is cumulative and can be done insidiously over long periods of time.
 
get custom earplugs with various filters. you'll find you with 9-15db of reduction you can actually converse EASIER in loud places. It's like when you stick your finger in your ear at a concert to hear your neighbor speak, without the finger.

as to apps? there are lots of them free on your phone. I have a few, and often do check. Once we cross a steady 90-5db I usually plug up.

DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS.
 
Do anyone use any apps to track the volume in public?

@Anna_01

If you are not careful, installing "sound decibel" meter apps on your phone, will only serve to reinforce negative thinking that you have a problem. I have used them occasionally but just for testing purposes. Normal everyday sounds including the venues that you wish to attend will not cause any problems. However, loud nightclubs (gigs) and concerts where sound levels are very high will. It is a good idea to carry earplugs on your person as you have been advised by your Audiologist. Please do not think wearing earplugs or custom moulded types will stop external sound spiking your tinnitus or making it worse! If external sound is loud enough, it will pass through your head/skull and be transferred to your inner ear by bone conduction. No earplugs or moulded earplugs can stop this if external sounds are too loud.

I advise you never to use headphones even at low volume. Please read my post below.

All the best
Michael

Hyperacusis, As I See It.

Some members have asked for my opinion on hyperacusis as they are finding it increasingly difficult to live with. They want to know if there is a way of treating this condition so that their life can become a little easier? Or whether it can be completely cured? For a few it has become so distressing they have decided to only leave their homes when it's absolutely necessary. This is because of the fear of making the symptoms worse, by subjecting their ears to the hustle and bustle of everyday road traffic noise and other environmental sounds that we are all familiar with.

Reading some of the posts in this forum, one can easily see that certain people daren't leave their homes without first checking they have their earmuffs and an assortment of earplugs in various degrees of attenuation, in readiness for any potential environment that they happen to find themselves in. The cinema, nightclub, restaurant, or on public transport. If money is no object aspiring to custom made moulded earplugs for some is the way to go. It can bring the added assurance they will be getting the best hearing protection. Whether this is true or not doesn't really matter because it's what the person believes and this helps to give them that peace of mind which is something many of us strive for at one time or another.

The above may seem a little extreme until I tell you one member provoked a lot of discussion here, when he mentioned having the air bag in a car that he had just purchased disabled in case it was deployed in an accident. I suppose the thought of 170 decibels raining down on his auditory system and the possibility of his tinnitus and hyperacusis shooting through the roof was too much too bear and is more important than a potential life saving device. As strange as this might seem, others have discussed doing the same thing elsewhere on the Internet.

I am not an expert in this field but do have the experience of living with very severe hyperacusis that was brought on with the onset of my tinnitus twenty years ago due to loud noise exposure. It was so severe; conversation with someone at times caused immense pain. However, it was completely cured in two years with TRT and having counselling with a hearing therapist. I wore white noise generators for 10hrs a day and used a sound machine throughout the night until morning for sound enrichment. My tinnitus had reduced to a very low level.

Some people believe hyperacusis cannot be cured and if treatment such as TRT works then it merely suppresses the condition. In the event of future loud noise exposure it will return and the condition will be worse than before. I believe it's up to the individual to take care of their hearing and not subject themselves to loud noise exposure. However, accidents do happen as in my case. I have previously explained in this forum that my tinnitus increased to very severe levels in 2008 due to noise exposure so won't go over it again. To my surprise the hyperacusis did not return and has remained the same till this day, completely silent.

This summer I went onto the Brighton Pier and into the arcade. The place was a hive of activity and many people were using the slot machines. Music was playing and mixed with loud laughter so everyone seemed to be having a good time. I had my sound level meter and also a sound App on my mobile phone. Just in case things got too uncomfortable I had my noise reducing earplugs with me that reduce sound levels by 18 decibels. This was a test and not something I normally do or recommend anyone else to try.

The sound level in that place remained constant at just over 100 decibels. My ears didn't feel uncomfortable and I felt no pain. I stayed at the venue for 30 minutes and then left.

The next morning my tinnitus was silent and I experienced no symptoms of hyperacusis. I do not believe that it is a good idea for someone with tinnitus or hyperacusis (or both) to wear earplugs or noise-reducing earplugs with filters too often, because it's possible for the auditory system to become hypersensitive. In some cases it could make matters worse and cause a condition called phonophobia. This is literally having a fear of sound.

I used to counsel someone that had phonophobia like symptoms although she wasn't diagnosed. This person had hypercausis that gradually got worse and at every opportunity she kept away from sound. This got so bad going out the front door because of the noise was a problem. Her ears couldn't tolerate the sound of the microwave, dishwasher or the washing machine. She even complained of the sound of rain falling on her conservatory roof that was made of glass. Fortunately she has improved.

There is much discussion on this in the medical field from experts saying that the overuse of hearing protection isn't good and therefore discouraged as it will lower loudness threshold and I completely agree with this. I think if one isn't careful they can become paranoid over sound making their hyperacusis and tinnitus worse and I don't think it's healthy.

I believe the answer is to seek proper treatment. If TRT is unavailable then start using a sound machine by the bedside at night for sound enrichment. This usually helps to desensitise the auditory system. Try going out for long walks and getting used to everyday sounds instead of keeping away from them by staying at home. I don't normally recommend anyone to use white noise generators unless they are under the care of a hearing therapist. However, if your tinnitus is under control and you have habituated but experience hyperacusis, that some call: Reactive tinnitus. Then white noise generators could be the way to go. Two should be used to keep the auditory system in balance and set the volume level low, preferably below the tinnitus. This will help to desensitise the auditory system and treat the hypercusis.

Hearing protection is important and does have its place. If I am going to venues where I believe noise level could become loud then I have my earplugs with me. Night clubs, parties etc. I would always use them at the cinema although I haven't been to one in years. Reading some of the posts on this forum people say those places can be very loud.

When I use my petrol lawn mower or electric power tools for those DIY jobs around the home, I always use my ear defenders. I want to live life and enjoy it. Not to be living in fear of hearing a fire truck or ambulance siren coming towards me and I have to panic and quickly insert earplugs or reach for earmuffs to protect my hearing. I just think this is overkill.
 
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Just wondering how everyone goes out in public to nosier environments, like sporting events, bars, birthday parties etc.
Do anyone use any apps to track the volume in public?
Wondering what experiences you've had whilst going to loud environments and if it's a mistake if I listen to my audiologist and go on the weekend

I use hearing aids that has a profile for crowds and/or loud noises. My audiologist and therapist tells me not to limit myself because of my tinnitus, to just use ear protection if I know I'll be in an excessively loud environment. I do have an app that keeps a log of noise intensity; it's built into my hearing aid app. I do not look at that app to decide whether to do or leave somewhere, it's more a log for my audiologist and myself to see the noise environment I'm exposed to so that corrective profiles can be programmed into my hearing aids and/or adding protection so that I can live my life without my tinnitus affecting it anymore than it already has.

I think the balance for you is finding that place where you protect your hearing without the stress of obsessing over it while still living a wonderful and full life. My audiologist always reminds me that stress will exacerbate my tinnitus.

Take care and I wish you well.
 
i don't, and nobody says that being young means you have to do those things. You can if you want but as long as you wear protection you will be fine. For me I wear the highest DB plugs i can find, and as long as i can hear my T over the outside noise I know it is a safe environment to be in.

Personally though, T didn't really changed my life all that much. The best part of my day is still just reading a book, If i want to socialize...I travel or go overseas, head to the beach and read a book there...or read a book while riding an elephant...or at a convent. When I travel, 90% of my suitcase are books...Edith Wharton and Robert Frost are the best comrades, no need for alcohol or drugs or partying when such things exist.
 
I wish I can read a book, go back to school, sleep, watch tv, go to a resturant with friends :( :(
 
I wish I can read a book, go back to school, sleep, watch tv, go to a resturant with friends :( :(
Make T friends and go to restaurants with them =]...you'll be able to support one another through the experience.
 
Hey Anna, i'm in the same boat as you, 22, college student who loves going out, the best thing to do is bite the bullet and stay away from nightclubs for the time being. You can still go to bars and such but I feel nightclubs are a possible death sentence if you have hearing loss/damage T. And please, always wear earplugs when you're out on the town, you might be in a quiet enough place but you never know when one of your drunk pals is going to shout loudly into your ears. Be safe and try not to let tinnitus rule your life!

Hey! Night clubs aren't really my thing, I much prefer bars where you can sit and talk so works for me :)
I wore my ear plugs last night. App said the volume was around 75-85db. Have had no spike as of yet (morning after).
 
The hearing test is good news but like you say it still doesn't rule anything out. Do you use headphones? or go to loud places often? Hearing damage is cumulative and can be done insidiously over long periods of time.
I did use headphones before my T onset 2 weeks ago. Didn't think I had the volume excessively loud though. E.g no one else can hear my music if I had my headphones in.
Would go to noisier bars maybe maximum of 5 times per year, but haven't been to night clubs/concerts in the past 4 years.
I'll be going to see some specialists to rule out other possible causes (TMJ maybe).
I'm lucky my T is pretty quiet considering I'm in week 2 of T so far. Can only hear it in quiet rooms if I pay it attention.
I noticed this week that the 'full' feeling in my left ear has also gone and luckily I've had no H symptoms.
 
get custom earplugs with various filters. you'll find you with 9-15db of reduction you can actually converse EASIER in loud places. It's like when you stick your finger in your ear at a concert to hear your neighbor speak, without the finger.

as to apps? there are lots of them free on your phone. I have a few, and often do check. Once we cross a steady 90-5db I usually plug up.

DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS.
Not going to give up my life :) I just likely won't go to clubs (wasn't a fan of them anyway) and stick to bars instead.
I'll definitely pick up a pair of those earplugs, regardless whether my T stays or goes...I'm always going to protect them in loud environments from now.
 

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